Dr.Arnie Posted March 22, 2015 Report Share Posted March 22, 2015 justs tumbled across these being shown at isa this year. anyone seen these before? what do we think? lots of nice innovations here. quite like the poké-grenade. Link to post Share on other sites
shmook Posted March 22, 2015 Report Share Posted March 22, 2015 Absolutely incredible stuff there. The prices too, if they can stay close to them are amazing. 40 euros for a pistol grenade launcher? I'm in! Great find, thanks Link to post Share on other sites
hitmanNo2 Posted March 22, 2015 Report Share Posted March 22, 2015 All looks very cool assuming it all works. Any demo vids around? Not sure how safe that mortar would be chucking out the case even 1 or 2 meters though. Seems a bit sketchy. Link to post Share on other sites
renegadecow Posted March 22, 2015 Report Share Posted March 22, 2015 Finally, a proper pistol mounted mini grenade launcher for making BSG Colonial Blasters. Link to post Share on other sites
Trap Posted March 23, 2015 Report Share Posted March 23, 2015 The 40round ris launcher looks awesome. Looking forward to that. Link to post Share on other sites
amateurstuntman Posted March 23, 2015 Report Share Posted March 23, 2015 Looks interesting but nobody asked Ruben if he was for scuba. Link to post Share on other sites
bankz5152 Posted March 23, 2015 Report Share Posted March 23, 2015 I want that mini launcher now. In fact I want at least two. Link to post Share on other sites
scorch Posted March 23, 2015 Report Share Posted March 23, 2015 That guy sounds insane. Link to post Share on other sites
Pdubyuh Posted March 23, 2015 Report Share Posted March 23, 2015 I really like the remote grenade you could clear a room just by rolling it in, let alone setting it off! Link to post Share on other sites
FireKnife Posted March 23, 2015 Report Share Posted March 23, 2015 Nice to see the son of Jean Claude Van Damme's speech trainer found a job. As for me the little launcher for a pistol looks like it could be fun, especially as a 'well if you wont take the double tap how about this' kind of shot. 'FireKnife' Link to post Share on other sites
ED-SKaR Posted March 23, 2015 Report Share Posted March 23, 2015 Good to see some interesting stuff being semi-mass-marketed rather than having to custom build it. I wonder if these grenades will take off, the most popular to date have been BFGs and those are fairly rare. I also quite like the ris mounted mini launcher, but I'll wait to see the longjevity of it, and also the preformace before I rush out to buy one. Link to post Share on other sites
3vi1-D4n Posted March 23, 2015 Report Share Posted March 23, 2015 Mortar looks a lot better than the other one that shoots darted fins. But a few things: - 150m is basically like nothing really. In artillery/mortars, an adjustment after call for fire can adjust between 20-500m and thats just for an adjustment. - Where is the sights, and sighting poles? I am guessing its basically a line of sight launcher, which kinda takes away the idea of Indirect fire support - Does it quick disassemble into bipod/barrel/baseplate? It doesn't look like it. How do you get it into position with the bipod legs flopping everywhere? - Where is the cross level adjustment? Link to post Share on other sites
Skarclaw Posted March 23, 2015 Report Share Posted March 23, 2015 I wonder if these grenades will take off, the most popular to date have been BFGs and those are fairly rare. bfg's were fairly uncommon a while ago but there's a healthy market - several brands competing. Launchers cool but the grenades and mortar hmmm not so sure. Link to post Share on other sites
PMO Gordo Posted March 23, 2015 Report Share Posted March 23, 2015 Milsimlabs (https://www.facebook.com/MilSimLabs) produces a 3D-printed under-barrel launcher (top photo) utilizing the Goblin cartridges (bottom photo; http://www.evike.com/product_info.php?products_id=41020) It should be easier to reload than the Zoxna one. If you are interested, please contact Milsimlabs. Link to post Share on other sites
PMO Gordo Posted March 23, 2015 Report Share Posted March 23, 2015 The Zoxna mortar reminds me of a homemade mortar developed by NepaAirsoft: https://youtu.be/oIanbpRYCSQ https://youtu.be/TkN8CN9ZBF4 I'm sure you can easily use the TAGinn shells and projectiles with the mortar. Also, the bipod can be optional. Before people start complaining about the lack of realism, there is actually a new hand-held mortar developed by the Czech Military Technical Institute VTU: http://www.popularairsoft.com/coming-soon-norsk-usas-ultralight-60mm-imortar https://youtu.be/2vkHwLxhOgw As for aiming, you could use a bubble level fixed to the barrel to measure angles, and translate them to distance after some testing. Link to post Share on other sites
FireKnife Posted March 23, 2015 Report Share Posted March 23, 2015 Well I have always said Apple products would drive people to kill. Still the products do look a touch rough clearly these are not the final designs or at least I hope not. Once they have been built up a bit better I will pass judgement on them, but for now nice to see some innovation that could potentially lead to a kick *albatross* product. 'FireKnife' Link to post Share on other sites
