Kratisto Posted January 18, 2015 Report Share Posted January 18, 2015 If it's a GBB but uses ERG or TM AEG magazines, it must have the gas tank inside the body, like the TM 870? Link to post Share on other sites
TheFull9 Posted January 18, 2015 Report Share Posted January 18, 2015 Pretty certain it uses LM4 mags, think there's just some mix-ups in some of the literature. There'll probably be LM4 and ERG system EPMs coming, I've seen pictures of what looks like an EPM but without the window that could be a gas mag. Quite possibly a 20rnd version too. Link to post Share on other sites
WWJS? Posted January 18, 2015 Report Share Posted January 18, 2015 There isn't a version with the D pistol grip and C thumbhole foregrip is there? Would be a dead ringer for a GITS M22. To add to CKinnerley's reply; with the use of the optional PDR-C's grip extension, the C's grip should be about the same size as the PDR-D's grip: http://shop.ehobbyasia.com/pts-pdr-c-grip-extension-for-magpul-pdr-aeg-black.html EDIT: With a bit of epoxy and modding on the grip extension, one should be able to get a more aggressive look like on the PDR-D's grip. Link to post Share on other sites
uscmCorps Posted January 19, 2015 Report Share Posted January 19, 2015 • The Catalog has a typo. Thanks for pointing it out. I'll let the company know. • The PDR-D is a GBBR based on the LM4 system, uses LM4 compatible mags and will come with a short LM4 EPM magazine. • It's unlikely that the PDR-D will come in a AEG variant as it is significantly shorter than the PDR-C which was already as short as they could make it to accommodate a gear box. I'm super impressed with the PDR-D. • No ETA for the release, but we're hoping it will be released this year. • Unrelated, the ACR GBBR will be out soon. Also unrelated, the new polymer accessories are bad *albatross* and were developed with significant in put from Mil. SF personnel and competitive shooters (especially the pistol grips and new vertical grips). Link to post Share on other sites
emp3ror86 Posted January 19, 2015 Report Share Posted January 19, 2015 My wallet is hurting already. Link to post Share on other sites
Kratisto Posted January 19, 2015 Report Share Posted January 19, 2015 • It's unlikely that the PDR-D will come in a AEG variant as it is significantly shorter than the PDR-C which was already as short as they could make it to accommodate a gear box. I'm super impressed with the PDR-D. Shorter? Unless the PDR-C was scaled up from the RS prototypes, the PDR-D looks a bit bigger: http://airsoftoutletnw.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/magpul_pdr-d_pdr-c.jpg I think a PDR-D AEG would be a great idea, as it would fill the "non-fantasy P90 with AR mags" niche that a lot of people have been wanted for a long time. The L85 is too heavy, Tavors are too big, and nobody makes AUGs with the NATO receiver (seriously, this is a no brainer!). The PDR-C was slightly too expensive, and had a few bad design decisions/compromises. Make a PDR-D AEG in the 200-300$ range with a bit better reliable internals and it should sell very well. (Just look at the APS UAR) That said, a GBB version sounds like a winner, too. Link to post Share on other sites
uscmCorps Posted January 19, 2015 Report Share Posted January 19, 2015 Shorter? Unless the PDR-C was scaled up from the RS prototypes, the PDR-D looks a bit bigger: http://airsoftoutletnw.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/magpul_pdr-d_pdr-c.jpg I think a PDR-D AEG would be a great idea, as it would fill the "non-fantasy P90 with AR mags" niche that a lot of people have been wanted for a long time. The L85 is too heavy, Tavors are too big, and nobody makes AUGs with the NATO receiver (seriously, this is a no brainer!). The PDR-C was slightly too expensive, and had a few bad design decisions/compromises. Make a PDR-D AEG in the 200-300$ range with a bit better reliable internals and it should sell very well. (Just look at the APS UAR) That said, a GBB version sounds like a winner, too. From what I recall in meetings, the PDR-C was lengthened a little from the original design. This was at the approval of Magpul at the time as they conceded the AEG base had limitations. The PDR-D GBBR should be a little shorter and true in size to the concept. The PDR-D GBBR, PDR-C AEG, and all upcoming ACR variants are made at the exclusive approval of Magpul's legal team with the mutual agreement that these items would not bare the Magpul logo. To that end, they will come with EPM mags instead of PMAGs. The only concession made was that the ACRs would be allowed to ship with PTS rear MBUS until the remaining supply of PTS MBUS are exhausted. Link to post Share on other sites
