Sallinen Posted December 12, 2014 Report Share Posted December 12, 2014 Dang my gravings for a modern full steel 1911 have awakened yet again. This time looking even better and price still remotely reasonable. Maybe I should start making my "collection" smaller, do I really need all them long guns when I dont have a proper pistol? Link to post Share on other sites
Finbarqs Posted December 12, 2014 Report Share Posted December 12, 2014 looks like/sounds like my inokatsu 1911 with a MEU mag... MEU mags are the suck they all leaked on me... But i'm crossing my fingers they did something to improve on the ino 1911 Link to post Share on other sites
blobface Posted December 12, 2014 Author Report Share Posted December 12, 2014 It must be bad luck (or really good luck for me?), I've had my KJ style MEU mags since they were released just under 2 years ago... and they still haven't leaked. *I ordered the gun from UN instead of Redwolf... I'm not sure about what to make of that decision. Link to post Share on other sites
wolfgeorge Posted December 12, 2014 Report Share Posted December 12, 2014 Don't why I'm not impressed..!!If the price is under $1500 would worth it .. But if it's again in the $2300+... well... I'll only see the photo's on the net! Wolf Link to post Share on other sites
blobface Posted December 12, 2014 Author Report Share Posted December 12, 2014 If the price is under $1500 would worth it .. Dude, you're way late, it's $1280 confirmed. It should sit nicely next to your Raptor II / God knows what else in your collection. Link to post Share on other sites
wolfgeorge Posted December 12, 2014 Report Share Posted December 12, 2014 LoL.. I didn't saw the price!But still Don't like Nighthawk that much! I currently have 6 steel 1911 and 2011. Wolf Link to post Share on other sites
Wingmann Posted December 13, 2014 Report Share Posted December 13, 2014 I currently have 6 steel 1911 and 2011. It's about time you hit that sales subforum again! Link to post Share on other sites
Bovinedog Posted December 13, 2014 Report Share Posted December 13, 2014 As soon as I saw the price of it, I thought yep, blobface is getting that. Look forward to having a go Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Link to post Share on other sites
garry Posted December 14, 2014 Report Share Posted December 14, 2014 As nice as some of these are, the price is simply farcical. I mean RS Les Baer's start at around $1700, where the materials are far higher quality and the guns hand fitted and fettled. It's not like the Baer's are churned out in their thousands to keep the price down either. Link to post Share on other sites
blobface Posted December 14, 2014 Author Report Share Posted December 14, 2014 Many ARs cost less than PTWs... almost all 870s cost less than the APS or Marui version... most Mosin Nagant cost 1/3 or 1/4 of the airsoft version by Zeta Lab.... the price of this replica really isn't that bad, especially for Redwolf standards.. Baer's been in business for more than 20 35 years with full time staff, and they do make them in the thousands, apples and oranges really. Link to post Share on other sites
jal3 Posted December 14, 2014 Report Share Posted December 14, 2014 RS pistols have a lot more energy to work with. Link to post Share on other sites
garry Posted December 14, 2014 Report Share Posted December 14, 2014 Many ARs cost less than PTWs... almost all 870s cost less than the APS or Marui version... most Mosin Nagant cost 1/3 or 1/4 of the airsoft version by Zeta Lab.... the price of this replica really isn't that bad, especially for Redwolf standards.. Baer's been in business for more than 20 35 years with full time staff, and they do make them in the thousands, apples and oranges really. I see what you're saying, but it just doesn't wash with me really. Yes, Baer makes thousands, but over what time period? The materials will be of a much higher standard for a start to cope with the pressures and stress created. For example, the steels would be of a specific composition and hardness / temper. If you look at this vid, you'll see what goes into making the Baers, and we're meant to pay circa the same for an airsoft? - I don't think so. Not dissing the Nighthawk shown, I dare say it's very good and fair play to any of you guys who buy one. However, I'm certainly dissing the ludicrous price for what it is... Link to post Share on other sites
NonEx Posted December 14, 2014 Report Share Posted December 14, 2014 Not this gain Link to post Share on other sites
