NonEx Posted August 27, 2013 Report Share Posted August 27, 2013 Just doing my regular AirsoftGlobal browsing and saw the KSC AK 74U S7 pop up on the front page. Weren't people a little excited over this ? http://www.airsoftglobal.com/shop/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=552_553&products_id=17112&zenid=tpgvnqugagdne14vi5n343fvh6 380 USD is the price tag. Discuss! For me, the externals look worse visually than WEs, and it's more expensive. Then again people say WE internals are *suitcase*, granted there were some reports of broken AKs, but... I never was a KSC fan myself. Link to post Share on other sites
HardcoreCook Posted August 27, 2013 Report Share Posted August 27, 2013 I'll only let my judgement fall once I see it's blowback. Link to post Share on other sites
TheFull9 Posted August 27, 2013 Report Share Posted August 27, 2013 KWA AK-74's been around for a while now (presumably same system/mags): http://www.wgcshop.com/wgc2008/main/product_detail1.php?search_From=category&item=KWA-GBR-AKG74M&search=special&rs=KWA%20GBBRs&catid=76&cat=635 I'd probably have bought one if there was any information floating around. I'd feel fairly certain the price difference vs WE will be the steel internals. A WE open-bolt M4 looks a lot more realistic than my LM4 does, but (personally) I wouldn't ever dream of swapping. Link to post Share on other sites
mrsevenstars Posted August 27, 2013 Report Share Posted August 27, 2013 Funny i feel the exact opposite, I had the LM4 and so did a few of my friends, we eventually got tired of the non-rs 3 piece upper, inconsistent hop, leaky mags, small aftermarket following and bought WE m4. Contrary to popular belief, it is quite a stable platform if you buy the OB version along with gen2 mags. Although i do miss the gas mileage on the LM4. :-D Although back on topic, i'd love to see this go head to head with WE and GHK in terms of performance. At 380usd i believe ksc is the most expensive of all and the WE and GHK being steel externals the performance would hope to be phenominally better to even top the others. Link to post Share on other sites
seagullman Posted August 27, 2013 Report Share Posted August 27, 2013 we is solid and at least its a full stroke.. Link to post Share on other sites
TheFull9 Posted August 27, 2013 Report Share Posted August 27, 2013 My upper's been solid as houses, hop is consistent, none of the mags leak in the slightest and it was plenty compatible enough with RS parts to build exactly the gun I wanted. But I guess no two airsoft products ever come out of the factory being exactly the same. I'd hazard a guess that the long term resilience and reliability is where this rifle ought to out-do the others, but that's just based on the KWA AR platform and an assumption they've done as good a job on the AKs. I'm yet to see anyone skirmish a GHK, KSC/KWA or WE GBB AK, certainly no long term reviews (which is the sort of review that matters). Link to post Share on other sites
NonEx Posted August 27, 2013 Author Report Share Posted August 27, 2013 Right, forgot about the KWA release a while back, alothough it is the full lenght solid folding stock version. Like you say, same internals and system most likely. But, the KSC maybe have steel internals, but the externals look really poor, don't they ? Both the fake wood and metal body look off... Link to post Share on other sites
hwagan Posted August 27, 2013 Report Share Posted August 27, 2013 From all I'm seeing it seems like GHK is the one to go for - They seem to be regarded as all round good performers and particularly resistant to cooldown, maybe with one or two minor design flaws, but spares are available. GHK AK would be my choice when I eventually get round to being financially capable of owning one. Still, the KSC looks alright - As NonEx said, the wood looks off but KSC generally make reliable guns; Assuming the hop isn't the ball bearing type, I imagine it'll be good in stock form but probably not as much aftermarket support and less R/S compatibility. Link to post Share on other sites
seagullman Posted August 28, 2013 Report Share Posted August 28, 2013 the finish is almost springer like :[ Link to post Share on other sites
allizard Posted August 29, 2013 Report Share Posted August 29, 2013 Let me put this to rest. Design wise, if it's KSC, it's KWA. The different can only be determine by their regions and their own specific requirement. As much as I love the shooting performance of KWA/KSC version. The bolt stop feature is stupid and literally damage the feed lip on the mag itself. If they haven't improved it by the time on final release. I can see this could be recurring service issue. Link to post Share on other sites