3vi1-D4n Posted March 23, 2015 Report Share Posted March 23, 2015 You aren't going to get much realism out of 150m engagement range, but a sighting system is a must even for something that fits an equivalent of an M203. 60mm mortars and other knee mortar designs are designed to be a mobile infantry-based fire support, deployed along with light infantry, for fire support during patrols and attacks. Being light and mobile is its intention and if it has an indirect fire prediction and sighting system built in thats even better without screwing around with sighting poles and compass calibrations. The ZOXNA bipoded mortar looks more like the 81mm, where the size is more suitable for emplaced mortar positions and mobile mortar detachments (crew served so to speak). But being emplaced and bulky generally means it should have a range advantage. So my point is more along "what market is it targeting?" If you make a 60mm light mortar with 150m range and no bipod I can imagine it being instantly useful in airsoft. It doesn't have to be perfectly realistic as it is basically a tube held up by a firer. However a medium mortar, unless you have a range advantage, is not really practical in airsoft. So the idea should be to create a medium mortar to be as realistic as possible, more for collectors rather than skirmishers. While yes you can cook up an iPhone as a IFPSS and bubble leveler, the adjustment on the mortar legs is still required, otherwise you really can't aim the mortar. And a quick disassembly function would be extremely helpful, particularly in from manpacking and then redeploying the mortar. I would pay a good amount of money for a realistic mortar system, particularly an M252 replica Though commonwealth countries use the C2 sights on theirs. Link to post Share on other sites
Skarclaw Posted March 24, 2015 Report Share Posted March 24, 2015 You aren't going to get much realism out of 150m engagement range, but a sighting system is a must even for something that fits an equivalent of an M203. You're not gonna get much realism out of airsoft till you can get someone to call a hit at 300m+ Link to post Share on other sites
ninja master of coffee Posted March 24, 2015 Report Share Posted March 24, 2015 Considering most AEGs have around 50-60 meters effective range, 150 meters for a mortar sounds fine, sure that's much less than a real mortar but then AEGs do much less than the 300-500 meters a real assault rifle does as skarclaw mentioned. Besides, quite a lot of airsoft sites are probably smaller than the effective range of a real medium mortar system. Link to post Share on other sites
Cannonfodder80 Posted March 24, 2015 Report Share Posted March 24, 2015 Aren't most outdoor sites mostly woodland which would make use of a mortar limited at best? Also how long will it be before someone decides to try and use it like an RPG Link to post Share on other sites
ninja master of coffee Posted March 24, 2015 Report Share Posted March 24, 2015 Looking at the design I'm not sure you really could use it like an RPG. Even if you did it would just be a fast moving water balloon to the face, not fun but not terrible either. They have some really interesting ideas though some of them do seem a bit wacky, the micro launcher looks golden though. I think I'm most dubious about the heavy case impact grenade, given that heavy case pyro get banned from time to time at sites due to some people being morons this sounds like asking for trouble. With mortars I've thought for a while the best option would be fin stabilised chalk marker rounds, reasonably light but able to drop through some tree cover and without running into the legality or accuracy issues proper pyro rounds do. Link to post Share on other sites
harborne blue Posted March 24, 2015 Report Share Posted March 24, 2015 Aren't most outdoor sites mostly woodland which would make use of a mortar limited at best? Also how long will it be before someone decides to try and use it like an RPG We already use mortars in a lot of games inc. woodland to throw smokes. These products would be fine at the sites I play at and excellent for more tac games like WW2. Would need to see if it could throw more than a water balloon though. Link to post Share on other sites
T3CH Posted March 24, 2015 Report Share Posted March 24, 2015 Hmm the grenade, mine, multipurpose grenade, and the pistol launcher all look rather interesting, especially the mine. Could see me having fun with a couple of those at Crail or The Fortress, especially as I'm a devious *bramston pickle* and will hang the mine over doors. Link to post Share on other sites
gogojuice Posted March 29, 2015 Report Share Posted March 29, 2015 What were your guys thoughts on the multi purpose grenade? Link to post Share on other sites
renegadecow Posted March 29, 2015 Report Share Posted March 29, 2015 Mechanical timing will always have some consistency issues. The inertial trigger looks overly simplistic for it to actually deliver a strong enough blast (will wait for actual test footage). Tripwire, well, if somebody gets fragged in the woods with nobody around there's no telling if they'll call themselves out or not. Link to post Share on other sites
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