Horsem4n Posted July 29, 2009 Author Report Share Posted July 29, 2009 i think its redonkulously underpowered because of the mechanism and plastic piston. being the fact that it looks like the piston rides the gears back and forth, its cant be good for the mech to have a strong spring. and they may not want to make it unaffordable by including a metal piston. the gun is bound to be high quality on the outside though. lets just hope it has a nice enough hop to send, atleast, .2g BBs 60 feet, 100 being ideal. Link to post Share on other sites
Pip_Bernadotte Posted July 29, 2009 Report Share Posted July 29, 2009 aparently, KTW wants to wip out a new, unorthidox, gat... O.o FEAST YOUR EYES!!!!!! not that strong being .4j, but hopefully they are cheap so i can stuff my pants full of them. from the pics, it looks to have a way to adjust hop up, via the hole in the top of the chamber. the ram rod acts as the mag, which is alright in my book, but it means that reloading isnt simple. the hammer appears to draw a piston back and (maybe) setting the flint in the forward position could be a safety? the gears are metal, but the whole box is plastic, which is a bit of a disappointment. but hell, could still be a pre production prototype. id definitely consider one if it isnt expensive. but since when is KTW affordable? i just want to shove one in my pants and yell some pirate one liners... O.o... how bout double barreled versions next? source: http://airsoft-news.eu/comment.php?comment.news.3492 Reminds me of my friends custom Gas flintlock Link to post Share on other sites
sandstorm Posted July 29, 2009 Report Share Posted July 29, 2009 Hmm, theres been a thread or dozen here over time about what people wanted, and one of the top contenders has always been a flintlock. Seems like KTW has had an ear on the ground. Don't know about overpriced, though, if the gears and spring can take the use, then this whole thing is going to be pretty innovative for a springer. Going to have to see what the price point will be. Link to post Share on other sites
Treadhead Posted July 29, 2009 Report Share Posted July 29, 2009 Am seeing some absolutely crazy expectations here... Lets face it guys, it's gonna a be extremely low powered and If it can drive a BB to 50' I'd be extremely surprised... Take it for what it is a fun novelty pistol with some pretty sever limitations due to the design of the original - the piston stroke would appear to be about 1" after all... Link to post Share on other sites
ED-SKaR Posted July 29, 2009 Report Share Posted July 29, 2009 I urge you all to take a close look at those cogs. They are not attached to the hammer, they are attached to the TRIGGER. How on earth is this thing going to work!!! (i might get it and stick in a gas mech.) Link to post Share on other sites
RC-1138 Posted July 29, 2009 Report Share Posted July 29, 2009 I urge you all to take a close look at those cogs. They are not attached to the hammer, they are attached to the TRIGGER. How on earth is this thing going to work!!! (i might get it and stick in a gas mech.) Yeah I noticed that too... confuses the mechanic in me to death.... Link to post Share on other sites
MDK_Marshal Posted July 29, 2009 Report Share Posted July 29, 2009 Also note that the three gears go nowhere and do nothing. I mean, They end up turning the smallest gear relatively quickly, But it's not driving anything! It can't be driving the piston, as that'd require some more teeth sticking out to engage the rack, which I can't see... This is quite bizzare. Link to post Share on other sites
Treadhead Posted July 29, 2009 Report Share Posted July 29, 2009 I've been wondering about that myself - either it's a convoluted release mechanism for the piston or there's still working out the mechanics... The trigger and doghead can't be directly connected as the doghead needs to turn through at least 45 degrees and the trigger movement is far smaller. However, it looks like a quarter turn of that biggest cog is precisely enough to pull back the piston which leads me to think that the trigger on that cog either only appears to be attached to the cod (trick of the light perhaps?) or it's a pic of an early prototype or something deliberately misleading.... Also note that the three gears go nowhere and do nothing. I mean, They end up turning the smallest gear relatively quickly, But it's not driving anything! It can't be driving the piston, as that'd require some more teeth sticking out to engage the rack, which I can't see... Note the squared axle on the smallest cog, which would indicate something more to be added, which makes sense as those gears all appear to be on the sidewall and not the centreline anyway... Bizarre indeed!! EDIT: a bit of photoshop jiggerypokery reveals the trigger is indeed separate from that gear... Link to post Share on other sites
