snorkelman Posted October 18, 2007 Report Share Posted October 18, 2007 yep theres going to be an export co2 mag version = even more expensive pseudo-regulated mags. No indication of wether the co2 version will have anymore performance heavier bolt stronger recoil spring etc or just regulated down to around 134a levels to provide same performance/wear rate with less cooldown Link to post Share on other sites
BigAl Posted October 18, 2007 Report Share Posted October 18, 2007 CO2 with three round burst sound's like fun. Link to post Share on other sites
Spedz Posted October 19, 2007 Report Share Posted October 19, 2007 No, its performance im worried about, it could be my dream gun(hk21) and if it didnt perform then i would look the other way without shedding a tear. Plus that would make me a hypocrite because my gbb primary(mp5) is made as a aeg Ah sorry. I misread you previous post. Sorry, it's a M4 with thermold mags then. Kinda missed the point of Magsz' post didn't you? Link to post Share on other sites
Surreel Big Fish Posted October 20, 2007 Report Share Posted October 20, 2007 Kinda missed the point of Magsz' post didn't you? Yeah, I was kinda drunk so it went straight over my head. Link to post Share on other sites
Onerimeuse Posted October 20, 2007 Report Share Posted October 20, 2007 I just love this gun already for it's realistic looking internals. I love that it'll load with the charging handle and the lack of ability to do that with my AEG just erks me. I hope this piece performs well, because I can't wait to actually rack a round into the chamber while laying under heavy suppressive fire, those are the airsoft moments i live for. I guess I'm rooting for TK, if only for hopes sake. The c02 mags sound promising though. My c02 Uzi would be a piece I'd use more often if only it were more loadout-able. the recoil is amazing, and the ROF and Accuracy are great for it's size, so i can only imagine a bigger piece working as well if not better. Link to post Share on other sites
Sale Posted October 22, 2007 Report Share Posted October 22, 2007 I don't see why the CO2 mags would be more expensive. In the case of KWC, the CO2 mags are actually cheaper than their liquid charge counterparts. -Sale Link to post Share on other sites
Shinden Posted October 22, 2007 Report Share Posted October 22, 2007 It would be expensive because CO2 magazines will require a stronger valve and o-rings to work effectively. Link to post Share on other sites
Sale Posted October 23, 2007 Report Share Posted October 23, 2007 Well how does KWC pull it off then? The CO2 magazines for their pistols and the Mini Uzi are in an acceptable price level. -Sale Link to post Share on other sites
Shinden Posted October 23, 2007 Report Share Posted October 23, 2007 Reverse engineering. KWC make thier guns work for high powered guns and mass produce the CO2 models compared to having them make more smaller parts for the low powered gases. Link to post Share on other sites
Lt.Fenix Posted October 26, 2007 Report Share Posted October 26, 2007 That's not reverse engineering. It's an entirely different thing from how you used that term. What you described is more like backwards compatibility. By the way I doubt the CO2 mags will be that much more expensive than their green gas counterparts... stronger valves and o-rings wouldn't add that much more to the cost. Also, expanding upon Sale's arugment, I remember someone saying in CA.net that TK is going to outsource the production for his GBB rifles to a Tawianese company... and KWC is a Taiwanese company... so you see what I'm saying. Link to post Share on other sites
snorkelman Posted October 27, 2007 Report Share Posted October 27, 2007 green gas mag empty vesell with a release valve at top and fill valve at bottom co2 mag empty vessel with a release valve at top, an internal chamber that acts as a small reservoir for gas vapour, a heavy duty restricing valve and caplet peircer to feed that smaller chamber plus a secondary chamber for holding the caplet and a caplet retaining screw for the bottom of the mag. the two designs are different if one is made in quantity its price per unit goes down far more quickly over one thats made in small runs. Link to post Share on other sites
biguk Posted November 20, 2007 Report Share Posted November 20, 2007 H.y guys sorry to bring back this thread. Does anyone know whats happened with these. Even the Tanio Koba website doesn't mention them? I can imagine they'd be mega expensive but id buy one any day. Link to post Share on other sites
IronWolf Posted November 20, 2007 Report Share Posted November 20, 2007 <snip> Even the Tanio Koba website doesn't mention them? </snip> Yes it does, click here. Oh and, metal thermold mags??? Link to post Share on other sites
biguk Posted November 20, 2007 Report Share Posted November 20, 2007 So it does, i must have been lost in translation. Its still in development by the looks of things. Shame i wanna get one if i can Link to post Share on other sites
scithe Posted November 20, 2007 Report Share Posted November 20, 2007 hmm.... link doesnt work for me. any idea when it will be out? Link to post Share on other sites
Magsz Posted November 21, 2007 Report Share Posted November 21, 2007 Search people, search. Summer of 08. Link to post Share on other sites
afozy Posted November 25, 2007 Report Share Posted November 25, 2007 any word on the western arms m4 and how it may compare to the tk ? Link to post Share on other sites
Magsz Posted November 25, 2007 Report Share Posted November 25, 2007 I dont think the WA m4 is out yet in Japan. Link to post Share on other sites
scithe Posted November 25, 2007 Report Share Posted November 25, 2007 i can bet the tk will be better. if you think about it, wa has tried with their mini uzi which was not that great, plus kobayashi is known for his expertise on the subject of gbb's... o, and the tk will have a metal receiver. Link to post Share on other sites
BaBaBooey Posted November 25, 2007 Report Share Posted November 25, 2007 i can bet the tk will be better. if you think about it, wa has tried with their mini uzi which was not that great, plus kobayashi is known for his expertise on the subject of gbb's... o, and the tk will have a metal receiver. Koba has as many busts along with his successes; same can be said for WA. Just because it is coming from Koba, does not necessarily make a winner. Also, stopped by the WA Shibuya store the other day and they no longer comment on when it will be released or how much it will cost (not even an estimate). All they will confirm is that it will be release...someday. Link to post Share on other sites
Magsz Posted November 25, 2007 Report Share Posted November 25, 2007 Koba has as many busts along with his successes; same can be said for WA. Just because it is coming from Koba, does not necessarily make a winner. Also, stopped by the WA Shibuya store the other day and they no longer comment on when it will be released or how much it will cost (not even an estimate). All they will confirm is that it will be release...someday. Thats...disconcerting... Link to post Share on other sites
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