kimkafwan Posted March 17, 2014 Report Share Posted March 17, 2014 Well it's cheaper than orga's and comes with a hopup rubber: http://laylax.wn.shopserve.jp/SHOP/list.php?Search=%E3%83%87%E3%83%AB%E3%82%BF%E3%82%B9%E3%83%88%E3%83%A9%E3%82%A4%E3%82%AF%E3%83%90%E3%83%AC%E3%83%AB Range: claims to come close to 60/70m with only 1j... Link to post Share on other sites
Isamu Posted March 17, 2014 Report Share Posted March 17, 2014 Great! now im interested... I may even try to install an Rhop patch and see if I can get some ludicrous performance =p Link to post Share on other sites
TheFull9 Posted March 17, 2014 Report Share Posted March 17, 2014 70m at 1J? If anyone buys a set and confirms that, these things are gonna sell like very hot, very tasty cakes. Link to post Share on other sites
Isamu Posted March 17, 2014 Report Share Posted March 17, 2014 70m at 1J? If anyone buys a set and confirms that, these things are gonna sell like very hot, very tasty cakes. At 40$ plus shipping, I will get one for the AKM as soon as they hit HK shops Link to post Share on other sites
T.w.a.T. Posted March 17, 2014 Report Share Posted March 17, 2014 FFS, I was just about to buy a TK twist barrel, for one of my projects, and now I'm back to decision times. Link to post Share on other sites
Isamu Posted March 17, 2014 Report Share Posted March 17, 2014 LoL! welcome to airsoft, mate! Link to post Share on other sites
Algy Posted March 17, 2014 Report Share Posted March 17, 2014 So what is the theory behind this? Link to post Share on other sites
Isamu Posted March 17, 2014 Report Share Posted March 17, 2014 I bet, magic and japanese fairy dust like Marui In all seriousness, theory should be the almost the same as the Orga barrels coupled with somekind of BB stabilizer at the beguining of the barrel and some fancy c00l name Fortunatly they havent used anykind of bad albatroth achronim like most other brands do Link to post Share on other sites
renegadecow Posted March 17, 2014 Report Share Posted March 17, 2014 Here's hoping the performance increase doesn't stop at 1J like TK Twist barrels. Link to post Share on other sites
Isamu Posted March 17, 2014 Report Share Posted March 17, 2014 Hope it doesnt, but I believe the Orgas dont suffer from that fenomenon Link to post Share on other sites
Inq Eisenhorn Posted March 17, 2014 Report Share Posted March 17, 2014 Phenomenon Link to post Share on other sites
DWells55 Posted March 17, 2014 Report Share Posted March 17, 2014 Cheaper, from a known brand, and it includes a hop rubber? Sweet deal. I just want someone to do some proper scientific testing of FPS, range, and accuracy with a stock, tightbore, and widebore. There seems to be plenty of conjecture but not enough reliable data. Link to post Share on other sites
Roland1014 Posted March 17, 2014 Report Share Posted March 17, 2014 The black part is removable, the hop window is longer, and I hope they're using these to fund testing of a steel version. Link to post Share on other sites
j33v3s Posted March 17, 2014 Report Share Posted March 17, 2014 At $40 that's very competitive.The cross section looks interesting - wonder how far down that goes - I'm assuming just around the hop window, then opens up into a normal round barrel? Would definitely like to see a solid test comparing this to other barrels in the same set up (i.e. compare to a 6.03, 6.01, 6.04 and a TK all at 328FPS) - but would need to be a fairly stable and consistent build.I think someone did do a test like this with the TK and a TBB, seem to remember it was on a Canadian forum? Link to post Share on other sites
Katotaka Posted March 18, 2014 Report Share Posted March 18, 2014 A bit OT but I've just compared a TM OEM pistol barrel and a TK barrel on my G17. TK barrel shoots at lower FPS but flight trajectory seems more consistent, maybe just placebo effect instead of gyro or air cushion effect but I don't feel like switching back again. Conclusion: I would be buying one of those for the big *albatross* bore diameter Link to post Share on other sites
Horsem4n Posted March 18, 2014 Report Share Posted March 18, 2014 bout time we get an affordable wide bore option. also, their flat hop bucking is included only in the first batch as a promo thingy. oh, BTW, their available at Redwolf and probably everywhere else soon. 30USD and change. Link to post Share on other sites