Treadhead Posted July 29, 2009 Report Share Posted July 29, 2009 I think I've sussed it.... Pulling back the doghead cranks back the piston (via the as yet unseen gear to be added to the axle of the smaller one) until it engages on the trigger sear. That just leaves the matter of the spring. It could be getting a straight line spring in the standard manner, though there's no sign of a mounting for a spring guide. I'm beginning to suspect the spring might be a coil type mounted around the doghead axle and driving the piston via the geartrain... Though that's pure speculation - there's obviously a few key parts missing form that pic... Link to post Share on other sites
Horsem4n Posted July 29, 2009 Author Report Share Posted July 29, 2009 looks like we figured it out, as far as we could. now lets hope its upgradeable! how else is thinking about a 'WANTED' loadout? Link to post Share on other sites
blokhed Posted July 29, 2009 Report Share Posted July 29, 2009 I'm pretty jazzed about this thing. It's now the oldest gun to be replicated for airsoft, isn't it? I'll probably pick one up, even though it doesn't fit with my usual Western load-out. (I guess it could still function as "my grandfather's gun.") Link to post Share on other sites
maccrage Posted July 29, 2009 Report Share Posted July 29, 2009 I choose pistols at dawn, sir. Link to post Share on other sites
ED-SKaR Posted July 30, 2009 Report Share Posted July 30, 2009 I'm beginning to suspect the spring might be a coil type mounted around the doghead axle and driving the piston via the geartrain... I hope not... Link to post Share on other sites
Treadhead Posted July 30, 2009 Report Share Posted July 30, 2009 Me too... Link to post Share on other sites
D-JHapyMeal Posted July 30, 2009 Report Share Posted July 30, 2009 Well, they got this going on: KTW: M73 carbine wood stock set I must admit that I have a soft spot for KTW's products - they look fantastic. Their newest product is M73 carbine wood stock set. Made out of American walnut with oil finish. Available on 8/7, price is 18800 Yen (140.64 Eur). So maby a flintlock can be modded out of this, if not KTW can make one? Link to post Share on other sites
Stealthbomber Posted July 30, 2009 Report Share Posted July 30, 2009 I urge you all to take a close look at those cogs. They are not attached to the hammer, they are attached to the TRIGGER. How on earth is this thing going to work!!! To me it looks like the trigger is a separate item pivoting on the same shaft as the sector gear. You cock the gun with the hammer, which spins all 3 gears and pulls the piston back. The piston latches on that hook at the front of the trigger. You pull the trigger. Hammer is released, gears spin opposite way, pushing piston forward again. BB coughs out the muzzle at lousy velocity. Repeat. At the moment, the only bit that puzzles me is how BBs are loaded. Obviously the cylinder will be spring-loaded. Whether you'll press on the loading rod in the muzzle to load a BB or summat is anybody's guess. Link to post Share on other sites
MDK_Marshal Posted July 30, 2009 Report Share Posted July 30, 2009 I might have an idea on the feeding; they cheat. Looking at the front of the cylinder, there's room for a spring that'd push it BACKWARDS; but no way of attaching one that pushes it forwards. I think that what they're doing is having the cylinder retracted as standard, and when it's fired, the piston pushes the cylinder forwards, chambering a round and firing in the same action. I must say, though, I hope to god I'm wrong. If KTW are making a springer that fires from an open bolt, I think I'll cry... Link to post Share on other sites
Habakure Posted October 5, 2009 Report Share Posted October 5, 2009 Thought I'd just post here instead of creating a new thread about this, has anyone heard any more about this? Or has it creeped into the abyss of nothingness? I was looking forward to getting one and having an excuse to get a pirate outfit, run round a site dressed as a stinking pirate! Link to post Share on other sites
ED-SKaR Posted October 5, 2009 Report Share Posted October 5, 2009 Or has it creeped into the abyss of nothingness? Lets hope they gave up because they where told another company is making one and they know theirs wont be as good.. ... ... heres hoping. Link to post Share on other sites
Habakure Posted October 5, 2009 Report Share Posted October 5, 2009 Ooohhh thats interesting, just want a working flintlock, as I reckon a game using just them would be a great laugh and also could pave the way for a new style of play. Link to post Share on other sites
Habakure Posted October 6, 2009 Report Share Posted October 6, 2009 The more I look at that, the more my bank balance has a heart attack. Link to post Share on other sites
blokhed Posted October 6, 2009 Report Share Posted October 6, 2009 Yeah, that's...that's such a unique weapon, the earliest era yet replicated, I think I'll have to have it. Link to post Share on other sites
kojak Posted July 22, 2010 Report Share Posted July 22, 2010 Scrounging around for things to blow money on, when avast! What have we here? http://www.tokyo-model.com.hk/ecshop/goods.php?id=6859 Link to post Share on other sites
ED-SKaR Posted July 23, 2010 Report Share Posted July 23, 2010 So, you can get the wood "stock"* but where is the base gun!!!!? *more of a grip really... Link to post Share on other sites
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