renegadecow Posted March 5, 2015 Report Share Posted March 5, 2015 Sure, they make clones, but that hardly makes them exemplar of the Chinese model. That would be more befitting to actual Chinese companies like JG, Dboys, CYMA, etc. who do nothing but clone. In sheer volume of innovation (new models), they even just about beat TM which is saying a lot. Ultimately it's in quality that they suffer, but even in that regard they're improving given the track record on their MP5. Link to post Share on other sites
Wingman Posted March 8, 2015 Report Share Posted March 8, 2015 I've had really good luck with my WE Hi-Powers. After I cleaned them out, lubed them up and fed them some .25's they have worked just great. I've not had any magazine issues and other than a barrel bushing that came loose (its press fit) but was easily fixed, I have no complaints. I have found that if I take care of my WE pistols as I do my TM's, KJW's and ASG's (I even have a couple of those HFC G17's that are over 10 years old and still work really well). I will be getting the P38 and the Makarov, without question. For those of you looking for a "really good" Walther P99 style pistol, I recommend the Umarex PPQ. Super well made (I believe it is actually made by VFC). Performance is very good and I think they basically stuffed their M&P 9 innards into this pistol (the switch to make it selective fire is even there and only blocked by a plastic tab that can be removed). I know it's not "the P99", but I actually think its better. Link to post Share on other sites
rusTORK Posted March 8, 2015 Author Report Share Posted March 8, 2015 When i thought about WE Walther P99 GBB main thing was trigger group. Maruzen one is big problem. How WE may solve it? And then... boom - same as Stark Arms did in their Walther PPQ M2 - they (Stark Arms) used Glock 18C trigger group. WE also have got Glock 18C in their GBB pistol line. SO, i guess they just build-in G18C trigger group inside P99. Let's see... Main reason, why they can make it this way is development time. I don't think they will create new trigger group from zero. And i HOPE they don't copy Maruzen one. Absolutely no reason to do it. Real question is - how they do decocker function useing glock 18c trigger group?! =) Link to post Share on other sites
mh78 Posted March 9, 2015 Report Share Posted March 9, 2015 As a big fan of Lupin the Third anime series, this'll definitely be in my collection. Looking at the prototype video it looks nearly done, I guess release is pretty close? Link to post Share on other sites
Wooly_Booly Posted March 11, 2015 Report Share Posted March 11, 2015 Actually the WE M4 rifles are, if I recall, an evolution of the WA design and the AKs do share a hint of someone else I believe. The M&P is just a new shell around the Glock system, not much more than that, the TT-33 is a direct copy of the Hudson with a few tweaks, mostly so it isn't made of weak plastic, the M84 shares a fair bit with the WA and the PMM, I will grant you is original. The P38 however I am sure will be, like the others, a tweaked Maruzen original, in fact given the Maruzen was a decent enough gun it could easily be a straight up copy with the chopped barrel option. Hate to say it, but clone or not look at how the WE 1911 ended up. Still to this day it is about the most unreliable WE design and the worst of the 1911 designs (the Bell only being better as it is a straight Marui clone and is cheaper). As for HFC in their short time they gave us a harder kicking Desert Eagle, the Dark Hawk which used it's own mags and released a Glock 17 before Marui did, using the 26 as the base, all before WE. KJ Works have made both the CZ-75 and the CZ P09 which are not clones of the KWA yet share similarities to the Marui setup, not being a direct clone of anything. Plus KJ gave us the first cheap and cheerful P229 and compact (not sub compact) Glock, put an adjustable Hop in the Marui design M9 first and they are built to a slightly better standard than WE yet sit at the same price point. No matter how you swing it, WE are never going to be as good as they seem. Sure they are the market dominators in the cheap market, but that doesn't make them the 'best'. This is not a rant, more pointing out that everyone has their faults and praises, just people need to stop thinking WE are that great when you scratch away at the surface. Give them a 10/10 for taking a design that already exists and making it in a way that makes it better for the masses (ok, 9/10, case in point, Hi-Power). As for the P38, nice to see it in a cheaper option. Still would prefer the P99 as the Maruzen had a few things that needed changing and maybe WE can be the ones to do it? 