happy.al Posted June 16, 2008 Report Share Posted June 16, 2008 Hello, Some more exciting news from Justin/Dayontonagun. He has now completed all the work needed in order to convert a AEG M16/M4 into a Sun Project style rifle, please see this thread for full details, including ordering Price for this batch is now fixed at US$850 including shipping, which is a simply great deal. http://www.arniesairsoft.co.uk/forums/inde...howtopic=144334 As he has now finished this work he has asked me to find out what other AEG guns people would like to see converted in the same manner. He says it’ll be possible to convert pretty much any metal bodied AEG to use a similar style system, he’s wants to see what demand is like for each gun. He’s also looking for any other type of feedback, i.e. if you can think of an improvement which can be made to the system please comment and Justin will see if it’s possible. My suggestion is for a AK style gun. Link to post Share on other sites
IronWolf Posted June 16, 2008 Report Share Posted June 16, 2008 AK style gun would be a crowd pleaser. I'd like to see a SCAR or CA SA58 personally. Link to post Share on other sites
catfishsalesco Posted June 16, 2008 Report Share Posted June 16, 2008 G3! Although I do realize that they are not as popular in the airsoft world as say, an AK. A Sig 55X series gun would be rather nice as well, although it would probably be worth waiting for ICS to release their line of them, as they will be coming with a metal body stock. Link to post Share on other sites
Wupjak Posted June 16, 2008 Report Share Posted June 16, 2008 M14 or FN-FAL As for feedback, since a new body style will require a complete re-engineering anyway (rather than using the existing SP16 layout) how about a real AEG hop up in lieu of the SP/Escort style? Link to post Share on other sites
Inq Eisenhorn Posted June 16, 2008 Report Share Posted June 16, 2008 I'd love to see a SCAR done this way!! I can understand peoples desire for AKs, and perhaps theres no reason (other than staff) that he couldn't do an AK internal rebuild program....but I'd love to be able to send him (or buy from him) a Dboys SCAR with the internal modification. I say Dboys, because they are the cheapest bodied SCAR on the market at the moment.....VFC or STAR (or even G&G) would make the price pretty steep I'd guess.....so thank god for Dboys. Personally, I'd pay Daytonagun the money for a SCAR H in sniper format (single shot) with GBB internals, and that would have to be based on either a VFC or STAR....but hell, with a decent report, awesome range, and a kick like a mule...it'd be worth every penny. So theres my wish list: SCAR L or SCAR H Link to post Share on other sites
Panzergraf Posted June 16, 2008 Report Share Posted June 16, 2008 G36! Escort MP5 internals could very well be converted to fit, and even though it's not a full metal gun, an internal steel frame should be possible. Link to post Share on other sites
Catman Posted June 16, 2008 Report Share Posted June 16, 2008 AK for me Link to post Share on other sites
my_plague_666 Posted June 16, 2008 Report Share Posted June 16, 2008 without a doubt AK simply because i'm an AK nut. that said, for sheer awesomeness a blowback M14 comes a close second. imagine hooking a TM M14 bolt up to an escort system *drools* Link to post Share on other sites
Magsz Posted June 16, 2008 Report Share Posted June 16, 2008 AK, AK and then maybe an AK. If it is done id like it done right, ie full length heavy *albatross* bolt. I would also like it to be compatible with typical AEG or a modified strengthened AEG hopup. Link to post Share on other sites
davidson Posted June 16, 2008 Report Share Posted June 16, 2008 An Aug would be nice. Link to post Share on other sites
Puding Posted June 16, 2008 Report Share Posted June 16, 2008 1st AK 2nd m14 Link to post Share on other sites
ollie_ty Posted June 16, 2008 Report Share Posted June 16, 2008 G36! Oh HELL YEAH! Link to post Share on other sites
Royal-Air-Force Posted June 16, 2008 Report Share Posted June 16, 2008 He says it’ll be possible to convert pretty much any metal bodied AEG to use a similar style system I love all the suggestions for AUG's and G36's (I'd love one myself) but aren't we missing ^^this^^ little bit of information? I vote for a decent AK. Probably just an AK47, none of this silly AK-74SUYEDSB (lawl) stuff. *Puts on flamecoat in wait of AK fanboys* Rich. Link to post Share on other sites
Azulsky Posted June 16, 2008 Report Share Posted June 16, 2008 AK or m14 I want some nice external bolt sexah time Link to post Share on other sites
TDS Posted June 16, 2008 Report Share Posted June 16, 2008 I love all the suggestions for AUG's and G36's (I'd love one myself) but aren't we missing ^^this^^ little bit of information? I vote for a decent AK. Probably just an AK47, none of this silly AK-74SUYEDSB (lawl) stuff. There was someone who transplanted SP internals into a G36 so it is plenty possible, the fears of the plastic body cracking under stress were completely unfounded. Link to post Share on other sites
snorkelman Posted June 16, 2008 Report Share Posted June 16, 2008 clones are evil! intellectual property rights! 'poor' tokyo marui! light the torches! polish the pitchforks! someones cloning the products of near bankrupt small japanese companies hurrah!! oh the ironing you couldnt make it up Link to post Share on other sites
T0p Sp!N Posted June 16, 2008 Report Share Posted June 16, 2008 Something semi-auto with a heavy bolt and mild kick, maybe... So, M14 would be nice. :thumbs-up: Link to post Share on other sites
