uscmCorps Posted October 18, 2015 Report Share Posted October 18, 2015 I've used (and also been on the receiving end of) Simunitions and UTMs marking rounds. Simunitions are unreliable, expensive, and inaccurate. UTM are decently reliable, far less expensive than Sims (between the rounds and gun parts), and reasonably accurate. If an agency needed a FOF training tool I'd suggest UTM over SIMs and Airsoft any day. But I know a few agencies who've bought and used Airsoft as they're concerned about cost and/or have to train in locations where marking rounds (like city hall, schools etc) can't be used. Airsoft can be a good tool for supplemental training, the user(s) just need to understand the limitations of it as a tool. I just don't think Airsoft will be able to survive most depts' use of it. Link to post Share on other sites
Cire_ Posted October 19, 2015 Report Share Posted October 19, 2015 Bah, this fking sucks. Cybergun is the devil of the airsoft community. Link to post Share on other sites
paranoiddroid Posted October 19, 2015 Report Share Posted October 19, 2015 They are bringing a model of handgun that is really popular in RS and handles beautifully back so I am going to have to bite the bullet and buy one. They are going to be the only company producing a sig sp2022 so my options are either not have the gun I want and pray someone else makes one that you can get parts for or buy the cg one. The problem with waiting is if th cg one doesn't sell there's obviously no market for the sig pro so no one else will make one. Link to post Share on other sites
hitmanNo2 Posted October 19, 2015 Report Share Posted October 19, 2015 You know KSC made a SP2022 right? It's a bit meh though if you manage to track one down. Link to post Share on other sites
scorch Posted October 21, 2015 Report Share Posted October 21, 2015 Buy it and we'll disown you. Link to post Share on other sites
renegadecow Posted October 21, 2015 Report Share Posted October 21, 2015 They are going to be the only company producing a sig sp2022 so my options are either not have the gun I want and pray someone else makes one that you can get parts for or buy the cg one.You forgot option C: get the OEM which is by KWC. That way you don't give your hard earned to Cybergun. They produce nothing, just rebrand things and chrono them with .12g bbs. Link to post Share on other sites
paranoiddroid Posted October 23, 2015 Report Share Posted October 23, 2015 We don't know the new one will be a KWC though do we....? that's the problem, I had 2 of the nbb co2 ones and they were lovely but eventually they just die and it's cheaper to get a new one... also cheaper to buy one new than to get a spare mag over here because SMK suck donkey ##### from a individual customer point of view. Yes KSC do do one but 1. It's rare as rocking horse droppings 2. Mags are just as rare 3. The original one was and last but not least the series 7 one is about 80$ more than any other series 7 handgun. Oh and if that wasn't bad enough, Cybergun rebrand the KSC 2022 and it's in the catalogue and orderable new BUT it's not marketed to the UK/Not availible for order to the UK and CG who I have spoken too, won't deal with me and send me to the UK distributor who can't order the pistol because it's not offered to the UK. Link to post Share on other sites
NonEx Posted November 24, 2015 Author Report Share Posted November 24, 2015 So it just came to my mind that the MILPOL event that these would be unveiled at had taken place. So I Googled for some info and found this... Get ready to *suitcase* some bricks guys... It is the Stark Arms / VFC Glocks... With some extra fugly markings. More pics in this gallery: https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.1096617480349881.1073741858.215979548413683 Question is, is it the normal ALU version or steel version? Can't really tell from the pics right now as I don't have PS on this computer. Not that it really matters that much. I would assume steel+CO2 version but who knows. And really, at this point, who cares. They are already out and about in the wild without the fugly Spartan / Cybergun markings... So much fail. AHAHAH! The comments section is entertaining as per usual on Cyberguns FB page; Could these guys be any bigger wankers? Aaah right! I also remembered that the SDA/VFC Glocks have been appearing this month at Asia shops under new name, Storm Arms/Storm Airsoft or whatever. In new packaging and with a slightly lower price too. Stark trying to dump their stock and step away from their unlicensed Glock production? http://www.ebairsoft.com/storm-airsoft-arsenal-p-9381.html Funnily enough the box for the new ones have an actual Glock logo on them. Link to post Share on other sites