Danke Posted December 14, 2014 Report Share Posted December 14, 2014 I think SRP has gone up a tad since that was filmed. Here's how it works guys. You all get super pumped about this and buy up all the pre-orders, tick off the notify when restocked and so on. Then the first run sells out and RW commits to building a tonne more. Then no one buys anthing. They sit in stock till the price gets chopped in half and the rest of us can spring like a legion of trap door spiders. Link to post Share on other sites
Sallinen Posted December 14, 2014 Report Share Posted December 14, 2014 Dankes idea is great! I'd love to pick it up for half the price Link to post Share on other sites
Rob15 Posted December 14, 2014 Report Share Posted December 14, 2014 If you look at this vid, you'll see what goes into making the Baers, and we're meant to pay circa the same for an airsoft? - I don't think so. Actually I'd say that video shows very little about what goes into making them, unless I missed something I didn't see a single part actually being manufactured, only fitted and finished, materials and fitting are only half the story, without knowing how both are actually making the parts and the volumes I don't think it's at all possible to really compare the retail prices properly. Link to post Share on other sites
Danke Posted December 14, 2014 Report Share Posted December 14, 2014 What you can see in the video are a lot of people. People like that aren't cheap. And if one of those guys gets a bit too happy with a file or grinder that's a frame, slide and the other fitted parts into the scrap pile. Hand made in the USA is about the worst thing you can do if the plan is to churn out product and rake in profits. Link to post Share on other sites
jal3 Posted December 14, 2014 Report Share Posted December 14, 2014 You'd think that they would be able to manufacture parts that fit together already. Seems odd. Perhaps it's because they're not high volume on specific models, but rather many models made to spec? Link to post Share on other sites
garry Posted December 14, 2014 Report Share Posted December 14, 2014 Many of the parts are made oversize on purpose. This is so they can be hand honed to fit, to achieve as little tolerance as possible. This aids in accuracy and gives a very tight lock up. Link to post Share on other sites
hitmanNo2 Posted December 14, 2014 Report Share Posted December 14, 2014 So Prime kits are true to RS when they won't even fit the rails out of the box heh. Link to post Share on other sites
garry Posted December 14, 2014 Report Share Posted December 14, 2014 So Prime kits are true to RS when they won't even fit the rails out of the box heh. Ha.. I doubt Prime do it on purpose though! Link to post Share on other sites
hitmanNo2 Posted December 14, 2014 Report Share Posted December 14, 2014 Agreed ha. Though to be fair it only happens occasionally I've found. Link to post Share on other sites
garry Posted December 14, 2014 Report Share Posted December 14, 2014 Actually I'd say that video shows very little about what goes into making them, unless I missed something I didn't see a single part actually being manufactured, only fitted and finished, materials and fitting are only half the story, without knowing how both are actually making the parts and the volumes I don't think it's at all possible to really compare the retail prices properly. Even if both RWA and Baer outsource the manufacture of the components to specialist machining companies, the components for the RS are always going to be higher quality. I doubt RWA have 20+ highly skilled and highly paid gunsmiths sitting there precision fitting and finishing the parts either. Not forgetting the RS in that video go through a time consuming bluing process as well, rather than just getting a cheapo coat of thin paint! Then there's the hand checkering and so on...... Sorry, will never be convinced the price is justified. However, in saying this, we don't know how much the retailers like Redwolf are paying for these. For all we know the issue may just be them using a huge ott mark-up? Link to post Share on other sites
hitmanNo2 Posted December 14, 2014 Report Share Posted December 14, 2014 They would obviously sell a load more if they ordered 10 times as many to be able to drop the price but part of me thinks they want to keep the batches small to keep the prices high to give the illusion of exclusivity. Link to post Share on other sites
garry Posted December 14, 2014 Report Share Posted December 14, 2014 They would obviously sell a load more if they ordered 10 times as many to be able to drop the price but part of me thinks they want to keep the batches small to keep the prices high to give the illusion of exclusivity. That wouldn't surprise me at all. If these were in the region of $500 or less, they would sell by the bucket load I would imagine. Link to post Share on other sites
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