BioRage Posted May 28, 2015 Report Share Posted May 28, 2015 Original Post: Here PR in French: Here Horrid copy + Paste Cybergun has been restructuring lately especially with a new set officers ever since its Chairman, Jerome Marsac, and CEO, Olivier Gualdoni, resigned in November 2014. According to Bloomberg, "Year over year, Cybergun SA has seen revenues shrink from €69.5M EUR to €51.2M EUR, though the company was able to grow net income from a loss of €12.8M EUR to a smaller loss of €4.1M EUR." In a report from Reuters, as of 26 March 2015, the company issued a press release detailing their plans for the year. This covers their plan to restore sustainable growth in the airsoft market and broadening their range of activities in the leisure shooting to cover .22 and 4.5mm (.177) calibres. But what is prominent in their plan to restore growth in the face of shrinking revenues is to intensify their fight against counterfeiting. This is probably what many airsoft players would say is what Cybergun does best as a company. Though valid is their campaign to assert their rights on the protection of the brands they have got licenses for the airsoft market, they also have not endeared themselves to the airsoft community by trademarking certain innovations that they do not own, such as "hop-up", and names of airsoft companies to try to lock-up the airsoft market, especially in France. A good number of airsoft players won't even touch Cybergun products even with a 10-foot pole. An example of such trademarking activities can be read here. Of course, many of you have heard all the legal battles of Cybergun in the USA. This means for the distributors and resellers of airsoft guns in the USA and Europe they better check their inventories to find out if they are carrying airsoft brands that do not have any agreements from Cybergun to have the trademarks of the firearms companies they carry on their products (trade dress is another matter though). As of this writing, here is the list of the brands they carry for the airsoft market and that airsoft manufacturers intending to use these companies' trademarks on their airsoft guns will need to take a licence from Cybergun: Blackwater Blaser Colt Desert Eagle DPMS Famas Firepower FN Herstal GSG Kahr-arms Kalashnikov Magpul Mauser Mossberg Schmeisser Sig Sauer Smith & Wesson Swiss Arms Tanfoglio Taurus Thompson Will it be litigation time again this year with Cybergun? You bet as they will be aggressive in enforcing their licensing rights as they will need to increase revenues for the company. Their lawyers would be busy and happy. Also part of the press release is the signing of an agreement with a "powerful" player in the Polish airsoft market. This contract aims to increase revenues from Polish airsoft market from €0.25 million in 2014 to €0.8 million by 2017. There was no mention of the company and we actually contacted one player who have not confirmed nor denied an agreement. For the Asian market, Cybergun have signed an agreement with RedWolf Airsoft for the Inokatsu brand which they acquired in 2010. This deal gives revenues for Cybergun from US$600 to US$1 million by 2017. After the IWA Outdoor Classics 2015, they have signed orders worth €0.8 million for the Latin American market. You can read the full press release here (in French). So meaning they will try to enforce it more in Asia, I suppose. Example: "TM M&P9" has "counterfeit trade marks," ... really cybergun, just buy licensing's and enforcing it.. you guys don't even make guns LOL. Link to post Share on other sites
Pdubyuh Posted May 28, 2015 Report Share Posted May 28, 2015 It wouldn't be so bad if they produced decent RIF's of the guns they have the licence for... Will this ever affect TM they seem to not really give a monkey's about licensing the rest of the world seemed to stop making HK stuff a few years ago but it didn't stop them making the 416, 417, HK45 and now the USPc? Link to post Share on other sites
Got Wood? Posted May 28, 2015 Report Share Posted May 28, 2015 I doubt it will actually come to anything. Link to post Share on other sites
scorch Posted May 28, 2015 Report Share Posted May 28, 2015 Interesting that they don't have "trade dress" ownership though. Means worst case scenario is we have a situation where offending items have to have either no trademarks, or obscured trademarks. Link to post Share on other sites
ED-SKaR Posted May 28, 2015 Report Share Posted May 28, 2015 These guys need to be put out of business. they keep banging on about having "licensed trades" but I've never seen the word "cybergun" plastered all over a real firearm. You make "€51.2M EUR" for owning a piece of paper, go cry somewhere else. Link to post Share on other sites
DeltaZero Posted May 28, 2015 Report Share Posted May 28, 2015 Cybergun have the Magpul Licence? Link to post Share on other sites
bankz5152 Posted May 28, 2015 Report Share Posted May 28, 2015 Tell em to F off. The company may well be going down, their share price tanked from 20euros to about 20 cents. on my phone, my spelling will suck Link to post Share on other sites
T3CH Posted May 28, 2015 Report Share Posted May 28, 2015 The quicker this cancerous bunch of *fruitcage*s goes under the better. Link to post Share on other sites
HudsonUK Posted May 28, 2015 Report Share Posted May 28, 2015 Amen to that! Link to post Share on other sites
BioRage Posted May 28, 2015 Author Report Share Posted May 28, 2015 Cybergun have the Magpul Licence? Magpul/Umarex IIRC. Link to post Share on other sites