NonEx Posted August 29, 2013 Author Report Share Posted August 29, 2013 Hmmm... says the guy who used to work for KWA USA... Trying to help potential KWA/KSC customers, or scare people away from buying it out of spite ? Link to post Share on other sites
allizard Posted August 30, 2013 Report Share Posted August 30, 2013 I kinda knew this is going to come up. First and foremost I'm a member on Arnies long before I work for them. And since I'm no longer associated with them I'm not bound by their NDA. I am free to express any comments. So take it however you like. I am only here to set the record straight. Link to post Share on other sites
NonEx Posted August 30, 2013 Author Report Share Posted August 30, 2013 I just wanted to throw it out there. Thanks for the response, and it wasn't anything personal against you (well, I guess it is, but I didn't mean anything by it, if you know what I mean), but a guy's gotta wonder considering the circumstances ! Link to post Share on other sites
allizard Posted August 30, 2013 Report Share Posted August 30, 2013 I just wanted to throw it out there. Thanks for the response, and it wasn't anything personal against you (well, I guess it is, but I didn't mean anything by it, if you know what I mean), but a guy's gotta wonder considering the circumstances ! Understandable and it's expected as soon as I post something. Link to post Share on other sites
White_Death1 Posted September 1, 2013 Report Share Posted September 1, 2013 Hmmm,does not look as good to me as the GHK LCT bodied ones,anyone know if it's full steel? Link to post Share on other sites
GlockworkOrange Posted September 1, 2013 Report Share Posted September 1, 2013 Looks more like a TM recoil than a GBBr! Short bolt travel, fake wood, unrealistic finish - don't see the appeal personally. Link to post Share on other sites
allizard Posted September 1, 2013 Report Share Posted September 1, 2013 Hmmm,does not look as good to me as the GHK LCT bodied ones,anyone know if it's full steel? No it's not stamped steel like others. The receiver is cast aluminium and zinc alloy then CNC finish. Maybe it's the KSC version. But the KWA version kicks much much stronger. Link to post Share on other sites
blobface Posted September 2, 2013 Report Share Posted September 2, 2013 I'm yet to see anyone skirmish a GHK, KSC/KWA or WE GBB AK I went with a GHK AKS74U 2 weekends ago, was an outdoor site against AEG players, with 300 field ammo limit enforced on everyone though. It performed well enough for one of the marshalls to say that after seeing me play, it's changed his mind about selling his GBBR. Here's a video of a few Taiwanese players using the GHK AKs, the recoil was enough to turn off his clone Eotech half way through the game (I use a real Kobra on mine ) Link to post Share on other sites
HardcoreCook Posted September 2, 2013 Report Share Posted September 2, 2013 That guy is either just using WE's, or also WE's, but certainly not just GHK's. Link to post Share on other sites
blobface Posted September 3, 2013 Report Share Posted September 3, 2013 That guy is either just using WE's, or also WE's, but certainly not just GHK's. ..... Care to clarify? Link to post Share on other sites
Zombie00 Posted September 3, 2013 Report Share Posted September 3, 2013 That guy is either just using WE's, or also WE's, but certainly not just GHK's. ..... Care to clarify? I believe he thinks the bolt is going all the way back to battery as in a real ak, but it isn't the case. Link to post Share on other sites
Desert.Express Posted September 23, 2013 Report Share Posted September 23, 2013 It would be nice to see a comparison between this an the latest GHK AKS74U. Link to post Share on other sites
PureSilver Posted September 23, 2013 Report Share Posted September 23, 2013 It would be nice to see a comparison between this an the latest GHK AKS74U. +1 - For me at least GHKs are the benchmark for GBB Kalashnikovs. Skimping on parts and build quality with GBBRs is a false economy, so if the KSC's not tangibly better than the GHKs are, why would you bother buying it? Link to post Share on other sites
Desert.Express Posted September 23, 2013 Report Share Posted September 23, 2013 +1 - For me at least GHKs are the benchmark for GBB Kalashnikovs. Skimping on parts and build quality with GBBRs is a false economy, so if the KSC's not tangibly better than the GHKs are, why would you bother buying it? Yep,the GBB AKs market is already overfilled and this KSC doesn't seem to add much more to it. Not to mention the KSC M4A1,another fail in a super overfilled market. Link to post Share on other sites
blobface Posted September 23, 2013 Report Share Posted September 23, 2013 The only nice thing I can say about this gun is that the mag looks really nice... Link to post Share on other sites
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