Wild_XIII Posted January 19, 2015 Report Share Posted January 19, 2015 Damn it, why's it got to use LM4 mags? I've got a nice stock of GHK G5 mags already! Link to post Share on other sites
uscmCorps Posted January 19, 2015 Report Share Posted January 19, 2015 Because PTS isn't partnered with GHK. They're partnered with Yih Kai who OEM's for KSC, KWA and PTS as well as others. Link to post Share on other sites
M_P Posted January 19, 2015 Report Share Posted January 19, 2015 Sigh. Looks like I'm gonna be selling my WE stuff then. Link to post Share on other sites
Habakure Posted January 19, 2015 Report Share Posted January 19, 2015 That PDR-D does look interesting (thank *fruitcage* it's GBB), though I don't think I'd look good in Lycra (unlike a certain major from GITS). Yes I know it doesn't directly look like a certain weapon from GITS, but it does look very close. Link to post Share on other sites
Griff762 Posted January 19, 2015 Report Share Posted January 19, 2015 Any estimated release time on the MKM ERG? Link to post Share on other sites
MRF Posted January 19, 2015 Report Share Posted January 19, 2015 Any estimated release time on the MKM ERG? Yeah, and is it the same level of finish quality as GBB MKM? Link to post Share on other sites
bankz5152 Posted January 19, 2015 Report Share Posted January 19, 2015 OOOOO Thats exciting if it is indeed GBBR and takes KWA M4 mags Link to post Share on other sites
Griff762 Posted January 19, 2015 Report Share Posted January 19, 2015 The GBB MKM was absolutely stunning, wonder how much a the difference in price will be between the two Link to post Share on other sites
NeoVeNoM Posted January 19, 2015 Report Share Posted January 19, 2015 Is the hop up of the LM4 platform any good? because the kwa pistols always drop it there in my book. Link to post Share on other sites
BigAl Posted January 19, 2015 Report Share Posted January 19, 2015 USMCcoprs - you keep saying ACR GBBR, so does that mean they have updated the design from early Masada Prototype to later Bushmaster/Remington Production ACR? Or do you mean Masada? Link to post Share on other sites
WWJS? Posted January 19, 2015 Report Share Posted January 19, 2015 • Unrelated, the ACR GBBR will be out soon. Thank you for the information uscmCorps. I'm personally very interested on the new Masada ACR ERG which was announced on page 15 of the 2015 catalogue; can you reveal if it will be compatible with (some?) ACR AEG external parts? Since the ACR AEG was so externally similar to the real ACR, I suppose that at least the stocks, handguards and possibly the lower receivers (the catalogue mentions "magazine compatibility") might be compatible between both versions and thus use the same magazines, but since both guns come from different OEM's it's always better to ask; one big question I'm also wondering about is the QD barrel compatibility (because of the added electric recoil, I wonder if a new outer barrel type was developed). Last, but not least, will the new Masada ERG use the KWA RM4 ERG PMAG's and also have a functional bolt release? Link to post Share on other sites
uscmCorps Posted January 19, 2015 Report Share Posted January 19, 2015 Any estimated release time on the MKM ERG?Soon-ish. We're all jockeying for production time. Or do you mean Masada?Sorry. Masada. The GBBR and ERG Masada's will be compatible with prior PTS AEG stocks and handguards. ERG Masada will be compatible with regular AEG mags, PTS ERG PMAGs and EPMs. Link to post Share on other sites
WWJS? Posted January 19, 2015 Report Share Posted January 19, 2015 USMCcoprs - you keep saying ACR GBBR, so does that mean they have updated the design from early Masada Prototype to later Bushmaster/Remington Production ACR? Or do you mean Masada? From the catalogue diagram images on page 14 and 15 and also by it's descriptions ("based on Magpul® Masada GEN 3 design" and "Flip up iron front sight compatible with standard Airsoft M4/M16 rear sights.") as well as the KWA Masada GBBR images revealed from previous year's SHOT Shows, it is externally similar in look to the Masada ACR AEG. In other words, it is a replica of the Bushmaster ACR prototype as it was during the