hitmanNo2 Posted May 28, 2015 Report Share Posted May 28, 2015 I thought Magpul had cut all ties with airsoft? ACR/Masada excluded. Link to post Share on other sites
Katotaka Posted May 29, 2015 Report Share Posted May 29, 2015 Interesting that they don't have "trade dress" ownership though. Means worst case scenario is we have a situation where offending items have to have either no trademarks, or obscured trademarks. Great, time to get laser engraving machine and 2.5 axis CNC and do some cooking No, I'm not. Yes, those are pretty common here in HK along with RS grade gun coatings, think about the possibilities. Link to post Share on other sites
renegadecow Posted May 29, 2015 Report Share Posted May 29, 2015 So meaning they will try to enforce it more in Asia, I suppose. And with regards to TM products, like many Japanese products they have paid licenses to use copyrighted tradestrades (S&W, Colt etc.) but only limited to local distribution. They can't stop TM from making the guns but they can stop them from coming in where they have exclusive rights over the trademarks in question i.e. not Asia. To be honest I don't think their losses are due to infringement but for the fact that less and less people support them. It was never about enforcing trademarks but an easy way to grab money. I mean, just look at their handiwork. They plaster the name and face of a man who explicitly wanted his creation to remain freely accessible to the people. It's like them hording free samples at the grocery and then charging people as they hand them out in turn. Link to post Share on other sites
Crying Scum Posted May 29, 2015 Report Share Posted May 29, 2015 In gaming industry, we have EA as the scumbag of the Earth. Now, without doubt, Cybergun is our representative of worst company in airsoft industry. F****** bloodsucker!! Link to post Share on other sites
ninja master of coffee Posted May 29, 2015 Report Share Posted May 29, 2015 Yes, I mostly find the "we own the Kalashnikov brand rights!" amusing, and? Oh no I can't have a logo that isn't actually on a real AK on my fake AK. Let's hope they implode, weird, parasitic company that they are. Link to post Share on other sites
scorch Posted May 29, 2015 Report Share Posted May 29, 2015 Road trip to France to throw feces at their building? I wonder if we can gut a TAG round and fill it with dog turd. Link to post Share on other sites
blobface Posted May 29, 2015 Report Share Posted May 29, 2015 oh get *fruitcage*ed... this is why I hate intellectual property with a passion, seriously, it's 2015, Google and Tesla are sharing their technologies with others for free, and these *rickroll* cheese are obsessing over silhouettes and logos on toy guns. Link to post Share on other sites
Mike_West Posted May 29, 2015 Report Share Posted May 29, 2015 They can go suck a glock, smegmish bastards. Link to post Share on other sites
GI0VANNI Posted May 29, 2015 Report Share Posted May 29, 2015 I rather prefer a "no logo ak than "that", as said the problem about cyber... losing money is to spend it in rebranding "ACM" replicas and stamping all kinds of awful logos even in the speed loaders and getting to be hated for this solo well as just a french could possibly get (with due respect for the real french workers, not night crawlers like cyber...). Link to post Share on other sites
tquilha Posted May 29, 2015 Report Share Posted May 29, 2015 And they think players will buy their $#&7 guns with their $#&7 attitude how? AFAIC Cyberscum can go to hell and take their business model along. Link to post Share on other sites
hitmanNo2 Posted May 29, 2015 Report Share Posted May 29, 2015 Kickstarter fund to end Cybergun anyone? They must be doing something dodgy a lawyer could pick at and unravel them. Link to post Share on other sites
bankz5152 Posted May 29, 2015 Report Share Posted May 29, 2015 Tbf that isnt a bad idea, but use it to buy shares. Members of arnies control 51% and decide to dissolve the company. *fruitcage* the mother *fruitcage* sister *fruitcage* *rickroll* eating *suitcase* eating sons of *Ubarflock*. on my phone, my spelling will suck Link to post Share on other sites
Isamu Posted May 29, 2015 Report Share Posted May 29, 2015 That is actually a good idea, but I would suggest to make the things right and force the "now our company" to produce silly obscure and cool as suitcase guns so airsofters can cry manly tears of joy after their beloved guns are released. This is, more AKs and ARs Tbf that isnt a bad idea, but use it to buy shares. Members of arnies control 51% and decide to dissolve the company.*fruitcage* the mother *fruitcage* sister *fruitcage* *rickroll* eating *suitcase* eating sons of *Ubarflock*.on my phone, my spelling will suck Link to post Share on other sites
icolater Posted May 29, 2015 Report Share Posted May 29, 2015 Let start a hate campaign. Let's all stat are feelings about these horrible people that are ruining our amazing hobby. What can we do to stop them. I for one will boycott any shop supporting cybergun. Link to post Share on other sites
bankz5152 Posted May 29, 2015 Report Share Posted May 29, 2015 I already refuse to buy anything even touched by them. Now matter how much I love the FNX..... Easiest way social media, get something going on there. With irrefutable fact about *fruitcage* *suitcase* they are. Sorry for all the swearing but i cant *fruitcage* stand money grabbing *Ubarflock* like the bag of *rickrolls* and cybercum. on my phone, my spelling will suck Link to post Share on other sites
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