rusTORK Posted December 9, 2013 Report Share Posted December 9, 2013 Just spotted it on arms-cool.net first, but actual review on http://sechsmillimeter.info At this store it's price ~298 Euro. Look's like... New Year Gift? +) Link to post Share on other sites
Inari Posted December 9, 2013 Report Share Posted December 9, 2013 That looks quite nice, though I wonder what it will be like long term. VFC have made some improvements with their GBB pistols, so lets hope they've learned from them and brought that into the MP7. Personally I don't hold too high hopes for it, and if I'm honest the whole 1:1 thing never bothered me about the other MP7 offerings. Hell, I don't even care about the 1:1 on AEG M4's etc. I know it matters to some people, but just wouldn't be a deal breaker for me. So for this to be worth consideration, it'd need to have considerable recoil, good range & accuracy, and solid reliability. Link to post Share on other sites
FireKnife Posted December 9, 2013 Report Share Posted December 9, 2013 If it can outshine the TM and KWA at a similar price then I can see it doing well. If not given how widespread the other two makes are I don't really see this selling bar the 1:1 size and that is a smaller group that would trade scale for usefulness (aside from collectors, but in the UK you don't get them much due to the VCRA). Nice effort but perhaps if they made a gun that was something not already made by reputeable companies I would have more hopes for it. 'FireKnife' Link to post Share on other sites
renegadecow Posted December 9, 2013 Report Share Posted December 9, 2013 After seeing first hand the atrocious engineering involved with their UMP mags, I am not at all excited to say the least. Link to post Share on other sites
Inari Posted December 9, 2013 Report Share Posted December 9, 2013 After seeing first hand the atrocious engineering involved with their UMP mags, I am not at all excited to say the least. That's just because you know several friends will buy them, and give the mags to you to fix Link to post Share on other sites
rusTORK Posted December 9, 2013 Author Report Share Posted December 9, 2013 I am personally will get VFC MP7-A1 for my collection. Maybe just not... Navy version. I like classic one. UMP got problem with magazine, yes. My guess - there was error on the assembly line. Magazine have got two Gas Housing Plates. One at bottom and one at top. Somehow, only one of them (from top) was installed on both places. Secong problem is outer valve (wich have got small o-rings). In fact, i am changed o-rings on my VFC MP5 magazine from HEAD1950 (i think it was from it) and it's stop leak at all. So, it's not a problem with valve itself, but with it's o-rings. In my case. Top Plate Bottom Plate Link to post Share on other sites
renegadecow Posted December 9, 2013 Report Share Posted December 9, 2013 Thing is, as much as the ones I've fixed had both top plates installed, the top plate leaked just the same. It's like trying to patch an arterial bleeding with a band aid. Link to post Share on other sites
Desert.Express Posted December 9, 2013 Report Share Posted December 9, 2013 I was expecting much more, from a collector's point of view. Hope they'll release a version without Umarex's scummy markings. Link to post Share on other sites
rusTORK Posted December 9, 2013 Author Report Share Posted December 9, 2013 Hope they'll release a version without Umarex's scummy markings. All hope on "Asia Edition". 8) But even asia edition have 6mm stamp, hidden, but still. Link to post Share on other sites
PureSilver Posted December 9, 2013 Report Share Posted December 9, 2013 That looks quite nice, though I wonder what it will be like long term. [...] Personally I don't hold too high hopes for it Hope they'll release a version without Umarex's scummy markings. My thoughts exactly. VFC's GBBRs haven't gone down well at all, and their SMGs are widely considered the least reliable on the market, with both being characterised by very high prices and extremely fragile and utterly proprietary internal components, which is not an appealing combination at all. Add Umarex's laser-engraved and impossible to remove markings, and I'll probably leave it. I really don't see why Umarex have to put their markings on the guns - just put it on the box, for God's sake! - or if they absolutely must, can't they put it inside the receiver somewhere where I don't have to look at them? Personally, I think the 1:1 proportions are a bonus - having seen the two together, the TM-AEP-scale ones (TM AEP, KSC/KWA GBB, TM GBB) look a bit stupid next to the real thing. But for me 'being an accurate replica' is a prerequisite for purchase for me; I'm not going to buy a gun just because it's a 1:1 replica - there are other 1:1 SMGs on the market that aren't made by a company with a bad reputation. Link to post Share on other sites
