Azubi Posted April 19, 2013 Report Share Posted April 19, 2013 Again, where is my Makarov!!!!! I gave up on seeing that a long time ago. Link to post Share on other sites
FireKnife Posted April 19, 2013 Report Share Posted April 19, 2013 I gave up on seeing that a long time ago. Same, just really out of all the upcoming classic guns out there it was the one that peaked my interest and now it looks like it is completely shelved, maybe they guaged it on the poor-ish TT-33 sales? That is what happens when you put a silly trigger safety in . 'FireKnife' Link to post Share on other sites
Bjerre Posted April 19, 2013 Report Share Posted April 19, 2013 They do. It's the reason why some of their guns have proper trades (FN SCAR, Colt, H&K, S&W) while others don't (Springfield, FN 5-7). Take the case of their M19 for instance. It was first released with proper trades way back when but was immediately noticed by S&W. They were forced to replace the trades with "TM" only stylized in the S&W font (like the TM in FN font on their 5-7 pistol) until they stopped production. Recently they were able to buy trademark rights from S&W which is why they're able to re-release their M19/66 with proper trades making sure they emblazon the name all over their website. The trades you mention, FN SCAR, Colt, H&K, S&W, all belong to CyberGun and Umarex, and none of those companyes work with TM. So no, TM, have not official licensed products. //Bjerre Link to post Share on other sites
kenxin Posted April 19, 2013 Report Share Posted April 19, 2013 The trades you mention, FN SCAR, Colt, H&K, S&W, all belong to CyberGun and Umarex, and none of those companyes work with TM. So no, TM, have not official licensed products. //Bjerre All those have no presence in japan. If you read previous posts, they're licensed IN JAPAN. Overseas are another matter. Link to post Share on other sites
Aitch Posted April 19, 2013 Report Share Posted April 19, 2013 Read the notice, they're ending the exclusivity KWA has, no mention of them cutting ties, Link to post Share on other sites
Habakure Posted April 19, 2013 Report Share Posted April 19, 2013 This weekend I can see a lot of kwa kriss vector mags being bought (I will be one of those). It would be best to wait till kwa release a statement and then see what they say. Staff leaving can be a number of things (pay, contract etc). Feel sorry for the staff that have left, bet that was a hard decision. Link to post Share on other sites
FTZ-WildeCard Posted April 19, 2013 Report Share Posted April 19, 2013 Is anyone surprised that KWA has still not said anything? Link to post Share on other sites
Habakure Posted April 19, 2013 Report Share Posted April 19, 2013 Am not surprised, if I'm honest. As it does look very bad, to loose one of their, very publicised, licensing deals and staff quitting. Link to post Share on other sites
FTZ-WildeCard Posted April 19, 2013 Report Share Posted April 19, 2013 Which is why I would have thought they'd say something sooner. We're all here thinking the worst ... well, maybe it is as bad as feared... but I hope not!! Link to post Share on other sites
PreacherMan Posted April 19, 2013 Author Report Share Posted April 19, 2013 Read the notice, they're ending the exclusivity KWA has, no mention of them cutting ties, Sadly, Allizard says they need to stop. Right now I'm seeing glimpses of a lot of internal hostility at KWA, wondering what's happening. Regardless, here's hoping they continue product support. allizard Today, 02:36 AM Nope... KWA is done. They can no longer produce and distribute the GBB Vector. Nor the AEG version that's in the work since last year. I know.... I was there. (Snip) Perhaps a better question should be asked "What did Yih Kai (KWA's manufacturer and owner) have done to ###### off Kriss?" Former KWA Product Marketing Manager - Allen Link to post Share on other sites
Honzo Posted April 19, 2013 Report Share Posted April 19, 2013 That sucks for kwa. Did they lose their H&K license in the same fashion as this kriss? Link to post Share on other sites
bankz5152 Posted April 19, 2013 Report Share Posted April 19, 2013 When KWA lost their H&K Licence they still said they would make spares for the MP7. I assume they will do the same for the KRISS. Link to post Share on other sites
bladerunner168 Posted April 19, 2013 Report Share Posted April 19, 2013 Me thinks it's time to sell my LM4 and return to the comfortable and ample bosom of G&P/WA. Link to post Share on other sites
hwagan Posted April 19, 2013 Report Share Posted April 19, 2013 Me thinks it's time to sell my LM4 and return to the comfortable and ample bosom of G&P/WA. Don't say that, it's what I'm thinking and it's not something I want to accept Link to post Share on other sites