LordElpus Posted March 18, 2014 Report Share Posted March 18, 2014 You loose fps with the TK because it's a 6.08 barrel where as the TMs tend to be 6.05 to tbe best of my knowledge. You are going to need some beefy springs for the 6.2mm bore of these new barrels to get desired fps Link to post Share on other sites
Horsem4n Posted March 18, 2014 Report Share Posted March 18, 2014 they say on the page 10%, but thats probably a 10% loss from Japanese standard FPS ratings. i have heard a loss of as much as 50 FPS with orga barrels over standard bores and US FPS ratings. i have not yet messed around with large bore barrels, so i cannot confirm. tread carefully. Link to post Share on other sites
emp3ror86 Posted March 18, 2014 Report Share Posted March 18, 2014 "Delta Strike" barrel. I love Japan. The barrel seems to be interesting, I will give it a try. I like the pricetag better than Orga's and Miracle barrels'. Link to post Share on other sites
intinerious Posted March 18, 2014 Report Share Posted March 18, 2014 Pics. http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y126/systematik/20140314_142647_zps527eaa02.jpg http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y126/systematik/20140314_142214_zpse5fa30ed.jpg http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y126/systematik/20140314_142113_zps2522bc2b.jpg http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y126/systematik/20140314_142037_zpse3e8cb0f.jpg http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y126/systematik/20140313_201551_zpsc435d3fe.jpg http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y126/systematik/20140313_201419_zps770ff48c.jpg http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y126/systematik/20140313_201352_zpsbd18a6ee.jpg http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y126/systematik/20140313_201210_zps05b7f9ad.jpg http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y126/systematik/20140313_201052_zps4ee59458.jpg http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y126/systematik/20140313_200803_zps5c62a916.jpg http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y126/systematik/20140313_200751_zps742c1b7a.jpg My mobile camera's messed up, ignore the pink lines....that stuff happens whenever the camera picks up too much light. Also, the TK barrels as I've heard works above 1J. Apparently whoever 'tested' the TK barrels and said that it doesn't work above 1J (that there were a lot of fliers) was because he used a significantly undervolumed air volume setup. If the bb's losing air near the end of the barrel and touches the side of the bore (with the 'rifling') you can see how it'll affect the flight trajectory once it leaves the barrel. Link to post Share on other sites
T.w.a.T. Posted March 18, 2014 Report Share Posted March 18, 2014 So, what I can see on these photos is, them 3 points, are only in the begging of the barrel, not through a hole length of the barrel, is it? Link to post Share on other sites
intinerious Posted March 18, 2014 Report Share Posted March 18, 2014 So, what I can see on these photos is, them 3 points, are only in the begging of the barrel, not through a hole length of the barrel, is it? Yup; the 2 point bb contact extends to the end of the hop window only; the rest is a smooth bore. Link to post Share on other sites
emp3ror86 Posted March 18, 2014 Report Share Posted March 18, 2014 I am really looking forward to reading your performance experiences regarding that barrel. Thanks for the pics! Link to post Share on other sites
T.w.a.T. Posted March 18, 2014 Report Share Posted March 18, 2014 Hm, that still can't convince me, that would be better than a TK twist one. Don't know, a bit confused now. Link to post Share on other sites
Rob15 Posted March 18, 2014 Report Share Posted March 18, 2014 You loose fps with the TK because it's a 6.08 barrel where as the TMs tend to be 6.05 to tbe best of my knowledge. Nope, stock TM barrels are 6.08mm, I've measured a number of my own TM barrels with an internal bore micrometer and they all read 6.08mm (+/-0.01mm), measuring the same barrels with a regular set of digital calipers puts them at about 6.04mm which is what most people seem to do but those are not accurate enough for measuring a part where the difference between stock and upgrade is usually around 0.04mm, probably why there are so many guns that apparantly have tightbores as standard. EDIT : Just realised I have a TK twist barrel from one of my USP .40 SDs, that reads as 6.08mm and 6.18mm between the grooves (+/- 0.01mm). Link to post Share on other sites
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