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PTS PDR-D finally. (oh yea it's also GBB)


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Pretty certain it uses LM4 mags, think there's just some mix-ups in some of the literature.  There'll probably be LM4 and ERG system EPMs coming, I've seen pictures of what looks like an EPM but without the window that could be a gas mag.  Quite possibly a 20rnd version too.   

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There isn't a version with the D pistol grip and C thumbhole foregrip is there? Would be a dead ringer for a GITS M22.

 

To add to CKinnerley's reply; with the use of the optional PDR-C's grip extension, the C's grip should be about the same size as the PDR-D's grip:

http://shop.ehobbyasia.com/pts-pdr-c-grip-extension-for-magpul-pdr-aeg-black.html

 

EDIT: With a bit of epoxy and modding on the grip extension, one should be able to get a more aggressive look like on the PDR-D's grip.

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• The Catalog has a typo. Thanks for pointing it out. I'll let the company know.

• The PDR-D is a GBBR based on the LM4 system, uses LM4 compatible mags and will come with a short LM4 EPM magazine.

• It's unlikely that the PDR-D will come in a AEG variant as it is significantly shorter than the PDR-C which was already as short as they could make it to accommodate a gear box. I'm super impressed with the PDR-D.

• No ETA for the release, but we're hoping it will be released this year.

• Unrelated, the ACR GBBR will be out soon.

 

Also unrelated, the new polymer accessories are bad *albatross* and were developed with significant in put from Mil. SF personnel and competitive shooters (especially the pistol grips and new vertical grips).

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• It's unlikely that the PDR-D will come in a AEG variant as it is significantly shorter than the PDR-C which was already as short as they could make it to accommodate a gear box. I'm super impressed with the PDR-D.

 

Shorter? Unless the PDR-C was scaled up from the RS prototypes, the PDR-D looks a bit bigger: http://airsoftoutletnw.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/magpul_pdr-d_pdr-c.jpg

 

I think a PDR-D AEG would be a great idea, as it would fill the "non-fantasy P90 with AR mags" niche that a lot of people have been wanted for a long time. The L85 is too heavy, Tavors are too big, and nobody makes AUGs with the NATO receiver (seriously, this is a no brainer!). The PDR-C was slightly too expensive, and had a few bad design decisions/compromises. Make a PDR-D AEG in the 200-300$ range with a bit better reliable internals and it should sell very well. (Just look at the APS UAR)

 

That said, a GBB version sounds like a winner, too.

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Shorter? Unless the PDR-C was scaled up from the RS prototypes, the PDR-D looks a bit bigger: http://airsoftoutletnw.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/magpul_pdr-d_pdr-c.jpg

 

I think a PDR-D AEG would be a great idea, as it would fill the "non-fantasy P90 with AR mags" niche that a lot of people have been wanted for a long time. The L85 is too heavy, Tavors are too big, and nobody makes AUGs with the NATO receiver (seriously, this is a no brainer!). The PDR-C was slightly too expensive, and had a few bad design decisions/compromises. Make a PDR-D AEG in the 200-300$ range with a bit better reliable internals and it should sell very well. (Just look at the APS UAR)

 

That said, a GBB version sounds like a winner, too.

From what I recall in meetings, the PDR-C was lengthened a little from the original design. This was at the approval of Magpul at the time as they conceded the AEG base had limitations. The PDR-D GBBR should be a little shorter and true in size to the concept.

 

The PDR-D GBBR, PDR-C AEG, and all upcoming ACR variants are made at the exclusive approval of Magpul's legal team with the mutual agreement that these items would not bare the Magpul logo. To that end, they will come with EPM mags instead of PMAGs. The only concession made was that the ACRs would be allowed to ship with PTS rear MBUS until the remaining supply of PTS MBUS are exhausted.

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• Unrelated, the ACR GBBR will be out soon.

 

Thank you for the information uscmCorps.

 

I'm personally very interested on the new Masada ACR ERG which was announced on page 15 of the 2015 catalogue; can you reveal if it will be compatible with (some?) ACR AEG external parts?

 

Since the ACR AEG was so externally similar to the real ACR, I suppose that at least the stocks, handguards and possibly the lower receivers (the catalogue mentions "magazine compatibility") might be compatible between both versions and thus use the same magazines, but since both guns come from different OEM's it's always better to ask; one big question I'm also wondering about is the QD barrel compatibility (because of the added electric recoil, I wonder if a new outer barrel type was developed).

