chas Posted August 6, 2015 Report Share Posted August 6, 2015 https://shop.jkarmy.com/stark-arms-92fs-6mm-bb-gas-airsoft-pistol-p-beretta-full-marking.HTML - T.M Type Old Ver. M92 Pistol System - NO Decock Function Is this good or bad? I have no clue about Berettas. Link to post Share on other sites
Isamu Posted August 6, 2015 Report Share Posted August 6, 2015 Im not a beretta guy, but if they are going to clone a gun, better clone the last iteration of it. So they possibly started to clone the old beretta model and TM released the new one. Not sure if they will sell many though Link to post Share on other sites
PureSilver Posted August 6, 2015 Report Share Posted August 6, 2015 I literally just said "well that's disappointing" out loud. Even WE has managed to clone the M9A1; why in God's name would SA release a M9-based system now, so long after the M9A1's release? Is this good or bad? I have no clue about Berettas. It's pretty bad. The TM M9 has a fixed hop-up (though clones - including this one, I think) have an adjustable one, and it's not really fully-functional - the safety lever doesn't decock the gun. The newer M9A1 fixes all these problems, but MBKs for it are horrendously expensive. There's a gap in the market for a metal M9A1 clone (especially one with a steel slide, like SA have done with their GLOCKs and PPQ) that's higher-quality than the WE one but not as expensive as Nova-kitting the TM, but this isn't going to fill that gap. Link to post Share on other sites
renegadecow Posted August 6, 2015 Report Share Posted August 6, 2015 And to add, there's a design flaw with all full metal, old style clones in that the material on the slide around the safety is paper thin making it prone to breaking. If they were to clone something old they could have done better by doing a WA M92FS Perfect. Link to post Share on other sites
kyon Posted August 6, 2015 Report Share Posted August 6, 2015 Even WE Tech has cloned the new TM system. I guess if you wanted trades... Link to post Share on other sites
NonEx Posted August 6, 2015 Report Share Posted August 6, 2015 Not impressed :| Link to post Share on other sites
Mike_West Posted August 6, 2015 Report Share Posted August 6, 2015 The old TM M9 was mediocre. At least when HFC cloned it, they made the clone much sturdier, but otherwise? Meeeeh. Link to post Share on other sites
icolater Posted August 7, 2015 Report Share Posted August 7, 2015 I literally just said "well that's disappointing" out loud. Even WE has managed to clone the M9A1; why in God's name would SA release a M9-based system now, so long after the M9A1's release? It's pretty bad. The TM M9 has a fixed hop-up (though clones - including this one, I think) have an adjustable one, and it's not really fully-functional - the safety lever doesn't decock the gun. The newer M9A1 fixes all these problems, but MBKs for it are horrendously expensive. There's a gap in the market for a metal M9A1 clone (especially one with a steel slide, like SA have done with their GLOCKs and PPQ) that's higher-quality than the WE one but not as expensive as Nova-kitting the TM, but this isn't going to fill that gap. They do, the ghost island versions, come with trades etc and a nicer finish. Link to post Share on other sites
fnc Posted August 7, 2015 Report Share Posted August 7, 2015 https://shop.jkarmy.com/stark-arms-92fs-6mm-bb-gas-airsoft-pistol-p-beretta-full-marking.HTML - T.M Type Old Ver. M92 Pistol System - NO Decock Function Is this good or bad? I have no clue about Berettas. As I know , It's not a Stark-arms product It comes from the SRC. Without trademark license , no manufacturer will admit this is their product... Link to post Share on other sites
swatti Posted August 7, 2015 Report Share Posted August 7, 2015 SRC does make steel-slide version, most likely won't admit it, that's also based on the old tm-design. New model, steel slide, dh-moddable mags, yes please... Link to post Share on other sites
blobface Posted August 7, 2015 Report Share Posted August 7, 2015 They do, the ghost island versions, come with trades etc and a nicer finish. I think Ghost Island doesn't fit into that market gap he was talking about since that's a steel slide which isn't something everyone is into. I got the Ghost Island built M9, it's pretty awesome, but is very expensive compared to what a SA full metal gun would cost. Link to post Share on other sites
TheFull9 Posted August 8, 2015 Report Share Posted August 8, 2015 Yeah I'm not seeing anything on that product page that suggests this is a Stark gun? Apart from anything it doesn't fit their MO at all. They do fairly decent stuff and if they were going to do an M9 (rather than a plastic framed gun like they usually do) I don't think they'd be as stupid as to copy the old version rather than the A1. They're more likely to come out with something like a VP9 next I'd think. Link to post Share on other sites