Manxmadman Posted April 19, 2013 Report Share Posted April 19, 2013 Given what they must be investing to secure these licensing deals, and then tool up machines, design the parts and build them, KWA must have a lot of cash to happily burn if they are happy to maintain a culture that makes their licensing partners back out so soon. I can't imagine they've sold that many KRISS's to make up the costs they've sunk into it and the AEG version. Maybe this will bring about a more cooperative change in their culture, but I'm guessing possibly not. Link to post Share on other sites
emp3ror86 Posted April 19, 2013 Report Share Posted April 19, 2013 Why would you guys sell your LM4s? That is one of KWA's most successful products, I do not think they would stop supporting it. Link to post Share on other sites
hwagan Posted April 19, 2013 Report Share Posted April 19, 2013 Going on the fact Allizard is the only insider to comment so far, what he's said sounds pretty dire; Half the staff leaving can't be good news. I'm not making any rash decisions, but I'll be keeping a close eye on what happens with KWA. Link to post Share on other sites
Habakure Posted April 19, 2013 Report Share Posted April 19, 2013 Gotta love G&P's ample bosom, it's a stable comfort in a world of uncertain airsoft (I'm being dramatic, hope you got that). Wish I hadn't sold my Car15 by G&P, the full length M16vn is nice, but it's just not the same. I was hoping they'd release a cqb spec bolt for the kriss vector (just like they did for the mp9). Link to post Share on other sites
emp3ror86 Posted April 19, 2013 Report Share Posted April 19, 2013 Going on the fact Allizard is the only insider to comment so far, what he's said sounds pretty dire; Half the staff leaving can't be good news. I'm not making any rash decisions, but I'll be keeping a close eye on what happens with KWA. Half of the staff at KWA USA. Not in Taiwan. That is a big difference. Link to post Share on other sites
Leon Kennedy Posted April 19, 2013 Report Share Posted April 19, 2013 Half of the staff at KWA USA. Not in Taiwan. That is a big difference. it's still not good. Half of the staff in any company, especially one with a US branch, is a bad sign. Link to post Share on other sites
Horsem4n Posted April 19, 2013 Report Share Posted April 19, 2013 theres some rumors getting thrown around at GGI that KWA has to take a hiatus or start restructuring or something, but they will probably cease production of everything for a few months. this has really been a long time coming. when they changed ownership almost a year ago, they have been talking about big changes. maybe this is the beginning of those big changes. Link to post Share on other sites
Aitch Posted April 19, 2013 Report Share Posted April 19, 2013 I hope KWA has international patents on the Vectors inner workings to prevent other companies copying them, as KWA USA,. how much staff would they have? I doubt much more than a large airsoft retailer? Link to post Share on other sites
xKingSizex Posted April 19, 2013 Report Share Posted April 19, 2013 theres some rumors getting thrown around at GGI that KWA has to take a hiatus or start restructuring or something, but they will probably cease production of everything for a few months. this has really been a long time coming. when they changed ownership almost a year ago, they have been talking about big changes. maybe this is the beginning of those big changes. No truth to that statement at all, as well as many others. Let me clarify one thing, KWA will not cease operation and will continue to have product support for these products. It's only the one product that we will not produce, not the entire KWA line of products. We will have parts and support for those of you that have the product. KWA is not shutting down or restructuring. No need to shut down as we have been getting regular shipments and have been shipping out products. It is also a huge overstatement to say that half of the KWA staff QUIT. A few quit to work for another company and a few got let go, however the rest of us are here and it is business as usual. If you have any questions about products or support, please visit the KWA Help Desk at www.kwausa.com/support. Thank you all for your support Link to post Share on other sites
akiraspeedstar Posted April 19, 2013 Report Share Posted April 19, 2013 Hearing that you'll continue to support KWA users and hte KWA Market is a good thing, I was about ready to sell my LM4 and jump ship to a Viper or something haha. Link to post Share on other sites
Aitch Posted April 20, 2013 Report Share Posted April 20, 2013 The LM4 is armash*te based, it's design is public domain externally, only loss would be trades which KWA don't use iirc? that platform wouldn't be effected by the above and if this news has you thinking the sky is faliing on KWA Link to post Share on other sites
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