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#21 DarkLite

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Posted 18 August 2007 - 01:49 PM

QUOTE (Guinness @ Aug 18 2007, 09:44 PM)
Although I believe they are a Taiwan product, wouldn't they be equivalent roughly to any brand of chicom "clone" product that folks are raving about for the past year or so? meaning they likely require the same care and upgrade to gearbox, etc to make them as 'reliable' as their Japanese counterpart?


Except ICS's prices are much higher than CYMA's.

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Posted 18 August 2007 - 09:12 PM

QUOTE (Guinness @ Aug 18 2007, 07:44 AM)
I've never owned an ICS so I'm asking purely for educational purposes, but I hear folks running them down all over and I hear people that 'invest'(?) mucho dinero into them and love them.

Although I believe they are a Taiwan product, wouldn't they be equivalent roughly to any brand of chicom "clone" product that folks are raving about for the past year or so? meaning they likely require the same care and upgrade to gearbox, etc to make them as 'reliable' as their Japanese counterpart?

....and would also make them analogous to G&G, CA, so on and so forth?
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You kinda hit it on the head. QC of the ChiCom clones, but the externals and price of a CA. Not to mention that ICS REALLY doesn't like to make their internals compatable with TM/CA/anyone. ICS just doesn't understand the basic principals of building a gearbox. Hence my statment about yanking out the gearbox and hop and replacing with CA ones.

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Posted 18 August 2007 - 09:17 PM

QUOTE (Rapier @ Aug 18 2007, 09:12 PM)
You kinda hit it on the head. QC of the ChiCom clones, but the externals and price of a CA. Not to mention that ICS REALLY doesn't like to make their internals compatable with TM/CA/anyone. ICS just doesn't understand the basic principals of building a gearbox. Hence my statment about yanking out the gearbox and hop and replacing with CA ones.



Lots and lots of people absolutly love ICS invation, ie split gearbox.

The gearbox on my ICS mp5 was pretty nice. Don't see how they "don't understand basic pricipals of building a gearbox".
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Posted 18 August 2007 - 11:15 PM

It's not fair everyone is so eager to bash ICS. Now I admit their beginning as an airsoft manufacturer was less than stellar, but they were the first to produce modernized AK's for mass consumption. Even if their original "AK-74M" was in actuality a late model AK-74N, they worked hard on accurately reproducing the rifle as well as giving it good shooting characteristics.

Why would you compare this to a TM? TM was responsible for the awful Beta Spetsnaz, which in my opinion is a far greater crime than anything committed by ICS. I would loved to have seen a full metal receiver and was indeed surprised when I took my gun apart to see a plastic frame, but I still would rather have had my ICS than an awful looking CA SLR or the incorrect G&G "RK-103". This thread is about the new ICS AK series, not about how you don't like their MP-5's or how you want people to buy a VFC.

And thanks FarEast for providing pictures; I am sure they will interest some budget minded Russian arms enthusiasts...

That's sorta like being ok with the guy down the street robbing you blind because every once in a while he brings you a pizza.


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Posted 18 August 2007 - 11:24 PM

QUOTE (Rapier @ Aug 19 2007, 06:12 AM)
You kinda hit it on the head. QC of the ChiCom clones, but the externals and price of a CA. Not to mention that ICS REALLY doesn't like to make their internals compatable with TM/CA/anyone. ICS just doesn't understand the basic principals of building a gearbox. Hence my statment about yanking out the gearbox and hop and replacing with CA ones.


Erm you ever heard of copyright infringment, if ICS want to sell thier guns in Japan there are certain things that they cannot copy from the TM weapon, the selector Mech is one, hopup is another.

If you want a STAR or CA here in Japan they come without hop unit and selector switch and you have to put them in yourself due to the law.

The split gearbox design is excellent and is a huge improvement on the TM style gear box, the forward assist is a great innovation and its actually great to see a company that is pushing forward new ideas rather than copying a design that is now about 20 years old.

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Posted 18 August 2007 - 11:27 PM

FarEast pretty much hits it on the nose.

Anyway...


QUOTE (Rapier @ Aug 18 2007, 04:12 PM)
ICS just doesn't understand the basic principals of building a gearbox. Hence my statment about yanking out the gearbox and hop and replacing with CA ones.


I was under the impression that pretty much everything inside the 2006-2007 ICS (ie the newest versions) gearboxes was TM compatible. The hop-up, again, from what I've read is superior to the CA one. The gearbox is certainly superior to the CA in its split design, although it supposedly cannot stand up to heavier springs.

I've owned 2 ICS M4s and CA G36K, so I can't really comment on CA's M4 line. The first ICS M4 I bought was utter ######. Evike.com sold me an older than 2006 version (even though their website claimed that they sold the newest version). The gun promptly died on me, had to be RMAed twice.

I bought an up-to-date version (the 2006 version) and it has performed fabulously, although at my last skirmish the hop-up did die. I'd say for a year's use in fairly regular play having to replace the hop-up unit is a small price to pay. Other than that I've had stellar performance out of it, even running with a higher than forum limits FPS.

Just my experience.

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Posted 19 August 2007 - 12:38 AM

As far as I know they still have the same odd cut gears, the new motor still whines and they still dont' know how to shim a freaking gearbox.

Fareast, I understand having to have those be different, but the least they could do is at least make it so you can use TM based parts with them. If you use a TM based nozzle on an ICS hop you get an air leak and loose power. I don't have an issue with the way it works with ICS parts, I just hate having to source ICS nozzles! It's exceptionaly limiting when it comes to upgrades. If you want to get the best preformance out of your upgrades you HAVE to use ICS upgrades or swap the whole dang thing out.

For example, my roomie has an 2006 ICS M4. It screeches MORE than my JG M16. I hinged it open and pulled the motor and the gears have about .3-.6mm of play. That is unacceptable! The gun LOOKs fantastic, so we are going to replace the barrel with a CA (so I can use another hop up, plus it's just a better barrel), the HOP with a Gaurder, Gears with some spare CA I have, Motor with a spare CA, TM Piston, Piston head, cylinder and a gaurder airseal nozzle, gaurder bushings and reshim.

After I do that he'll have an AMAZING gun running basicly stock.

Edited by Rapier, 19 August 2007 - 12:39 AM.

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Posted 19 August 2007 - 12:57 AM

Sounds pretty much like what I do to my Tokyo Marui's..... in fact its got to the point now where I buy the gear box and then build the gun from scratch!

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Posted 19 August 2007 - 07:10 PM

yikers...didn't want to incite an ICS flame unsure.gif

Thanks for the great data though guys- I will keep ICS in mind in the future biggrin.gif








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Posted 20 August 2007 - 01:38 AM

QUOTE (FarEast @ Aug 18 2007, 06:57 PM)
Sounds pretty much like what I do to my Tokyo Marui's..... in fact its got to the point now where I buy the gear box and then build the gun from scratch!



I just leave my TM's stock and let them run forever. If I want a high power gun I get a CA. For example, my roomies TM G3SG1 is about 4 years old and has never been opened up and will run just as well as anything else on the field.

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