chas Posted August 11, 2014 Report Share Posted August 11, 2014 Note that I capitalized the word PROJECT, in hopes of not getting people too excited ("too excited" is probably an understatement, though). EBB front page features a picture of the RS gun and is asking for "Regional Exclusive Agents" to contact them. I assume they are looking for someone to sublicense to them? I know that is weird for an ACM company to do. But if they are looking for someonr to just take pics an meassurements, why not get in tocuh with a private owner of such a gun? Any ideas? http://ebairsoft.com/ Link to post Share on other sites
scorch Posted August 11, 2014 Report Share Posted August 11, 2014 Haven't Socom Gear got one of these in the pipeline? Link to post Share on other sites
chas Posted August 11, 2014 Author Report Share Posted August 11, 2014 http://arniesairsoft.co.uk/forums/index.php?/topic/205886-madbull-ksg-100-msrp/ Link to post Share on other sites
renegadecow Posted August 11, 2014 Report Share Posted August 11, 2014 Sounds more like looking for distributors to me, but even that sounds funny since they ship globally anyway. Link to post Share on other sites
chas Posted August 11, 2014 Author Report Share Posted August 11, 2014 The question remains: do they have a working gun yet? Will it be a CA870 clone (singleshot, hand cocking)? Link to post Share on other sites
Brigg Posted August 11, 2014 Report Share Posted August 11, 2014 well, as far as I know, isn't it supposed to be a pump? I don't think the real one is a semi auto. Single shot would stink though, I think we can safely say with the past years worth of new shotguns that the single shot springer shotgun at least *should be* a thing of the past. Link to post Share on other sites
Dr.Arnie Posted August 11, 2014 Report Share Posted August 11, 2014 Does the add reffer specifically to the ksg or to ebairsoft? Seems that if it was specific to the gun they would have a lot more info and seems strange that they would just be for the gun and no other projects, not worth the paperwork realy. Maybe there looking to have stores more localy? @Brigg, you are right, it is a pump only and I hope that whoever makes it doesn't make it single shot, will just be pointless. It'll be a case of, "look at this brand new ar, it functions just like the rest but now it has a new trigger!" Lame! I'd settle for a spring tri shot, like TM but doubt it for the price madbull had advertised. Link to post Share on other sites
blobface Posted August 12, 2014 Report Share Posted August 12, 2014 Well considering the tri-shot clones can be found for as low as $50 usd... if they pretty much just stick the same internals in and the rest are more or less a cosmetic shell with a few mod to the mechanism, I can see $100 being feasible, but then again you'd think they would charge more to begin with? Link to post Share on other sites
cazboab Posted August 12, 2014 Report Share Posted August 12, 2014 The more i think about it the more I hope its a trishot clone with the ammo hidden in the piston grip in a 60 ish round mag, that would shift the workey bits forward enough to put a gas tank in the back. However I suspect it'll be a single shot, and/or the $100 rrp will never be spoken of again... Link to post Share on other sites
chas Posted August 12, 2014 Author Report Share Posted August 12, 2014 blobface, on 12 Aug 2014 - 10:19 AM, said:Well considering the tri-shot clones can be found for as low as $50 usd... if they pretty much just stick the same internals in and the rest are more or less a cosmetic shell with a few mod to the mechanism, I can see $100 being feasible, but then again you'd think they would charge more to begin with? Exactly what I was going to say. Plus, the KSG is mostly plastic on the outside, so... Link to post Share on other sites
renegadecow Posted August 12, 2014 Report Share Posted August 12, 2014 Maybe shoot them an e-mail posing as a "regional exclusive agent" to get to the bottom of this? Link to post Share on other sites
swatti Posted August 15, 2014 Report Share Posted August 15, 2014 Post some pics, nothing on ebair-site or the madbull topic... I hope to god that won't be a plastic tri-shot, there is a many problems in those as there is moving parts. What we need is skirmishable metal made shotguns, if pump-action, preferably spring operated. There's a dozen ways to do the tri-shot system better then the current tm-based carbage. Link to post Share on other sites
Brigg Posted August 15, 2014 Report Share Posted August 15, 2014 I think the best option would be gas powered personally, but its unlikely. If I were to place a bet, I would say its just a standard tri-shot springer in another body. Maybe its a single shot though, I wouldn't be surprised. Link to post Share on other sites
swatti Posted August 16, 2014 Report Share Posted August 16, 2014 Gas has tendency to leak, wont work in the cold, pressure can change due to cooldown and lead to FPS loss or unstable hopup... Then theres gas aviability, price, its up to 30 euros a bottle here. Pros id say are merely lighter pump-action. Link to post Share on other sites
