bankz5152 Posted July 17, 2014 Report Share Posted July 17, 2014 Hey chaps, Saw this over at the 'other place', ZeroIn.... Looks pretty interesting! I for one would like to know what kind of range it gets and if it would be allowed at MOD sites! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-X_Nwb-g5PU&app=desktop At £80 aswell very resonable price! Link to post Share on other sites
gisburn20 Posted July 17, 2014 Report Share Posted July 17, 2014 I wondered when someone would try this, I made a spring powered "m203" for my sons nerf gun a while back, launching conkers the length of my garden and beyond! But seriously, this looks well thought out and practical. I hope this becomes accepted at most sites, should be safer than throwing by hand as we all know about numpties who have managed to fumble a throw and take out their teammates! Jim. Link to post Share on other sites
BLZeebub Posted July 17, 2014 Report Share Posted July 17, 2014 I'm assuming the 'oops it went off before I launched it test' has been done whilst developing so id be interested in seeing what happens then. I'm still not a massive fan of not knowing where the pyro is landing as that has it's own H&S issues but fro milsim types I'm guessing they'd be happy. B-> Link to post Share on other sites
Aitch Posted July 17, 2014 Report Share Posted July 17, 2014 Why does a MOD site differ from non MOD sites? they're under exactly the same laws as we are, except the extra military laws that covers service personnel and their familes? Link to post Share on other sites
scorch Posted July 17, 2014 Report Share Posted July 17, 2014 I'm assuming the 'oops it went off before I launched it test' has been done whilst developing so id be interested in seeing what happens then. I'm still not a massive fan of not knowing where the pyro is landing as that has it's own H&S issues but fro milsim types I'm guessing they'd be happy. B-> How is this any different from a throw? I bet I could more accurately put pyro where I need it with this than by lobbing it old school. Shame it wasn't around when F&O had Upper Heyford. Link to post Share on other sites
blobface Posted July 17, 2014 Report Share Posted July 17, 2014 I'm hoping now that these guys are trying to get into the launcher grenade world they won't go on a vendetta to try to get rid of TAGs in the UK so they become the only option... pretty good idea though, just wish there's a striking strip (like on a weak spring loaded arm) they could add somehow to the front so it is lit as the mk5 exits. Link to post Share on other sites
gisburn20 Posted July 17, 2014 Report Share Posted July 17, 2014 I reckon this should be more accurate as it wont spin in flight the way most stick pyro does. I cant count the number of times someone near me has thrown "fizzy" pyro and bounced it of a tree to land right in front of them! Jim Link to post Share on other sites
PMO Gordo Posted July 17, 2014 Report Share Posted July 17, 2014 Nice idea. Based on my observation, there are some pros and cons: Pros: 1. Designed to launch the widely available (in UK) TLSFX Thunder Flash. Ammunition resupply should be easy in UK. 2. Spring-powered. No finicky O-rings to maintain as those in gas grenade shells. Cons: 1. TLSFX products are illegal in many fields in US. 2. Exposed trigger can be accidentally activated. 3. Designed only to launch Thunder Flash, unlike traditional launchers which can shoot a great variety of projectiles. 4. Firing rate is slow. The user needs to drop the rifle on the ground, shove a Thunder Flash down the muzzle, re-shoulder the rifle to fire. With the TAG system, one can fire 5-6 more rounds in the same period. Regarding the second con, I think the designer should consider adopting the Polish MSBS grenade launcher trigger mechanism as shown below. This way, the user will still be able to fire with his supporting hand. Link to post Share on other sites
Dagonet Posted July 17, 2014 Report Share Posted July 17, 2014 First thought PIAT and how good those where Second thought, £80 + pyro or just spaff £80 on loads and loads of pyro.......hmmm loads more Third thought, i assume in case of a malf or failure to fire, from the unit or the operator or pyro, that the launcher will contain and direct the blast if one goes bang in the tube. Fourth thought, cheaper than bb nade launchers. Like it, looks fun, until we see some real testing i will assume i can throw further. Could be entertaining and practical for urban games, wouldn't buy one, not for me. But nice to see somethng new. Link to post Share on other sites
Boom3r Posted July 17, 2014 Report Share Posted July 17, 2014 Looks as ugly as F***. Don't think I'll bother. Link to post Share on other sites
hitmanNo2 Posted July 17, 2014 Report Share Posted July 17, 2014 So. Has the law changed? I thought launching pyro like this was not on? Link to post Share on other sites
Rob15 Posted July 17, 2014 Report Share Posted July 17, 2014 Nice idea. Based on my observation, there are some pros and cons: Pros: 1. Designed to launch the widely available (in UK) TLSFX Thunder Flash. Ammunition resupply should be easy in UK. Cons: 1. TLSFX products are illegal in many fields in US. I'd say it's obviously designed with the UK market in mind, and any sales outside the UK just being a bonus. The bigger issue I see is the historical trend of variation in the size of Mk5 thunderflashes, hopefully TLSFX keep the diameter consistant enough for this to be usable in the long term. 2. Exposed trigger can be accidentally activated. Is that much of an issue? Firing an unlit Mk5 by accident is going to be little more than an annoyance and potentially £2 lost, plus it does have a safety. Regarding the second con, I think the designer should consider adopting the Polish MSBS grenade launcher trigger mechanism as shown below. This way, the user will still be able to fire with his supporting hand. It's probably a bit late for that, it's been designed, tested and put on sale, I'm sure F&O will be wanting to recoup their R&D costs and make a profit on it before they bin the design for something else. Pretty cool anyway, but too late for me, my days of having any disposable income to spend on single use pyros are long gone. Link to post Share on other sites