PureSilver Posted November 26, 2015 Report Share Posted November 26, 2015 My favourite bit of this by far is Cybergun's reply; "You are not a 1337 LE/MIL customer, so no Glock for you!", as if the guy's going to be heartbroken about his sudden inability to pay triple or quadruple the price to have Cybergun doodle all over his Stark Arms. Link to post Share on other sites
Alias1983 Posted November 26, 2015 Report Share Posted November 26, 2015 Ew Link to post Share on other sites
Got Wood? Posted November 26, 2015 Report Share Posted November 26, 2015 I didn't understand any of that Facebook but. But that trademark they've added is the most blatant blowing your own trumpet I've ever seen. And it's not a trumpet anyone wants to hear Link to post Share on other sites
Tank Posted December 6, 2015 Report Share Posted December 6, 2015 Proviso: this is a horrible outcome that will almost certainly end very badly for airsofters. I can't imagine that CyberGun would try and sell Stark Arms GLOCKs to LE/MIL for training. The guns just aren't built to anything like the strength needed for training; airsofters know that their GBBPs are made of s***y MIM pot metal and don't throw their guns around or expect them to survive harsh conditions or anything. If CyberGun have finally wrestled a licensing agreement out of GLOCK, I find it very hard to believe they'd risk the success of that on Stark Arms models when the LE/MIL departments themselves have a basically bottomless budget for such things. I mean, it is CyberGun. But I'm still interested to see what these end up being. Agreed on the first point.Best case scenario: The LE/MIL Training side will fail miserably because of low quality products, lack or service, etc. Then Glock will pull the plug, and everything goes back to "normal". Worst case: The LE/MIL thing fails, for the aforementioned reasons, Glock wigs out and redoubles their efforts to squash airsoft versions of their gun(s). In addition CG will stick to their regular MO, suing and bulling everyone and their mom (which they will do regardless of how well this goes), making it even more difficult to get airsoft Glocks. You highly underestimate the foolishness of Cybergun's management. They will not listen to anyone who ACTUALLY knows anything about firearms, training, or even airsoft. There's one (pretty high ranking) douche canoe over there that THINKS he knows EVERYTHING because he used to be an armorer for a French Police Department. He's the same idiot who's responsible for the "dueler" and some other stupid products coming down the pipe. Link to post Share on other sites
hitmanNo2 Posted December 6, 2015 Report Share Posted December 6, 2015 'Cybergun? LIGAF' - Every airsoft Glock manufacturer Link to post Share on other sites
Tank Posted December 6, 2015 Report Share Posted December 6, 2015 It's not so much the manufacturers (most of whom hate CG), but they've bullied the hell out of dealers, who can't afford the legal battle. Link to post Share on other sites
Cire_ Posted December 15, 2015 Report Share Posted December 15, 2015 Cyber*fruitcage*s. Why they even do this to us? Link to post Share on other sites
Alias1983 Posted December 15, 2015 Report Share Posted December 15, 2015 Cyber*fruitcage*s. Why they even do this to us?Because the sheep give them thier hard earned money Link to post Share on other sites
Tank Posted February 2, 2016 Report Share Posted February 2, 2016 I thought some of you might like to know that Cybergun had their new Glock at SHOT show booth for people to try out in their shooting range. All FOUR that they brought broke on DAY ONE. HAHAHAHAHAHAHA! They're off to a great start. Link to post Share on other sites
hitmanNo2 Posted February 2, 2016 Report Share Posted February 2, 2016 Ah ha. Brilliant. I just hope lots of people did some video overviews of their products utterly slating them with CG reps in earshot. Link to post Share on other sites
NonEx Posted February 2, 2016 Author Report Share Posted February 2, 2016 Those SA hammer internals eh? Link to post Share on other sites
Alias1983 Posted February 3, 2016 Report Share Posted February 3, 2016 I buy we/HK, *fruitcage* cg and I want a g19 but not what's out there. Link to post Share on other sites
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