'FireKnife' Just to point out a few misconceptions, their M4's started off as a cross between a GBB PTW and the dated escort system. Little similarities to the WA system, aside from all the parts you'd expect to see on a GBB and an AR. No clue if their AK's share anything, haven't had a chance to fiddle with them. The TT33 is not a direct clone. Look at the explosion diagrams, they are two completely different pistols internally. WE: http://manual.weairsoft.com/GBB-Pistol/TT-33.pdf | Hudson: http://www.black-wolf.ru/images/hudson_tokarev_tt33/hudson_tokarev_tt33_06.jpg Same thing with the 84. Can't quite find a diagram for the Western Arms model, though they aren't the same. The trigger mechanism is different (Western Arms model is double/single action, while the WE model is SAO.(No clue why WE chose to do this.)), magazines are completely different and the slide assemblies are completely different. I've been enjoying my WE 84 much more than I ever did my previous WA model, and it's held up wonderfully, actually being one of the best stock pistols I've owned. From the looks of things, this is going to be different than the Maruzen model. Can't say for certain since we've only got somewhat mid-quality video of a prototype to work off of. Their original 1911's and M9's were without a doubt horrible, and they're almost a decade old. They were made back when WE was a new company, so it's kind of expected they would suck. The newer models both have better build quality, and for the M9 updated designs. (Not a complete clone, though quite a few parts are compatible. Majority of the trigger mechanism is proprietary.) 1911 still needs some work, though that's what WE's new 1911/2011 series is for. Luke Branch also confirmed an updated design for the 1911's in the future. Now, WE isn't perfect and they've had some pretty garbage products in the past, but they've been getting a lot better. Their designs are (for the most part) fantastic, the quality of their plastic is fantastic (metals used in the internals could be a good bit better), they are always taking customer feedback and helping out users out with their products (Luke Branch is a fantastic customer service rep), and they're constantly improving. As Brigg mentioned, none of their rifles are a direct clone of any pre-existing model, and with the amount they've got that's a pretty big accomplishment. Even being loosely based on Marui designs, that's just how innovation works. People use, modify, and improve on pre-existing works. It's not a bad thing to make copies, even if some of them don't live up to the original Link to post Share on other sites
Wooly_Booly Posted March 11, 2015 Report Share Posted March 11, 2015 I have one as well. And it really is very snappy and satisfying to shoot. But as I only have a couple hundred shots through it, I couldnt say much about durability yet. I can tell you that the mag feed lips break easily though, but thats hardly unique to the m84. The we PMM is similar, Very snappy and quick cycling, with a satisfying kick. So I would have to say that WE's designs are improving dramatically over older ones. It seems like WE make better guns when they design their own systems rather then clone others. And for the price i guess I can live with a bit less durability. Only issue I had with them as well. Contacted Luke Branch and got some new feed lips, and was told that they would be looking into the issue with the material used. Link to post Share on other sites
Brigg Posted March 29, 2015 Report Share Posted March 29, 2015 Do you have the contact information for their customer service? I should get in touch with them for the m84 parts. Link to post Share on other sites
Wooly_Booly Posted March 29, 2015 Report Share Posted March 29, 2015 Brigg, contact Luke Branch on facebook. He should be able to get you what you need. Link to post Share on other sites
Safeword Posted May 15, 2015 Report Share Posted May 15, 2015 Anyone heard anything more about this? I keep sending WE questions about it on their site and facebook but I never get any answer, I got a good deal on the Maruzen P38 from a friend but really want to see WE's first. Link to post Share on other sites