Danke Posted December 9, 2013 Report Share Posted December 9, 2013 I really like the idea of a 1:1 to be honest there's just something not right feeling about my KWA. That said it's an absolutely reliable piece that outrages other high dollar guns on the field and sounds like thunder when fired. If the VFC can't equal that performance benchmark then it's no sale. Link to post Share on other sites
ikliiu Posted December 10, 2013 Report Share Posted December 10, 2013 If this turns out to reliable, I'll definitely buy one. Good to see a 1:1 replica Link to post Share on other sites
3vi1-D4n Posted December 10, 2013 Report Share Posted December 10, 2013 Exception to the rule, I am still using the VFC M4, with their steel triggers and an HK bolt, RS buffer etc. No issues so far. It is by far the closest thing dimension wise to my RS ARs, and functions every time I pull the trigger. I will wait and see how this pans out with the VFC MP7. The WE SMG8 is almost 1:1 and will be coming out with their MP7 body kit or so I hear which makes it tempting for the low price. Both parties have swiss cheese triggers so its whatever is practical and cheap.. Link to post Share on other sites
hawaiianjuggernaut Posted December 10, 2013 Report Share Posted December 10, 2013 Echo what everyone else is saying, I'll wait before I seriously consider purchasing. VFC isn't the apotheosis of a quality GBB manufacturer. Link to post Share on other sites
blam360 Posted December 10, 2013 Report Share Posted December 10, 2013 I am personally will get VFC MP7-A1 for my collection. Maybe just not... Navy version. I like classic one. Forgive my noobness - whats the difference between the navy and classic mp7? my google-fu has failed me. Link to post Share on other sites
rusTORK Posted December 10, 2013 Author Report Share Posted December 10, 2013 Forgive my noobness - whats the difference between the navy and classic mp7? my google-fu has failed me. Navy version it's (as it's call Umarex) it's MP7 without front grip. It's have Hammerson rail instead. The "classic" one i call version with folding front grip. Link to post Share on other sites
ikliiu Posted December 10, 2013 Report Share Posted December 10, 2013 Just out of curiosity, but has anyone tried an AFG on the Mp7? Link to post Share on other sites
rusTORK Posted December 10, 2013 Author Report Share Posted December 10, 2013 Just out of curiosity, but has anyone tried an AFG on the Mp7? Link to post Share on other sites
hawaiianjuggernaut Posted December 10, 2013 Report Share Posted December 10, 2013 Would an angled grip be practical on such a compact weapon? I'd think the normal vert gives better control, but whatever floats your boat Sent from my XT907 using Tapatalk 4 Link to post Share on other sites
whiteknight Posted December 10, 2013 Report Share Posted December 10, 2013 1:1 replica does it for me , great to see picture comparisons but i still cant wait to hold one to really judge difference in having correct scale Link to post Share on other sites
rusTORK Posted December 10, 2013 Author Report Share Posted December 10, 2013 I am thinking about KWA MP7 and VFC MP7. Can they exist at the market at the same time? License own one company UMAREX. And i am not sure about TM MP7. Link to post Share on other sites
M_P Posted December 10, 2013 Report Share Posted December 10, 2013 I'm pretty sure KWA have lost their H&K license. It was shortly before they lost the Kriss one too. Link to post Share on other sites
Rob15 Posted December 10, 2013 Report Share Posted December 10, 2013 I'm pretty sure KWA have lost their H&K license. It was shortly before they lost the Kriss one too. KWA haven't lost the H&k licencing as far as I know, from what KWA said a while back (on their forum iirc) the change was that only Umarex could distribute the H&k replicas rather than KWA selling directly to retailers/other wholesalers like they were doing before. Link to post Share on other sites
planeman Posted December 11, 2013 Report Share Posted December 11, 2013 Navy version it's (as it's call Umarex) it's MP7 without front grip. It's have Hammerson rail instead. The "classic" one i call version with folding front grip. Is VFC going to release one with the front grip as I prefer that to the navy version Link to post Share on other sites
rusTORK Posted December 11, 2013 Author Report Share Posted December 11, 2013 Is VFC going to release one with the front grip as I prefer that to the navy version I hope they will. In fact, it's photo on the manual. But Navy just will be first. I am more thinking about "Asia Edition". =) Link to post Share on other sites
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