my_plague_666 Posted June 16, 2008 Report Share Posted June 16, 2008 I vote for a decent AK. Probably just an AK47, none of this silly AK-74SUYEDSB (lawl) stuff. *Puts on flamecoat in wait of AK fanboys* Rich. you realise the system would fit ALL AK varients, he doesnt seem to be putting a particular gun into production, more modifying the shell you tell him to/send him. as far as i can see, this is more about which gun the gas system should next be adapted to fit. Link to post Share on other sites
Harvahammas Posted June 16, 2008 Report Share Posted June 16, 2008 AK would be a killer. + Escort already made small patch gbb ak's so you don't need to re-invent wheel again Link to post Share on other sites
snorkelman Posted June 16, 2008 Report Share Posted June 16, 2008 to be honest if he was going to do an AK he'd be as well pursuing the gearbox route he'd hardly be gaining a lot of bolt throw making it AK specific (certainly not enough to make the amount of bolt travel realistic either way) from a strictly economic POV though then 750 for a set of internals for an AK or 850 for a complete one would probably be more digestible to the target market than 750 for a set of bits built into a gearbox (given escort used to charge 1500 or so for an AK build but were claiming a target of 200 for their gearbox) Link to post Share on other sites
Skarclaw Posted June 16, 2008 Report Share Posted June 16, 2008 Ok, it may not be out yet, but the real sword svd. I wouldn't be albe to afford it anyway so I gues my suggestion is moot. Tommy gun would be cool though. Link to post Share on other sites
my_plague_666 Posted June 16, 2008 Report Share Posted June 16, 2008 while i would definitely put AK ahead of an SVD (plus i reckon it would be more sensible, there'd be a lot more appeal for an AK),but i think a GBB conversion for the upcoming RS SVD or even the existing KA/AtoZ one would be AWESOME. Link to post Share on other sites
Inq Eisenhorn Posted June 16, 2008 Report Share Posted June 16, 2008 To be fair, I think if Daytonagun wants to do this as a business venture, sure he could do a standard set of rifles...like the M4/M16 and the AK series....but at the same time, offer for those who didn't want run of the mill weaponry, the opportunity to pay a few extra $ and get the rifle of their choice. The AK crowd have been very vocal on this thread, and fair play to them....don't ask, don't get! However, two things are likely to happen if he does go and produce AK series rifles....1) possibly alot of people who shouted for it won't buy it, and 2) people will do the old #yawn# thing and criticise him for doing the same old same old.... I guess at the end of the day, you can't please everyone...so why try. If Daytonagun has worked out a way of doing this reliably, then it should be adaptable for every rifle type out there, correct? so why not even consider just doing on a customer by customer basis? Link to post Share on other sites
InexcelsisDeo Posted June 16, 2008 Report Share Posted June 16, 2008 tavor! lol jk but i rather see an AK than just another m16 Link to post Share on other sites
snorkelman Posted June 16, 2008 Report Share Posted June 16, 2008 trouble is that while the escort blow back unit is relatively simple (once you've broken the back of adequate machining facilities etc to produce it) the design isnt directly adaptable to multiple guns - at very least you need to redimension parts of the blowback mech itself then you need to adapt fire control parts to suit a particular weapon, where its fire select is situated in relation to the tigger and the bolt, how its fireselect works (rotate clockwise or anti clokwise, push thru rather than rotate?), what order its firing modes are in (safe-semi-auto or safe-auto-semi) etc then you need to shoehorn the lot into a gun, sort out where and how you'll secure the chamber, how you'll provide hop adjustment where to locate the recoil spring (behind the bolt/above the bolt/around the bolt?) then you've got position of the barrel in the receiver (up high or down low) that can impact on available space for firecontrol group and where the AEG manufacs have placed the BB feed - near front of the mag or near rear of it etc thats a tall order to expect anyone to fulfill on basis of an all comers any gun you please type approach - particularly someone who untill now has traditionally been selling high end upgrade parts to existing SP owners (where the dollar price per part chargeable has been relatively high and the only competition at all has been similarly priced but far lower quality parts (and excuses) suplied by AS4L - usually on days that dont have a Y in them, 6 months to 2 years after they said they would in a different config from ordered etc Impossible ? no nothings impossible if you've got the dough lol ..but more likely than doing somethign a bit more controlled where he can get multiple sales for X amount of development effort? Not really. Id hazard a guess theres more folks likely to sign up for an AK than any single other 'new' project in the short to middle term at the price point he's pitching things at, given a fair number of SP and YE owners have sought an AK to add to their collection of escort based guns. They being folks who tend to have a willingess to cheerfully spend the sorts of dough being asked, who know what to expect (and not to expect) from the system etc Link to post Share on other sites
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