icolater Posted March 28, 2015 Report Share Posted March 28, 2015 That would be the version I would go for. It looks nicer then the we offering IMO. Link to post Share on other sites
FireKnife Posted March 28, 2015 Report Share Posted March 28, 2015 On that eHobby page I am loving the fail of "unique trigger that needs releasing fully to fire next round". Erm, what? 'FireKnife' Link to post Share on other sites
rusTORK Posted March 28, 2015 Author Report Share Posted March 28, 2015 On that eHobby page I am loving the fail of "unique trigger that needs releasing fully to fire next round". It's simple... your know Double Action, right? It's act the same, but also move slide back and loading new round in the chamber and fire. LOL It's gonna be LOOOOOOOG Trigger Pull. I more like next: Powerful CO2 offer 428 FPS out from the box (fits on 12g CO2 cartridge) If your will find where to insert CO2 cartridge. =) Link to post Share on other sites
Brigg Posted March 29, 2015 Report Share Posted March 29, 2015 Well, what the obviously did was cut and pasted much of the information out of the page for the KWC NBB makarov over here: http://shop.ehobbyasia.com/kwc-makarov-mp654k-kc44-full-metal-6mm-co2-1.html#.VRdLIOG8jGA It just seems they forgot to remove some of the features that dont apply. Link to post Share on other sites
Brigg Posted March 29, 2015 Report Share Posted March 29, 2015 Aaaaand now it looks like the KWA version has dropped as well. that was quick: http://www.bunnyworkshop.com.hk/airsoft/Airsoft_KWA_Makarov_PM_GBB_Pistol_System_7 Link to post Share on other sites
renegadecow Posted March 29, 2015 Report Share Posted March 29, 2015 I'm fairly sure that KSC is not metal but their heavyweight ABS really looks and feels the part. And at $125 too! The only thing I'm still reluctant about is how KSC keeps using banana peels for the piston lid and this still has a ball bearing hop right? Link to post Share on other sites
Brigg Posted March 29, 2015 Report Share Posted March 29, 2015 Well, Im thinking about it this way. The KSC makarov on Ehobby is the KSC Taiwan version, not the KSC Japan version. You can tell from the box which says made in Taiwan, and has a restriction label on it excluding Japan. This would mean, most likely, that its the same as the KWA version. So if the KSC Taiwan version is plastic, then so is the KWA, as they are generally identical with the exception of the markings. The KSC Japan one is made of Heavyweight ABS and has a completely different finish to it then the KSC Taiwan version as well as different markings.The HW ABS has a very flat finish and you can easily see the metal parts against it (Trigger, hammer, trigger guard, safety, etc) as they have a metallic finish. On the Taiwan version, everything looks the same. Link to post Share on other sites
Brigg Posted April 2, 2015 Report Share Posted April 2, 2015 Mine was just delivered a short time ago, and I would like to confirm that it is, in fact, full metal. Though i was a bit thrown for a second since ksc/kwa use that reallly light alloy for the slide. Link to post Share on other sites
Brigg Posted April 2, 2015 Report Share Posted April 2, 2015 Well nevermind. I was in the middle of writing a first impressions review when suddenly the makarov stopped shooting. It now takes 3-4 trigger pulls for the trigger to actually release the hammer. It seems like I may have gotten a lemon. thats very unfortunate for what has to be one of the first models received in the western world. But I would have to advise caution to anyone thinking of ordering one, It didnt even last long enough for me to get chrono results. Edit: After a bit more use trying to sort out the problem, the gun is now completely inoperable. The trigger completely fails to release the hammer. This did not include anything other then removing the slide from the frame and looking at the action. I think anyone in the market for a makarov might be doing themselves a favor by opting for the WE, which has been failure free since i got it. Strange times when a WE works better then a ksc. Link to post Share on other sites
PureSilver Posted April 2, 2015 Report Share Posted April 2, 2015 Well... That sucks, I was hoping this would be a good companion to Eastern-Bloc loadouts. Let's hope that it is just a lemon, because I greatly prefer the older style PM to the PMM WE produced. Link to post Share on other sites
k.a Posted April 2, 2015 Report Share Posted April 2, 2015 Sucks indeed, mine is shipped today, fingers crossed you got a lemon Brigg. Link to post Share on other sites
Brigg Posted April 2, 2015 Report Share Posted April 2, 2015 I've waited since 2012 for this release. So Im actually having a hard time coming up with words for how disappointed I am that arent just a bunch of strung together swears in a potentially made up language. Being a KSC, i am very doubtful I could hop e for any warranty and i have no idea where i would even ask about it. After the LM4 and AKGs that ate themselves, i honestly feel like I cant even recommend kwa or ksc as a reliable brand anymore. And thats a damned shame because they used to be one of the few companies that were practically bullet-proof. It really feels wierd saying that the WE is the better option.... Link to post Share on other sites
FireKnife Posted April 2, 2015 Report Share Posted April 2, 2015 Dang, so much for me going for the classic look, the PMM it is then. Was never a KSC/KWA anyway due to various previous experiences but after how bloody long this has been kicking around that level of fail just doesn't cut it with me. 'FireKnife' Link to post Share on other sites
renegadecow Posted April 2, 2015 Report Share Posted April 2, 2015 Man, that blows. But if there aren't any broken parts rattling about maybe it's just a broken spring on the trigger bar or sear? Link to post Share on other sites
