blobface Posted December 14, 2014 Author Report Share Posted December 14, 2014 This gun isn't expensive for what it is in its circumstances, it just isn't, like I said, I'm usually one to jump on the bandwagon of RW being crazy with their prices, especially when they are also known to create "custom" $2000-3000 IPSC full aluminium guns that on paper is far inferior to this. This gun's asking price isn't far off what RA-Tech asked for their batch 1 Kimber Royal II (which, at $950+, had lots of stock KJW parts), or Inokatsu's 1911, which has very loose tolerance (which you could argue so did the rs 1911 they were replicating). Over the years, high end airsoft 1911's prices have been coming down, and it will only continue to do so, if we were to imagine something like this to exist 10 years ago, the prices wouldn't be anywhere near this. Whether or not you can justify spending this much money on what is essentially a toy gun is entirely based on your priorities, I'm not arguing $1280 is not a lot of money, it is, especially for a toy, but if you compare to all the existing "high end" full steel 1911s out there, its price is fair. It should be quite telling that this is not ludicrously overpriced when someone like Wolfgeorge, who owns pretty much all the rare airsoft 1911s that exist, thought this gun is only "worth it" if it's under $1500, and turns out it's $1280. Link to post Share on other sites
garry Posted December 14, 2014 Report Share Posted December 14, 2014 I understand what you're saying and fair points. However, it just makes me think that most of the high end 1911's are overpriced. Perhaps this one not by as much though, but still overpriced. As I said, it's a nice gun and fair play to anyone who buys one. I'm sure it's great and will be enjoyed... Me, I'll just wait until they start to pop up s/h... Link to post Share on other sites
icolater Posted December 15, 2014 Report Share Posted December 15, 2014 €1280 seems very fare, if only they would make a knighthalk costa compact I would be all over it. I'm going to wait and see what the reviews are like. It would also be interesting to know what parts their using for internals especially the inner frame ? Link to post Share on other sites
Squad 701 Posted December 15, 2014 Report Share Posted December 15, 2014 €1280 seems very fare, if only they would make a knighthalk costa compact I would be all over it. I'm going to wait and see what the reviews are like. It would also be interesting to know what parts their using for internals especially the inner frame ? Totally agree with you there Icolater, with Redwolf holding the license for Nighthawk, I thought they would have used a bit more imagination and gone for the T3 or Costa Ludus 1911 compact, rather than another expensive version of something they've done before. Anyhow Nova will be releasing at least 10 1911 kits in the first quarter of 2015, for those who prefer to build their own Link to post Share on other sites
icolater Posted December 15, 2014 Report Share Posted December 15, 2014 Yea, you can't beat a good old nova marui 1911. Any clues as to what is coming are way next year from nova ? There better be a few commander size or compacts. A kimber pro of any description would make me a very happy chappy. Link to post Share on other sites
garry Posted December 15, 2014 Report Share Posted December 15, 2014 I think I'm more tempted to get a donor gun, the Hurricane Tac entry 2 kit and upgrade it to hell and back with no expense spared.. Should still be a pretty good gun and a lot cheaper. In saying that, despite all I've said, I am kinda drawn to the RWA despite the price. Might be nice to have at least one expensive gun....... The most I've ever spent so far is about £400 on a pistol. Link to post Share on other sites
NonEx Posted December 15, 2014 Report Share Posted December 15, 2014 Start with a TM gun, add a quality MBK alu kit, then some internals and performance upgrades and see what price tag you end up with... I mean, this is probably the most reasonably priced steel airsoft pistol ever. I almost placed an order for one but then I remembered I don't like the grips on 1911s much anymore And, looking at the video, and the price, I would almost want to skirmish is, since I now play airsoft, but the weight of a full steel 1911 puts me off from that idea. And the grip issue of course Link to post Share on other sites
hitmanNo2 Posted December 15, 2014 Report Share Posted December 15, 2014 Well hit the gym then ha ha. Link to post Share on other sites
garry Posted December 15, 2014 Report Share Posted December 15, 2014 Start with a TM gun, add a quality MBK alu kit, then some internals and performance upgrades and see what price tag you end up with... I mean, this is probably the most reasonably priced steel airsoft pistol ever. I almost placed an order for one but then I remembered I don't like the grips on 1911s much anymore And, looking at the video, and the price, I would almost want to skirmish is, since I now play airsoft, but the weight of a full steel 1911 puts me off from that idea. And the grip issue of course Don't care what price it ends up being. At least I'll have built it myself, rather than being shafted!...... Link to post Share on other sites
icolater Posted December 26, 2014 Report Share Posted December 26, 2014 Just noticed that the hammer is the wrong shape? They used the Springfield armoury design hammer instead. Link to post Share on other sites
