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#61 intinerious

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Posted 25 March 2012 - 08:41 PM

Dude, stop ranting, no one wants to read it.
If you don't like it, don't buy it.


And this is a forum where people can voice their opinions/rants/whatever as long as it's within forum rules.

adadqgg's been making various points regarding the details (or lack thereof) on a lot of Russian AEGs/GBBRs and whether you like his rants or not I don't see how you're so entitled to tell him to shut up. Why don't you shut up instead, I'm sick of people telling adadqgg to shut up when his rants raises interesting points that I would've never known since I'm not an encyclopaedia on Russian firearms yet the details he raises are interesting to me.

As for your "if you don't like it, don't buy it".....when did adadqgg say anything about buying it in the first place? It seems like a lot of people's natural ending for their arguments when someone raises issues with certain guns or manufacturers. I am completely disgusted with that phrase simply because the only logical retort to that would be "no *suitcase*"....no, I'm so stupid that I know all the issues that I hate about this gun but some deity from above compels me to get it and I need your reminder to stop myself from succumbing to buying the thing I just dissed.

Can't everyone just move on from whatever grudge they hold against adadqgg? I don't even know him and from the threads that I've lurked in for the past few months even I feel a bit sorry for him....it's not like he INSISTS that you share his ideology that if a Russian-side airsoft gun have some details wrong it's automatically a POS; yet a lot of you guys seem to have a vendetta against whatever he says on this forum as if he spat on and insulted your mother.

#62 LordElpus

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Posted 25 March 2012 - 09:09 PM

Or maybe people are just getting fed up of reading it in virtually every WE thread that pops up?

Regardless of adadqgg's feelings about his beloved russian guns, i hope WE have learnt their lesson after the massive cost cutting cockup over the WE AK internals. Externals i can live with to a degree, but the internals have to function.

#63 intinerious

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Posted 25 March 2012 - 09:36 PM

Or maybe people are just getting fed up of reading it in virtually every WE thread that pops up?

Regardless of adadqgg's feelings about his beloved russian guns, i hope WE have learnt their lesson after the massive cost cutting cockup over the WE AK internals. Externals i can live with to a degree, but the internals have to function.


Perhaps people are fed up about reading it everywhere (me too...slightly. although it perks up my interest to know what the wrong details are on an airsoft gun that adadqgg rants about I can't say that I enjoy reading it again and again and again), but why can't they get over it and just skip whatever he commented on rather than tell him to shut the hell up about it? It's not like his rants have no merits whatsoever (although there might be some, I dunno, it's late and for some reason I'm still awake so I'm going by my gut feeling); nor do they breach forum rules. A quick peek at the rules for the Airsoft News thread would seem to show a lot of people violating the rules set out on Arnies about pricing of some of the inokatsu guns, or the repeated "not another M4/Ak" comments yet I don't see any massive complaints about it...don't those comments warrant more dislikes rather than adadqgg's?

Also whatever adadqgg rants is not affecting anyone personally...I don't see why some people don't consider the reverse and instead of telling him to shut up just ignore his comments on the thread itself. Having some self-control is not a particularly hard feat either; I browse by the same set of ideals that a lot of ASM users do on the Technical Discussion sub-forum here on Arnies and it still irks me when people post threads that have been answered a few weeks prior (the Madbull Daniel Defense rails mounting on a G&P receiver for example) when all they needed to do was a 5 min job of using the 'search button'. As far as I can tell this forum's been around for quite some time and I'm sure most of the newbie technical questions have already been answered time and time again. I don't go on every thread to berate people about using the search bar since I know it's not really the same here compared with ASM but as a matter of principle I don't like it when people post questions on very common problems as it shows a lack of initiative on their part to actually fix the problem themselves so they rather expect to be spoon-fed by others for free (I just realised I probably ranted something that doesn't relate with whatever I was arguing about but it's 5:30am in the morning here and I'm finally getting drowsy...).

Nonetheless I would think a more well-mannered response to adadqgg about toning it down would've been better if people here are to stick with their belief that they are entitled to tell others to shut it if they don't like what they are talking about. Almost every response telling adadqgg to (basically) shut up has a hint of vitriol in it for some reason and I don't see why people have to resort to that considering that they merely believe (I assume) his comments are cluttering up their enjoyment on these forums.

EDIT: I've derailed the thread, sorry about that.

Edited by intinerious, 25 March 2012 - 09:37 PM.


