Wingmann Posted November 26, 2014 Report Share Posted November 26, 2014 I haven't investigated them beyond watching the video, but it seems they have some interesting stuff. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UujfDB0Ftdg Link to post Share on other sites
hitmanNo2 Posted November 26, 2014 Report Share Posted November 26, 2014 I'm liking the grenade with the red LED. Very HL2. No doubt this stuff won't be available to us though. Link to post Share on other sites
Danke Posted November 26, 2014 Report Share Posted November 26, 2014 Looks like these stacked together. Link to post Share on other sites
kojak Posted November 26, 2014 Report Share Posted November 26, 2014 They've been out for a while, but the prices are intended for tax spenders, not taxpayers: https://www.gsaadvantage.gov/ref_text/GS07F0306T/0JPAF9.2CAC9I_GS-07F-0306T_GSAPRICING2011.PDF KHG1 --Hand Grenade Simulation Kit - Includes 12 HG1 Hand Grenade Simulators, 1 RKHG1 Consumable Pack 36 detonation expendable refill kit --$ 4,976.55 RKHG1--36 detonation Expendable Refill Kit for HG1--$646.05 That's about $415 each for a grenade with three detonations, and $18 per bang for refills. Odds are they cost more now since I think this is before they added the MILES lights. Link to post Share on other sites
GI0VANNI Posted November 27, 2014 Report Share Posted November 27, 2014 The land mine reminds me strongly the ones you had available for really cheap in "airsoftbazar" some time ago (45€?), home made bla bla bla but same principe, pvc tubing, co2 cartridge and powder (strongly recommend the blue/yellow powder used to mark in masonry work as it is really hard to remove). the wire traps seem to need a really strong pull, good ideas but prohibitive prices, search for the article about a "used bicycle tire really safe hand grenade that is just 2 wooden bricks the tube and a co2 cartridge for you all folks, and free!!" and will get much more for your money Link to post Share on other sites
Skarclaw Posted November 27, 2014 Report Share Posted November 27, 2014 One for sites not skirmishers I think. Link to post Share on other sites
hitmanNo2 Posted November 27, 2014 Report Share Posted November 27, 2014 Holy . I expected expensive, but that is madness. Maybe I should get into the tactical training equipment lark and then charge Governments an arm and leg for stuff ha ha. Link to post Share on other sites
paranoiddroid Posted November 27, 2014 Report Share Posted November 27, 2014 That's blatantly just that m12 mechanism with a retard tier price tag I would love to have a few to augment my blank fire traps. Maybe buy some wired dets as well to use for booby trapping Link to post Share on other sites
ninja master of coffee Posted November 28, 2014 Report Share Posted November 28, 2014 I didn't think these guys even sold stuff to the general public? Not that it makes much difference at those prices. Good images for prop making references though. Link to post Share on other sites
scorch Posted November 28, 2014 Report Share Posted November 28, 2014 Good images for prop making references though. Yes. To the hardware store! Link to post Share on other sites
hitmanNo2 Posted November 28, 2014 Report Share Posted November 28, 2014 And do your best trying to not look like your buying stuff to make pipe bombs whilst buying stuff to make replica pipe bombs ha ha. Link to post Share on other sites
scorch Posted November 28, 2014 Report Share Posted November 28, 2014 Always a consideration. TBH I'm sure half of my internet purchase history has me on a watch list of some kind anyway. Link to post Share on other sites
hitmanNo2 Posted November 28, 2014 Report Share Posted November 28, 2014 #airsoftproblems Link to post Share on other sites
shmook Posted November 28, 2014 Report Share Posted November 28, 2014 Am I the only one whose disappointed they these are not glow stick type things. Possibly similar to the ones used in one of the 'blade' films? Cyalume technologies? Meh. Link to post Share on other sites
renegadecow Posted November 29, 2014 Report Share Posted November 29, 2014 How the heck could a single refill for the grenades cost $18?!? I mean, its just CO2 with at best some hypoallergenic black powder right? Then again M4s by Colt cost nearly double compared to clones but the government keeps contracting them anyway. Link to post Share on other sites