machinebear Posted January 12, 2015 Report Share Posted January 12, 2015 It has been more than a month since the release. Does anyone have first hand experience with the gun so far? Really interested to know how it compares to other full steel 1911 in the market. Link to post Share on other sites
DeltaZero Posted January 12, 2015 Report Share Posted January 12, 2015 Just had an email from RedWolf UK they have it in stock for around £1089 I think.. Link to post Share on other sites
Lancaster Posted January 12, 2015 Report Share Posted January 12, 2015 Smells nice, kicks hard, second to none tolerances (comparing with Inno, had no expierence with RA). Snappy thumb safety, fantastic springs' density. I'd say the best steel 1911 for the money - I've made a small youtube review, but it's in Russian unfortunately Link to post Share on other sites
DeltaZero Posted January 12, 2015 Report Share Posted January 12, 2015 If I used 1911s enough Id be seriously considering this. Especially now they're available in the UK! Link to post Share on other sites
machinebear Posted January 12, 2015 Report Share Posted January 12, 2015 Is it also 1:1 RS spec fully compatible with RS sights, light and holster? Link to post Share on other sites
DeltaZero Posted January 12, 2015 Report Share Posted January 12, 2015 Not sure about RS sights but I assume it will be for lights and holsters. Most other 1911 replicas are anyway. Sights are harder due to the fixing to the BBU etc.. Link to post Share on other sites
icolater Posted January 12, 2015 Report Share Posted January 12, 2015 The hammer is the wrong shape = FAIL. Also the ino 1911 had terrible tolerance. Link to post Share on other sites
DeltaZero Posted January 12, 2015 Report Share Posted January 12, 2015 One small part is wrong and it's a complete fail? Seems a little OTT doesn't it? I guess you're paying so much you'd expect it to be right but even still.. It's not the end of the world realistically! Link to post Share on other sites
icolater Posted January 12, 2015 Report Share Posted January 12, 2015 It is for me. Do it right or don't do it at all. I presume that it's a kjw base so a nova steel hammers could be used for a replacement. Link to post Share on other sites
DeltaZero Posted January 12, 2015 Report Share Posted January 12, 2015 I guess.. still if it's that easy to change out it wouldnt bother me! But you're right, for some it will be a bother! Link to post Share on other sites
blobface Posted January 12, 2015 Author Report Share Posted January 12, 2015 As my reason for purchasing the gun isn't because it's a Nighthawk, but because I just want a "combat 1911" that is full steel on CO2, whether the hammer is wrong doesn't concern me at all, so for me I don't care about that. However, there are a few things worth noting, the sights are not steel, nor is the grip safety beavertail, which is a disappointment as steel beavertails are expensive to buy. Also instead of a fake pin which RA-Tech has bothered to introduce, it has the usual hax screw in place of the pin, which considering how simple it was for RA-Tech to implement, it's a little annoying they didn't do that. Another issue I have is that the pin above the grip is either pushing too hard, or that the slide release is not shaped correctly, which means when you pull the slide back when a new mag is inserted, the pin is not pushing the slide release back down, aka power stroke doesn't work, I'm sure it can be fixed but I haven't really looked into it. Oh and no, RS sights has no chance of fitting, front sights yes, rear sight, not without milling the suitcase out of it, I'll eventually fit a set of real steel tritium on it, probably the Heinie slant pro. This might all sound quite negative, but don't get me wrong, I don't regret getting it at all. Possitive things about the gun is abundant, unlike the RA-Tech or Ino 1911, the tolerance is incredible, IIRC even the inner barrel base / hop unit is steel, the recoil spring is very stiff, but it can afford to have that as it kicks very hard, it's accuracy is good as the kick does not start messing with the hop setting, and you can easily mag dump on full capacity with plenty of gas left. Link to post Share on other sites
machinebear Posted January 12, 2015 Report Share Posted January 12, 2015 The hammer doesn't bother me, neither is the grip safety as they can be swapped out for nova steel parts. I am more concern of the RS dimension factor. I haven't been following up on airsoft for a few years at least, so apologise if this has been covered. I recall when WA launched the first GBB AR, most people were talking about the specs for different WA platform AR (INO/Prime RS spec vs G&P/KingArms etc toy spec). Does the toy spec vs RS spec exist on 1911s? Link to post Share on other sites
blobface Posted January 12, 2015 Author Report Share Posted January 12, 2015 I have never really heard 1911 being an issue with holster, even hard ones such as G-Code or Bladetech, those are based on TM/Guarder ones I had in the past Link to post Share on other sites
blobface Posted January 12, 2015 Author Report Share Posted January 12, 2015 Here are some steel pistols RWA in the middle of the bottom row (obviously), next to it is the RA-Tech Kimber Royal 2. Link to post Share on other sites
Bovinedog Posted January 12, 2015 Report Share Posted January 12, 2015 Blob face they can't be yours, they're not on the great white gun rug This AND the 417. You are very naughty. But I do look forward to seeing them! If it's not rude to ask, how much did you save by importing? Link to post Share on other sites
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