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Posted 26 March 2012 - 02:13 PM

So another thread is derailed into a bit of hand bag slapping. What I would like to know, is if this svd has been seen/held/examined by anyone who is a menber on here. If not, then it is pure speculation, based on previous experience with WE internals/externals.
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#65 Banshee_Will

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#66 adadqgg

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Posted 28 June 2012 - 02:09 AM

First, let me state the obvious:
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EPIC FAIL on WE's part for making incorrect laminated wood handguard(same mistake as a certain ACM brand did on A&K replacement handguard).
http://www.arms-cool.net/forum/viewthread.php?tid=117964&extra=&page=1

According to WE rep's post on Arms-cool.net, WE SVD will have:
Economic version: aluminum receiver, polymer furniture(probably s**t like A&K), "steel" parts(so far only tested on gas regulator's moving part made of stamped steel and flash hider).
Average player version: same as above but with wood furniture(worthless).
Collector's version: CNCed steel receiver + wood + steel parts.

It will have full bolt travel(obviously only selling point of WE).
Looks like bolt is also potmetal.

I am looking at collector's edition and hope it has full steel parts and not just ones tested on photo.
But then again it is WE so cutting cost on everything must be done.

I am going to keep my RealSword unless WE proves to be worth the money.

Edited by adadqgg, 28 June 2012 - 02:11 AM.

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#67 renegadecow

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Posted 28 June 2012 - 02:31 AM

To be honest I actually like the looks of the handguard laminated that way. Wrapped around and mold pressed like the real ones are looks too plain for me. My universal translator isn't working for the page right now but did I get it right, the prices are 8,000 and 15,000 TWD for the regular and deluxe versions respectively? That's a mere $268 to $502!!!

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#68 adadqgg

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Posted 28 June 2012 - 03:38 AM

To be honest I actually like the looks of the handguard laminated that way. Wrapped around and mold pressed like the real ones are looks too plain for me. My universal translator isn't working for the page right now but did I get it right, the prices are 8,000 and 15,000 TWD for the regular and deluxe versions respectively? That's a mere $268 to $502!!!

Is not about look(and it would look way better with real handguard; instead of elongated AK handguard); otherwise there would be gold plated SVD...etc.

Failed laminated handguard just shows how lazy WE is. I already reported this issue and we will see what they do(or not) about it.

8000 is thought up by WE rep very late at night.

15000 is guess by player.

Real price should be somewhere in-between.

I also forgot to mention that barrel is aluminum.

Edited by adadqgg, 28 June 2012 - 03:45 AM.

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#69 Reppyboyo

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Posted 28 June 2012 - 04:19 AM

Looks pretty good to me.
Wood does look a little odd compared to the Real Sword I used to have but its by no means an 'epic fail'.

Bit of a shame its not full steel (barrel especially) but this is WE so its not surprising.

Look forward to seeing prices.
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#70 adadqgg

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Posted 28 June 2012 - 04:37 AM

Looks pretty good to me.
Wood does look a little odd compared to the Real Sword I used to have but its by no means an 'epic fail'.

It is not just a little.

It is like WE drawing huge trollface on handguard; this is not even marking issue on selector, it is blatantly obvious from many arshin away.

I do not even complain about gas system since they could not possibly make it have massive firing rate issue at SEMI auto(after those improvements over AK such as larger gas chamber and no piston rod...etc.).
But then again it is WE so...

Wood would have been almost perfect if they just take a look at realsteel furniture(which they seemed to fail at doing even though they sampled off a RealSword SVD; I guess their every attempt at making SVD less similar to mainland's Type 86, no doubt due to political issue, made SVD all the more unrealistic). But WE just has to go cheap and fail(it would not be so horribly wrong if it was just another cheap gun, but for $400-500 "collector version" it is horrible, it is like early VFC AK aluminum barrel+improper laminated handguard horrible)

Only thing that might be good about this is the fact that there is no motor on GBBR so SVD-S is very possible.

Edited by adadqgg, 28 June 2012 - 04:39 AM.

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#71 renegadecow

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Posted 28 June 2012 - 09:59 AM

Not really sure why it bothers you so much since I'm near absolutely sure you won't buy one anyway. If it's that big of a problem you could just swap it out with real furniture if not a synthetic version if they'll be releasing them.

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#72 wolfgeorge

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Posted 28 June 2012 - 10:32 AM

I'd like to see the "Collectors" edition SVD though, I have the RS SVD and yes the grips are a bit off but they don't look bad! Plus many will see it few will notice it! I'm only hooping the "steel" parts to be steel parts and not something cheap...

BTW are there any news on the RS SVD GBBR?


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#73 calbur20

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Posted 28 June 2012 - 03:38 PM

The bolt being potmetal isn't a huge problem - my WE AKSU has steel internals now and the bolt hasn't been affected by it one bit. Pretty sure this won't be a problem on this one either. As for the hand guards - most players really won't mind if it's not 100% accurate. Most AEGs aren't really 1:1 replicas of the real thing, there's always a tiny difference from the real one to the replica. If I still played on jungle sites I'd probably buy one of these.

