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[annoyingknowitalld-bag]Well, the AG ones will be copies of the War Sport, which is similar to what G&P have done but the original product doesn't have the 20mm underneath, the QD sling mounts, the elongated holes running parallel to and directly underneath the 12 o/clock rail or any KeyMod at the sides and the general profile is slightly different accordingly.

 

I was so *fruitcage* annoyed at that SAI receiver set when I checked the G&P site the other day that I banished the fact of its' existence from my memory.

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Real gun is a 14.5" barrel and 16" (I seem to recall) rail with rifle length gas system. The rail seen on most SAI guns up until now have been the Warsport LVOA rail which they sold to SAI. It's Warsport's design and copyright ... although the term "LVOA" itself belongs to SAI, as LVOA is supposed to be a "standard" defined by SAI that products must meet. All future SAI rifles are supposed to ship with their own SAI rail (which is functionally and aesthetically somewhat similar to WarSports').

 

Having shot the real gun a few times, it's not my cup of tea, but it's interesting and different enough that I could see how it would have a lot of Airsoft appeal.

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That's because most Airsoft manufacturers and airsofters are unaware of the design philosophy of the Warsport LVOA rail. It's not supposed to be a wire/rebar cutter. The extended rail portions along the top and bottom at the front of the rail are supposed to (1) protect the rifle length gas system which is extremely close to the end of the barrel (like barely 1/2" from the start of the threading), (2) allow the user as much rail space as possible for either support grip and/or accessory attachments, (3) reduce the amount of upwards flash that would possibly affect the user's sight picture.

 

People (including 99% RS shooters) don't realize how finicky of a design the SAI 14.5" rifle length gas system is. The gas system itself isn't a standard 12 o'oclock index. It's timed at a very specific angle in order to allow the gun to run consistently (which is extremely difficult given the extreme reduction in gas going back into the gun). If a real SAI gun ever had to be rebarreled, it would have to be done by SAI themselves because only they have the tooling necessary to do the precise timing. In summary, that is why the rail is designed the way it is, first and foremost to protect the gas block.

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People (including 99% RS shooters) don't realize how finicky of a design the SAI 14.5" rifle length gas system is. The gas system itself isn't a standard 12 o'oclock index. It's timed at a very specific angle in order to allow the gun to run consistently (which is extremely difficult given the extreme reduction in gas going back into the gun).

 

I have to ask - what's the intended benefit of this finicky and complex adaption of a formerly simple and reliable part of the DGI AR-15 design? What was wrong with fitting carbine-length gas systems to carbine-length barrels? I see in some of the reviews they noted a reduction in BCG speed, allegedly reducing recoil and component wear, but they also noted that it wouldn't cycle 52gr ammunition reliably as a direct result. That seems like a real pain in the *albatross* for not much benefit.

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The mid-length is very popular for its' lessened recoil/muzzle rise, if you're trying to push those properties to the very maximum then the longer the gas tube the better.  You can very nearly grip the gun at the actual muzzle device with the LVOA rail, which provides for the most possible physical control.  All adds up.

 

End of the day it's clearly a specific setup for the achievement of a specific goal and the cost of certain disadvantages.  There's not a lot that hasn't been done with an AR at this point, there's only so many places left to go.

 

Apart from anything, if you're a business making ARs and you want to get exposure and popularity you're probably going to need to do something that nobody else is doing.  As you'll know, with any product the closer you get to the limitations of the system/design/materials the more it costs to make any gains.  For the lurkers; example: A 1 MOA bolt gun costs (plucking numbers completely from thin air) $700, a 1/2 MOA costs maybe $2000 and a 1/4 costs $5000 etc.

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I have to ask - what's the intended benefit of this finicky and complex adaption of a formerly simple and reliable part of the DGI AR-15 design? What was wrong with fitting carbine-length gas systems to carbine-length barrels? I see in some of the reviews they noted a reduction in BCG speed, allegedly reducing recoil and component wear, but they also noted that it wouldn't cycle 52gr ammunition reliably as a direct result. That seems like a real pain in the *albatross* for not much benefit.

The longer the gas system the softer shooting the gun is. Which results in less push back and more importantly less muzzle sway and therefore the shooter can have faster more accurate follow up shots. That said, to me it didn't feel noticeably softer than a 14.5" barrel with a midlength gas system.

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I think with both AEG's and the AR15 platform we are at the edge of possible performance and without a radical change in the basic technology your going to have to invest alot into either platform and the returns your going to get are going to get proportionately smaller and smaller, as you say USCM its not that much difference to a normal 14.5" barrel with a mid length gas tube. Still I think it looks very cool and as this is airsoft thats what counts lol

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