Magpul Masada Gen 3 development phase, which was the most recent version at the time the ACR AEG was being developed (this situation is similar to how many other airsoft manufacturers developed pre-production replicas of the SCAR or the ARX 160), which is why I think there's a very strong possibility of some external compatibility between these new ACR's (GBBR and ERG) and the previous ACR AEG version. The only photograph I recall from this very particularly elusive iteration of the real Bushmaster ACR was the following one, as taken by SMGLee on SHOT Show 2009: http://i.imgur.com/jkUXs5x.jpg Here's a detail on the weapon's name, cropped from another image: http://i.imgur.com/ofnmzOr.jpg The original Masada was the Magpul Masada ACWS (Adaptive Combat Weapon System) as A&K had originally replicated; during the Masada Gen 2 (the version with the cool dual-sided charging handle among other new features) development phase, the weapon was officially designated as the Bushmaster ACR; after the Magpul Masada Gen 3 design, Magpul Industries made the TTP (Technology Transfer Package) to Bushmaster and it's owner, the Freedom Group (which also owns Remington, as you've mentioned). The airsoft replica's name "Masada ACR" was indeed a very clever marketing scheme: on the one hand it appealed to the already considerable Masada Gen 1/ACWS following (gotta love dat classic Future Weapons gun porn episode), on the other hand it appealed to the newer and more modern ACR designation, which was exploding in popularity at the time in popular culture (especially in the video game world, with Modern Warfare 2; a game where it's ACR was also originally called the Masada ingame before the name change). The GBBR and ERG Masada's will be compatible with prior PTS AEG stocks and handguards. ERG Masada will be compatible with regular AEG mags, PTS ERG PMAGs and EPMs. Excellent, thank you very much for the information. So, the new ERG Masada's QD barrel is proprietary as I had suspected? (Because of the recoil.) Link to post Share on other sites
NeoVeNoM Posted January 19, 2015 Report Share Posted January 19, 2015 I just it won't have the huge white trades. like the Streamline version. also wasn't there talk about a PTW version? Link to post Share on other sites
WWJS? Posted January 19, 2015 Report Share Posted January 19, 2015 Speaking of PTW's, on my previous post I've forgotten to ask for confirmation if the Masada ERG's bolt release will be functional. Since the new ERG Masada is also compatible with PTS ERG PMAGs, I suppose it will also have a functional bolt release like on the PTS RM4 line right, uscmCorps? Link to post Share on other sites
Griff762 Posted January 19, 2015 Report Share Posted January 19, 2015 Cheers for the info buddy Link to post Share on other sites
Anachronism327 Posted January 20, 2015 Report Share Posted January 20, 2015 Great to hear news. A big reason I went with the LM4 was because of news of this ACR. I know news of it has been floating around since at least Shot Show 2013, so hopefully the wait isn't much longer. Everything else on that catalog is just gravy for me. Link to post Share on other sites
uscmCorps Posted January 20, 2015 Report Share Posted January 20, 2015 I just it won't have the huge white trades. like the Streamline version. also wasn't there talk about a PTW version? Don't know about a PTW version. I fear that ship has sailed. Regarding the trademarks it doesn't have a few marking in white. Not quite as horrible as the streamlined version, but not (IMHO) quite a subtle as the original release. I'll continue to push for subtlety. In some cases, like this situation it's up to the OEM what they can and/or are willing to do. a functional bolt release like on the PTS RM4 line rightI was under the impression that was a requirement of the Masada ERG design. A big reason I went with the LM4 was because of news of this ACR.There's a huge push by Yih Kai, PTS and KWA for the LM4 system. I know for PTS the LM4 and ERG platforms are something they definitely have invested heavily into as the evolution of Airsoft they believe in. I've had enough experience with both that I can see the merits of them and how they each uniquely excel. I'm excited to see more guns coming from PTS based on these systems especially under the PTS Centurion Arms brand. The new Centurion Arms guns are badAss. Link to post Share on other sites
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