scorch Posted November 29, 2014 Report Share Posted November 29, 2014 Cyalume technologies? Meh. A Company with a name based on the original cheap product they sold that has branched out... Clearly they're the new Magpul. Link to post Share on other sites
paranoiddroid Posted November 30, 2014 Report Share Posted November 30, 2014 Go price for an m4 is something like 300-500 dollars RC theit price is *fruitcage* amazing compared to retail. Especially as they get mags and a sling and spares with it. Link to post Share on other sites
renegadecow Posted November 30, 2014 Report Share Posted November 30, 2014 Wait, what? I thought they were going around $2-3k and that's already LE pricing. In contrast, government contracted TAR21s cost around $1,500 each and that's over here at least. Link to post Share on other sites
paranoiddroid Posted November 30, 2014 Report Share Posted November 30, 2014 http://gearscout.militarytimes.com/2012/04/20/us-army-places-order-for-24000-m4-carbines-with-remington/ that's the rem n contract for us forces but there were issues with that to do with COLT taking them to court http://www.guns.com/2013/02/26/fn-lands-army-m4-contract-underbids-colt-remington/ The current contract is with FNH but they now can't legally sell an m4 style civi rifle which is why the FN guns for civi sale don't have CHF barrels. Basically Colt managed to get a really nasty clause into the contract which states the TDP can't be used to give a company an advantage in civilian sales. So if FNH ever make a rifle similar to the TDP (CHF barrel parked under the gas block, pinned and staked gas key etc etc) Colt will *fruitcage* them seven ways till Sunday The systen can be crazy good or crazy expensive depending on what is bought. Knights Armament sr25's are only 5k a pop because of the fact their contract says that they can't charge anyone less than what the DOD pay. Because the contract includes parts and training for armours and stuff like that the unit price is crazy high but the clause is related to the unit price not the breakdown of costs. Link to post Share on other sites
renegadecow Posted November 30, 2014 Report Share Posted November 30, 2014 That's a pretty rotten deal. Aren't civilian sales actually larger in volume compared to military contracts? But I guess they can still make up for it in other branches of government as well as exports. But then they'll have to contend against those Norinco M4s that are as cheap as AKs. Link to post Share on other sites
paranoiddroid Posted November 30, 2014 Report Share Posted November 30, 2014 The problem is ITAR wrt exports and the us weapons system procurement I'd protected from most international competition by the Berry ammendment. (Basically there's a need for us mil suppliers to produce stuff in the us or other approved countries. Berretta for example had to produce the m9's in the us) Starting a factory is prohibitively expensive. Plus getting deals and contracts is more about what deals are made than price. Berretta got the contract because congress wanted bases in italIan territory, the sig won the trial and the DOD awarded the contract to them but we're overruled by congress. Look at the new program for a replacement. S&W are working with General Dynamics on their entry because GD have experience in government procurement and defense contracts. They will win because GD have the contacts and senators who owe them/want cushy jobs when they leave gov. It's like the reason most of the big arms factories are in northern states with high taxes and strong unions. Because the senators and reps have enough power to destroy companies that move. Boeing got crucuffed recently by the labour board a supposedly independent arbitrator when they shut one factory line and moved production to another factory in a right to work state that was also (no ability to be forced to join a union if working in a unionised shop.) They were forced to bring the line back online and re hire everyone because they argued it was unethical and an attempt to break the union. It was done because the reps in the area wanted the jobs to stay and had the power to do it. The union pating the reps off with campaign funds and support and the 'independent' arbitrator run by ex union bosses. it's not about the best deal it's about how many jobs that official can 'bring to his constituency' it's all about the 'pork' that the contract brings to an area Link to post Share on other sites
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