Brigg Posted April 2, 2015 Report Share Posted April 2, 2015 Oh, a part did just fall out in the past few minutes. it seems to be part of a brass bushing that was completely crushed beyond recognition. Which is interesting since it hadnt been out of the box more then an hour or so and had less then 20 shots through it. This is without a doubt the lowest quality gun I have ever seen, and I saw more then enough WE Hi-capas when i was a shop tech. I seriously think everyone should give this gun a miss. I know i probably just sound bitter but this is just exceptionally poor. Theres no excuse for breaking that quickly. Link to post Share on other sites
renegadecow Posted April 2, 2015 Report Share Posted April 2, 2015 Could just well be a lemon though or a product of being too hurriedly assembled seeing as how the earlier plastic versions still seem to be doing ok. At any rate, you're only down $125 and there's a good chance the broken part pops up as an OEM or improved product by RA-Tech and the like. Link to post Share on other sites
Brigg Posted April 3, 2015 Report Share Posted April 3, 2015 Well after a complete disassembly down to the springs and pins, a lot of swearing, and some vodka ( clearly the most important part) I managed to get it working again. I couldnt really say exactly what the problem was so i expect it to pop back up again. My best guess is that one of the springs slipped out where it wasnt supposed to. The entire assembly of the hammer pack is actually kind of loose fitting and seems like that could easily happen. I also had to hone down the edges of the sear and hammer as they were literally biting each other. Apparently the part which fell out was not a part of the gun, as I couldn't find any broken parts, nor any made of brass.so Im at a loss to explain that. At the very least I now fully understand the internal assembly, which couldn't hurt if anyone else has a problem. And I still advise caution to any potential early adopter, because i still cant explain why this one broke, let alone how to fix it. Link to post Share on other sites
renegadecow Posted April 3, 2015 Report Share Posted April 3, 2015 Maybe post a picture of the brass part? If it's from the gun someone else might be able to ID it. Link to post Share on other sites
rusTORK Posted April 3, 2015 Author Report Share Posted April 3, 2015 Maybe someone looking for it long time ago and your don't need it! =) Link to post Share on other sites
Brigg Posted April 3, 2015 Report Share Posted April 3, 2015 I have a sneaking suspicion it was a crushed piece of brass from the flange of a snap faster that was likely stuck to my jacket. And just happened to fall off when i was disassembling the gun. Since i do a lot of work on tactical gear, its not out of the question that i could have picked that up in my shop when i put my jacket down. It sure did look like a broken part though especially when it bounced off the desk at just the right time. But again, I couldnt find any broken parts inside the gun, nor anything that was even made of brass. I had assumed it was a crushed bushing, however, even on the parts diagram there are no bushings. Link to post Share on other sites
renegadecow Posted April 4, 2015 Report Share Posted April 4, 2015 Only one way to find out then: keep shooting it and chime in if the malfunction happens again. Link to post Share on other sites
Brigg Posted April 4, 2015 Report Share Posted April 4, 2015 Well, As i more or less expected, after about another 40 shots or so its gone back to not firing. Im tempted to say the trigger bar is too malleable, but that may not be the issue. Truth be told I just cant pinpoint it yet. Link to post Share on other sites
Brigg Posted April 5, 2015 Report Share Posted April 5, 2015 OK, so I *think* Ive sorted it. The sear and hammer engaged just slightly too well (The sear had a nearly knife edge), perhaps that would have worn itself in, however the pressure from the trigger bar didn't have enough upwards force to disengage them. I dressed the sear with a stone to add a small radius which helps it disengage more easily. Secondly, I believe I figured out that random part that seemed to have fallen out, and found it may not actually be listed on the parts diagram, which would explain why I couldn't figure out what it was. That part could have been a small bushing or spacer between the trigger bar and the trigger itself, where the "pin" from the trigger bar goes into the trigger. The slot cut out into the barrel assembly there is much larger in diameter then the diameter of the pin from trigger bar. This means that theres a bunch of empty space which allows the trigger bar to flex, bend, and pop out of the trigger, and the only thing preventing the trigger from moving past its intended travel is the trigger guard physically being in the way. When tilted down, the trigger moves well past its usual travel. However, there is no part listed on the parts list for this, its just glaringly missing. Without it, the trigger bar can basically just wiggle its way out of the trigger at the slightest impediment. Again, looking at the gun itself its very obvious there needs to be something there, But theres no part listed. Considering how much better it works with it installed though, Im going to assume this is the part that fell out ( I could be wrong still). I made a bushing out of some aluminum and fit it into place and the trigger travel is now normal with or without the trigger guard in position. We'll see how it fares over the next few days. Ive already fired 200 or so shots through it with no further issues though. Link to post Share on other sites
DarkLite Posted April 12, 2015 Report Share Posted April 12, 2015 Oh wow, this is disappointing. And now that WE has pseudo pm grips out... Link to post Share on other sites
k.a Posted April 12, 2015 Report Share Posted April 12, 2015 Brigg I think you are having a run of bad luck bud with these things, what with the Python and now this, got mine yesterday, zero issues what so ever, shooting the gun with mag it came with and two spares, approx six mags worth. Link to post Share on other sites
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