DeltaZero Posted August 16, 2014 Report Share Posted August 16, 2014 30 Euro a bottle!?!?! JESUS! Link to post Share on other sites
Rob15 Posted August 16, 2014 Report Share Posted August 16, 2014 Gas has tendency to leak, wont work in the cold, pressure can change due to cooldown and lead to FPS loss or unstable hopup... Then theres gas aviability, price, its up to 30 euros a bottle here. Finland is a pretty small country in the grand scheme of airsoft, I doubt any manufacturer will look at what people there need as a priority, if people in America and Asia don't suffer the same problems then I suspect you're out of luck getting what you want, unless you put the money in and do it yourself. Link to post Share on other sites
blobface Posted August 16, 2014 Report Share Posted August 16, 2014 It's 30 HKD a bottle in Hong Kong... and I thought £6 a bottle was bad. Link to post Share on other sites
swatti Posted August 16, 2014 Report Share Posted August 16, 2014 I find myself screaming "WHYYYY!!" quite often seeing the utterly stupid designs we have to spend too much money fixing so I'm quite used to disappointments by now. Still I dare say a simple spring system would be easiest to design, upgrade and produce. Once I'm a proper millionaire il design and build you guys more than just shotguns Link to post Share on other sites
renegadecow Posted August 17, 2014 Report Share Posted August 17, 2014 I can't help but sympathize with you there man. Beats me why nobody's combined the rear end of a TM springer and the front end of a gas Marushin. Link to post Share on other sites
Brigg Posted August 17, 2014 Report Share Posted August 17, 2014 I find myself screaming "WHYYYY!!" quite often seeing the utterly stupid designs we have to spend too much money fixing so I'm quite used to disappointments by now. Still I dare say a simple spring system would be easiest to design, upgrade and produce. Once I'm a proper millionaire il design and build you guys more than just shotguns And I still say green gas or c02 powered designs are still the most practical and skirmishable shotgun designs. Spring powered pumps have horrible action tensions and are nearly unusable in a game. Theres no way around that without reducing the propulsion spring and therefor the fps (without reduction which would likely up the price). Im surprised though that incredibly simple c02 designs like the "Walther SG9000" never went anywhere considering the simplicity, and the 88 gram c02 tank. In either case, I believe everyone will probably be disappointed by this new gun, because Im pessimistic about anything announced on a retail website with no manufacturer info. I dont have any new information, But I just get the feeling that its an old design in a new shell. Like all those useless G&Ps out there. Link to post Share on other sites
renegadecow Posted August 17, 2014 Report Share Posted August 17, 2014 Like all those useless G&Ps out there. I wouldn't go as far as to call them useless. Low points for providing a shotgun feel, but they work well as sniper rifles. Link to post Share on other sites
Imperator Posted August 17, 2014 Report Share Posted August 17, 2014 I have to disagree on the usability of pump actions.I usually run one as primary, mostly on outdoor games, against aegs and I get several "kills" at ranges from 10 to 25 meters. It's just a question of getting in a little closer.That said, due the simplicity of the design, I jump in the springer Kel-Tec wagon! Link to post Share on other sites
swatti Posted August 17, 2014 Report Share Posted August 17, 2014 I've heard LOT of bad about the G&P:s but not so much about the original Mz-based models. I can't deny it, they have their faults and that's using plastic. Ironicly the acm-clones fixed one major fault in the loading-nozzle by using metal. I run M870 based on that mz-design and over the years I've CNC'd all the parts from steel making the gun virtually indestructible. Cast aluminum would suffice in most parts and you still wouldn't be able to break it simply shooting it. Sadly it only shoots one bb so it does indeed function more like a light sniper. Shooting at 120m/s I can go toe-to-toe against any AEG knowing mine hits where I aim it. Also mine has MUCH lighter pump-action compared to say, tm or its clones. Here's how I see this: Tm-based tri-shot = worst case scenario, not gonna touch it with a stick. If cheap, may end up being popular Mz-based 1shot = VERY good compromise, wont be a huge hit tho. Will be in my collection if full metal. Multishot Gas system = popular, huge hit if good tech. Will be in my collection if full metal. New spring multishot = if good tech, potential to revolutionize the whole class of guns... GIEF! NOW! Link to post Share on other sites
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