gisburn20 Posted July 17, 2014 Report Share Posted July 17, 2014 Wasnt the original legal issue the use of a propellant to launch pyro? As this is spring powered thats one issue avoided. Just need to see site owners response to this. Sites have banned simpler stuff before, some wont allow GBBR's or gas smg's for example. Jim Link to post Share on other sites
Dagonet Posted July 17, 2014 Report Share Posted July 17, 2014 Gisburn is on the nail there, await site owners response. just found out some of the new sites i get to explore have a blanket ban on CO2 anything, so no dirty great big revolver fun. I am not a mil simmer, i assume mil sim days are quiet a different bunch to your average hi-cap walk on dayers. I would expect more serious gaming venues accepting. I would expect the average hi-cap day venues to be more wary. Either way, i still think it's exciting and step up........and damned safer than using a gas tube, which i have seen on youtube :0 Link to post Share on other sites
gisburn20 Posted July 17, 2014 Report Share Posted July 17, 2014 Well I have shared the video and asked the question on UCAP's facebook, I will see what the boss man says. Jim Link to post Share on other sites
bankz5152 Posted July 17, 2014 Author Report Share Posted July 17, 2014 If you check over on ZeroIn thread someone actually dug uo the legalities of it. 100% legal according to what the found. Im personally *suitcase* at throwing and would love one of these. Hopefully they develop a different version that can launch different pyros, smokes for sure! Link to post Share on other sites
BLZeebub Posted July 17, 2014 Report Share Posted July 17, 2014 How is this any different from a throw? I bet I could more accurately put pyro where I need it with this than by lobbing it old school. Shame it wasn't around when F&O had Upper Heyford. My point was im not a fan of any pyro throw where you cant see where it will land whether by hand spring or anything else. The promo video specifically showed a launch where you couldnt see the landing place. Hence the suggestion of it being more milsim orientated. As with most things in airsoft would you want the lowest common denominator using it? B-) Link to post Share on other sites
Manxmadman Posted July 17, 2014 Report Share Posted July 17, 2014 But at the same time, if you assume milsim guys, as well as having a different playstyle to regular skirmishes, probably also care more than the average airsofter about how their kit looks as well as works, this is one ugly looking mofo. RIS mounted M203's always looked odd to start with, then there is the addition of this which lacks the regular style trigger, is kind of stumpy looking, and has the serrated trigger mech. Kudos for creating it, but it would have been better in a nicer package. Maybe that'll come later if this first version is successful. Link to post Share on other sites
Dagonet Posted July 17, 2014 Report Share Posted July 17, 2014 Golden rule of airsoft Always let someone else buy the first gen product to beta test in the field Link to post Share on other sites
LordElpus Posted July 18, 2014 Report Share Posted July 18, 2014 This system is pretty simple and doesn't propel the mk5 any further than throwing. Where this does help is where most players totally fail. Throwing them through windows/doors/corridors. Link to post Share on other sites
scorch Posted July 18, 2014 Report Share Posted July 18, 2014 How long before someone upgrades the spring in it then? Link to post Share on other sites
gisburn20 Posted July 18, 2014 Report Share Posted July 18, 2014 Seeing how hard you have to push the pyro against the floor in the video, I dont think you would be able to upgrade much! Jim. Link to post Share on other sites
BLZeebub Posted July 18, 2014 Report Share Posted July 18, 2014 I'm not so sure using the pyro to set the spring is a good idea as there's a fairly good chance of knackering the pyro itself I'd have thought. B-> Link to post Share on other sites
PureSilver Posted July 18, 2014 Report Share Posted July 18, 2014 I've not handled a Mk. 5 in a long time, but they're constructed like an Estes model rocket - a very thick cardboard case stuffed with powder. The cardboard should be more than capable of resisting that sort of compression. I do agree with the others, though, in that I'm not sure I really see a target market for this. It's not really expensive but it's not cheap - you could buy fifty Mk. 5s for the same money - especially for a very niche item of quite limited utility. I doubt many milsimmers would be happy with such an ugly, plastic approximation of an M203 slung under their £1,500 PTW... Link to post Share on other sites
bankz5152 Posted July 18, 2014 Author Report Share Posted July 18, 2014 Very true. Though I do like the innovation of the device, I mean as far as I know F&O have never made something before.... I love the concept bit of work on their part to get it looking more like a 203 or anyting UGL and you've got a much wider market. Though I expect they havnt done this just yet to gauge the response it gets as well as where it can and cannot be used around the UK. I mean if it where to be allowed at 70% of the sites around the UK and enough interest whos to say they (or anyone else) wont make different versions of it. The looks dont bother me in the slightest, if it was £50 i'd buy one right now. As I said im terrible at throwing Pyro so me spending that £80 on pyro at least half or more would be wasted, where as with this I would be much more likely to get them on target. Especially if trying to throw through a small doorway! Link to post Share on other sites
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