Brigg Posted May 15, 2015 Report Share Posted May 15, 2015 If the pmm and m84 are any indication, then they should be pretty close to releasing it. Those two took about 4 or 5 months or so from the prototype videos till they hit HK shops Link to post Share on other sites
Wooly_Booly Posted May 20, 2015 Report Share Posted May 20, 2015 Looks like they're just about ready to start rolling out with them!https://www.facebook.com/WE.Taitan/posts/1631178573762651 Link to post Share on other sites
Brigg Posted May 20, 2015 Report Share Posted May 20, 2015 Sweeeet. That news just made my night ( I like the p38 far too much). Looks like they didn't go with any Wehrmacht markings which is a shame, but I'll get one just the same. Its great how WE's past 2 releases have been solid, really good functioning guns, so there's a good chance this will actually be a usable sidearm. Link to post Share on other sites
Wooly_Booly Posted May 20, 2015 Report Share Posted May 20, 2015 If these are even relatively close to as good as the PMM or 84FS it will be fantastic. They've got a blued model I'm interested in, I just want to see more pictures before making a decision. Link to post Share on other sites
Brigg Posted May 20, 2015 Report Share Posted May 20, 2015 theyre doing a blued model? Any pictures of that anywhere? I only saw silver and black in that batch. Link to post Share on other sites
Safeword Posted May 20, 2015 Report Share Posted May 20, 2015 I think ill wait for a couple reviews before buying, or maybe WE do like they did with the Makarov, after a little while selling a collectors edition with trademarks, then ill be all over it Link to post Share on other sites
Wooly_Booly Posted May 25, 2015 Report Share Posted May 25, 2015 Hey Brigg, they just now released some more pictures for the "blued" model. Not exactly blued, it's more of a rainbow color like you'd find on some oil dipped (?) metals.https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.968396776517764.1073741886.302822296408552&type=1 Link to post Share on other sites
renegadecow Posted May 25, 2015 Report Share Posted May 25, 2015 Looks like Tanaka's midnight blue finish. Link to post Share on other sites
Wooly_Booly Posted May 25, 2015 Report Share Posted May 25, 2015 It's a bit more pronounced that Tanaka's midnight blue. I'm not entirely sure on the process used to create the color, though I'm pretty sure it's just a method of anodizing. Link to post Share on other sites
Imperator Posted May 25, 2015 Report Share Posted May 25, 2015 Just noticed that on the album description says "Capacity: 8 rounds".That's a major no no!I hope it's only on the prototype model, and that the final version is somewhere in the neighborhood of at least 13 rounds. Link to post Share on other sites
NonEx Posted May 25, 2015 Report Share Posted May 25, 2015 Reminds me of the AZO dye on the bottom of Verbatim DVD-Rs lol Also, what I wouldn't give to be working at WEs R&D department, shooting prototype GBB/GBBRs and smoking cigarettes, lol Link to post Share on other sites
Feyd Posted May 25, 2015 Report Share Posted May 25, 2015 There's a new video just been posted showing it firing 9 shots, but if you look carefully at the mag before he picks it up it looks like it's only about a third full double stacked... Is the real steel only 8 shot? Link to post Share on other sites
dapprman Posted May 25, 2015 Report Share Posted May 25, 2015 The blurb for that video says the magazine will be 8 shot. Link to post Share on other sites
Imperator Posted May 25, 2015 Report Share Posted May 25, 2015 @FeydThe RS is 8 rounds capacity, If I recall correctly.It's just stupid to make the airsoft version only 8 or 9 rounds capacity. I mean, even their 1911 mags, which are similar in size, had a 13 round capacity, so, what gives??!! Link to post Share on other sites
GlockworkOrange Posted May 25, 2015 Report Share Posted May 25, 2015 That finish looks incredible, like an exaggerated Tanaka midnight gold/blue mix. That'll be an instant buy, couldn't care less about mag capacity, in fact I like the idea of it being the same as RS. I would buy pretty much any gun they make with that finish Link to post Share on other sites
Brigg Posted May 25, 2015 Report Share Posted May 25, 2015 I hate to be the odd one out but i really dont like how that finish looks. It just looks like incorrectly applied bluing rather then how it should look. I'll probably stick with the black one. If its anything like the one they showed in previous pictures, the black finish is quite nice by itself. Link to post Share on other sites
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