#74 adadqgg

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Posted 28 June 2012 - 06:30 PM

Not really sure why it bothers you so much since I'm near absolutely sure you won't buy one anyway. If it's that big of a problem you could just swap it out with real furniture if not a synthetic version if they'll be releasing them.

I would buy one if they just make it correct.

You know RealSteel SVD handguard(just hanguard) is $80-100; that is a lot of money paid for something that WE should have easily fixed from factory.

The bolt being potmetal isn't a huge problem - my WE AKSU has steel internals now and the bolt hasn't been affected by it one bit. Pretty sure this won't be a problem on this one either. As for the hand guards - most players really won't mind if it's not 100% accurate. Most AEGs aren't really 1:1 replicas of the real thing, there's always a tiny difference from the real one to the replica. If I still played on jungle sites I'd probably buy one of these.

SVD is not made for "most players." Otherwise you would see SVD with all sorts of stupid 20mm rail screwed onto handguard...etc.
AEG SVD(at least RealSword) proves that you can have 1:1 replica of realsteel(even though tiny details suggest that it is replica of early SVD). Not to mention this thread is about WE GBB which has potential to be more realistic than AEG in ever way, but WEAK failed every time.

Handguard is a BIG part; that is not a tiny difference.

Also, if they are so not-important, why would anyone care about 6mm markings or realsteel trademarks on other stuff like M4/G36?

Bottom line is: if M4/G36 can have realsteel trademark to look more like realsteel, SVD deserves having realistic handguard to look more like realsteel(even though obviously WE is not going to be 1:1 to realsteel).

As for potmetal bolt; bolt itself is not problem; problem will be obvious when you see a piece of bolt handle fly off.

Edited by adadqgg, 28 June 2012 - 06:40 PM.

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#75 adadqgg

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Posted 29 June 2012 - 03:20 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jwKgQuu_STE#t=03m35s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HIBhoHgDmSk#t=02m01s
Compare to WE:
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Bolt does not even stop at same place.

Edited by adadqgg, 29 June 2012 - 03:28 AM.

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Posted 29 June 2012 - 03:19 PM

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Posted 29 June 2012 - 03:42 PM

For those of you saying you have the RS SVD: you have the AEG right?

I give no *suitcases* about the WE SVD, but when is that RS SVD GBBR coming out?
GBBR: 7.5" Diplomat, 10.4" HK416 D10RS, 10.3" CQBR Block 2, 16" Recce (WIP), 20" M16A4, Romanian PM md. 90/POSP
GBBP: TM SIG P226 Elite, TM Glock 17, KSC USP45, WA SCW3 Infinity Single Stack 6" IED, TM Jim Boland .38 Super Project (WIP).

Everything I own is for sale, if offered a fair price.

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Posted 03 July 2012 - 12:42 PM

For what it is worth, BBDragon/CWI have a price up on their svd page.
$535.50, presumably for the collectors edition.
Also 2 pictures of the 3 versions.

http://www.bbdragon.com.tw/product_info.php/products_id/2915/Twesid/3abda064d9d6fb21a7160ad109c9ddb3
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Posted 03 July 2012 - 01:54 PM

But then again it is WE so cutting cost on everything must be done.

I am going to keep my RealSword unless WE proves to be worth the money.

WE's EBR kit was a very nicely done, It cost an arm, I'll admit but WE does make nice stuff if they want.

Not really sure why it bothers you so much since I'm near absolutely sure you won't buy one anyway. If it's that big of a problem you could just swap it out with real furniture if not a synthetic version if they'll be releasing them.


I think we can generally agree that if you want a high quality wood kit, its cheaper to buy a firearm version instead.

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Posted 07 July 2012 - 05:41 AM

I'll admit but WE does make nice stuff if they want.

Yeah, which is why it is really disappointing to me when they cloned RealSword(perferct starting point), made steel receiver, and cannot keep going with making a SVD correctly.

I think we can generally agree that if you want a high quality wood kit, its cheaper to buy a firearm version instead.

In case of wood kit for east bloc weaponry(mainly AK), LCT make really good ones although almost cost as much as realsteel.
Making wood kit that looks like real one is not rocket science, it just depends on whether manufacturer will go to that extra distance to make it for player's enjoyment. Clearly WE does not. And "collector" version means player must buy more expensive yet totally worthless(when realsteel handguard is available, which is not often but not that rare either) WE wood handguards.


For those of you saying you have the RS SVD: you have the AEG right?

More like a spear to me; I feel confident stabbing any medium-sized wild animals with it.
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WE with potmetal parts and aluminium barrel...not so much.






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What I wanted before was WE SVD(when they said steel receiver I thought they would make other parts in steel as well...guess not...), but then I saw this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Ms1L2q4eV4&feature=player_embedded
And maybe its internals can be dropped into RealSword SVD.

Edited by adadqgg, 07 July 2012 - 06:04 AM.

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