 

Last, but not least, will the new Masada ERG use the KWA RM4 ERG PMAG's and also have a functional bolt release?

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Any estimated release time on the MKM ERG?

Soon-ish. We're all jockeying for production time.

 

Or do you mean Masada?

Sorry. Masada.

 

The GBBR and ERG Masada's will be compatible with prior PTS AEG stocks and handguards. ERG Masada will be compatible with regular AEG mags, PTS ERG PMAGs and EPMs.

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USMCcoprs - you keep saying ACR GBBR, so does that mean they have updated the design from early Masada Prototype to later Bushmaster/Remington Production ACR? Or do you mean Masada?

 

From the catalogue diagram images on page 14 and 15 and also by it's descriptions ("based on Magpul® Masada GEN 3 design" and "Flip up iron front sight compatible with standard Airsoft M4/M16 rear sights.") as well as the KWA Masada GBBR images revealed from previous year's SHOT Shows, it is externally similar in look to the Masada ACR AEG.

 

In other words, it is a replica of the Bushmaster ACR prototype as it was during the Magpul Masada Gen 3 development phase, which was the most recent version at the time the ACR AEG was being developed (this situation is similar to how many other airsoft manufacturers developed pre-production replicas of the SCAR or the ARX 160), which is why I think there's a very strong possibility of some external compatibility between these new ACR's (GBBR and ERG) and the previous ACR AEG version.

 

The only photograph I recall from this very particularly elusive iteration of the real Bushmaster ACR was the following one, as taken by SMGLee on SHOT Show 2009:

http://i.imgur.com/jkUXs5x.jpg

 

Here's a detail on the weapon's name, cropped from another image:

http://i.imgur.com/ofnmzOr.jpg

 

The original Masada was the Magpul Masada ACWS (Adaptive Combat Weapon System) as A&K had originally replicated; during the Masada Gen 2 (the version with the cool dual-sided charging handle among other new features) development phase, the weapon was officially designated as the Bushmaster ACR; after the Magpul Masada Gen 3 design, Magpul Industries made the TTP (Technology Transfer Package) to Bushmaster and it's owner, the Freedom Group (which also owns Remington, as you've mentioned).

 

The airsoft replica's name "Masada ACR" was indeed a very clever marketing scheme: on the one hand it appealed to the already considerable Masada Gen 1/ACWS following (gotta love dat classic Future Weapons gun porn episode), on the other hand it appealed to the newer and more modern ACR designation, which was exploding in popularity at the time in popular culture (especially in the video game world, with Modern Warfare 2; a game where it's ACR was also originally called the Masada ingame before the name change).

 

The GBBR and ERG Masada's will be compatible with prior PTS AEG stocks and handguards. ERG Masada will be compatible with regular AEG mags, PTS ERG PMAGs and EPMs.

 

Excellent, thank you very much for the information.

 

So, the new ERG Masada's QD barrel is proprietary as I had suspected? (Because of the recoil.)

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Speaking of PTW's, on my previous post I've forgotten to ask for confirmation if the Masada ERG's bolt release will be functional.

 

Since the new ERG Masada is also compatible with PTS ERG PMAGs, I suppose it will also have a functional bolt release like on the PTS RM4 line right, uscmCorps?

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I just it won't have the huge white trades. like the Streamline version.

 

also wasn't there talk about a PTW version?

Don't know about a PTW version. I fear that ship has sailed.

 

Regarding the trademarks it doesn't have a few marking in white. Not quite as horrible as the streamlined version, but not (IMHO) quite a subtle as the original release. I'll continue to push for subtlety. In some cases, like this situation it's up to the OEM what they can and/or are willing to do.

 

a functional bolt release like on the PTS RM4 line right

I was under the impression that was a requirement of the Masada ERG design.

 

A big reason I went with the LM4 was because of news of this ACR.

There's a huge push by Yih Kai, PTS and KWA for the LM4 system. I know for PTS the LM4 and ERG platforms are something they definitely have invested heavily into as the evolution of Airsoft they believe in. I've had enough experience with both that I can see the merits of them and how they each uniquely excel. I'm excited to see more guns coming from PTS based on these systems especially under the PTS Centurion Arms brand. The new Centurion Arms guns are badAss.
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