icolater Posted August 8, 2015 Report Share Posted August 8, 2015 I think Ghost Island doesn't fit into that market gap he was talking about since that's a steel slide which isn't something everyone is into. I got the Ghost Island built M9, it's pretty awesome, but is very expensive compared to what a SA full metal gun would cost. They make standard non steel versions too, I have an inox one that was 130 dollars. Link to post Share on other sites
Wingmann Posted August 8, 2015 Report Share Posted August 8, 2015 At least when HFC cloned it, they made the clone much sturdier. Since they didn't shoot that well or at all, at least they made sure you could melee with them. Link to post Share on other sites
MrTreble Posted August 8, 2015 Report Share Posted August 8, 2015 Airsoftglobal has it listed as an Action Airsoft M9 http://www.airsoftglobal.com/shop/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=51_391&products_id=21577 Link to post Share on other sites
MrTreble Posted August 17, 2015 Report Share Posted August 17, 2015 Another shop has this listed: http://shop.ehobbyasia.com/gun-heaven-jp-m92-full-metal-gas-pistol-6mm.html#.VdFX4pdMFLE Anyone familiar with Gun Heaven? Related to SRC? Link to post Share on other sites
icolater Posted August 17, 2015 Report Share Posted August 17, 2015 That's a different model, with decocker, so prob a clone of the new type. Link to post Share on other sites
NonEx Posted August 17, 2015 Report Share Posted August 17, 2015 Doubt it. Most likely EHA messed up the specs. which is not uncommon for them... Link to post Share on other sites
icolater Posted August 17, 2015 Report Share Posted August 17, 2015 Nice box though. Link to post Share on other sites
Algy Posted August 24, 2015 Report Share Posted August 24, 2015 They make standard non steel versions too, I have an inox one that was 130 dollars. Does anyone know of anywhere that sells these Ghost Island non-steel slide, traded versions? CRW had them in a while back, but they've sold out. Link to post Share on other sites
LJ.NL Posted March 21, 2016 Report Share Posted March 21, 2016 Because this seems to be the most recent M9 topic, I'll ask it here: At this moment, what would be the nicest & most realistic M92 option on the market (excluding $300+ kits)? I've been browsing around and came across the following options: - 'Ghost Island' Italy marking M9 (not sure if it's full metal though, or what version): $130 - 'Gun Heaven' M92 (no decock-function): $85 - WE (old gen) with trades+grips (looks like shallow custom laser engraved) : $100 - WE Gen2, no trades: $170 - Marui M92F with Guarder slide and frame: $190 I don't think I will be using this for games, so performance is not a big issue. Am I missing any other options or is this about it? Thanks in advance! Link to post Share on other sites
hitmanNo2 Posted March 21, 2016 Report Share Posted March 21, 2016 Ghost Island will be full metal. Probably the best bang for your buck. I take it full metal is a requirement? If not, try and get a WA. ABS, but heavyweight. I like them a lot. KSC maybe worth a look but I prefer the WA over it. Link to post Share on other sites
NonEx Posted March 21, 2016 Report Share Posted March 21, 2016 Hrmmm... I might be wrong here but I thought the Ghost Island marking M9 was the WE 2014 Version/GEN2 with markings? But I wonder since you list the WE M9 GEN2 at 170 USD ? The new version WE M9s are really nice. Looks fab and with some RS grips it takes it up to another level. There are some version floating around with markins. KIC Taiwan has some I think. INOX : https://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?depth=1&hl=en&rurl=translate.google.com&sl=zh-CN&tl=en&u=http://www.kic.com.tw/shop/product_info.php%3Finfo%3Dp13657_HK3P-M92--------------------------------------------------.html%26XTCsid%3D926689f66eb2df9d45b22c911ffe5243&usg=ALkJrhj-aXeQ4C41MDO2-knbyvBuXzuQHw The downside is, the full auto feature. BLEH! And because of the FA feature the half-cock mode of the hammer works so-so out of the box, on all three of my WE M9 GEN2s. Other than that, they are really nicely finished, superb details and feel. Gun Heaven I would say no. WE old gen M9, no. I built a TM with Guarder kit once. It turned out pretty terrible in terms of performance and the Guarder kit was a real *badgeress* to install. And it looked rather poor. Granted it's been a few years since then but I would say the WE GEN2 looks, feel and finish out of the box was a lot nicer than the TM M9 with Guarder kit I put together. Link to post Share on other sites
Dj_komodo Posted March 21, 2016 Report Share Posted March 21, 2016 why not a KSC M9 or M9A1 with trades? http://www.rainbow8.com/collections/pistol-gbb-ksc/products/ksc-m9a1-s7 http://www.rainbow8.com/collections/pistol-gbb-ksc/products/ksc-m9a1-gbb-pistol Link to post Share on other sites
mimesis Posted March 21, 2016 Report Share Posted March 21, 2016 These do exist: http://www.airsoftglobal.com/shop/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=19460 The trick is to find them at a better price. Link to post Share on other sites
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