renegadecow Posted December 12, 2015 Report Share Posted December 12, 2015 While this was mentioned in the earlier Glock thread, I thought this deserves its own thread as well. They're really putting a lot of material on their Facebook page and stated that their target price is "Kit is around 12x usd". Link to post Share on other sites
Isamu Posted December 12, 2015 Report Share Posted December 12, 2015 Looks awesome, wish they did another one for AEGs as well =) Link to post Share on other sites
Habakure Posted December 12, 2015 Report Share Posted December 12, 2015 Damn it. Will have to get all the paint off of my Scar-L and then Re paint with this attached. The woes of a first world white knight. Link to post Share on other sites
tquilha Posted December 12, 2015 Report Share Posted December 12, 2015 I didn't really like the SCAR, but this one... WOW! Link to post Share on other sites
Cire_ Posted December 12, 2015 Report Share Posted December 12, 2015 Wow, that *suitcase* looks fking amazing. Link to post Share on other sites
aznriptide859 Posted December 13, 2015 Report Share Posted December 13, 2015 I like the UltraLight config better. Too bad it wouldn't work for anything except GBBR. Link to post Share on other sites
renegadecow Posted December 13, 2015 Author Report Share Posted December 13, 2015 It's going to cost heck of a lot more though being a complete lower replacement instead of an add-on kit. Link to post Share on other sites
ollie_ty Posted December 13, 2015 Report Share Posted December 13, 2015 Yeah that Ultralight one looks more 'Tactical', I can't help but think this whole thing looks a bit tacky and cheap. Link to post Share on other sites
LordElpus Posted December 13, 2015 Report Share Posted December 13, 2015 I wonder what the bullpup would look like as a H rather than the L Link to post Share on other sites
TheFull9 Posted December 13, 2015 Report Share Posted December 13, 2015 10 bucks right now that this ends up as weapon for some sci-fi military type dudes in a hollywood film within the next few years. Link to post Share on other sites
renegadecow Posted December 13, 2015 Author Report Share Posted December 13, 2015 *cough* hollywood ghost in the shell *cough* Link to post Share on other sites
Habakure Posted December 13, 2015 Report Share Posted December 13, 2015 Cough, wait till you see (if he keeps the design) the guns in Alien: Covenant. Link to post Share on other sites
kenxin Posted December 14, 2015 Report Share Posted December 14, 2015 I have some concerns with those kits.When I first looked at the glock kits they were clearly 3d printed and polished with filament printers. I thought "ok, pre-production samples, nothing wrong with that". But the closer we get to release date they keep publishing promotion pictures and they all look 3d printed, even the scar kit is 2 pieces of 3d printed material fused together near the magwell. I tried asking if their production models will also be 3d printed and they just deleted my comment. Link to post Share on other sites
renegadecow Posted December 14, 2015 Author Report Share Posted December 14, 2015 What's wrong with 3D printing? As long as they're using a durable enough material and the print resolution is high enough (or they use those surface smoothing post-print coating) it should be good enough for most airsoft needs. Link to post Share on other sites
Rob15 Posted December 14, 2015 Report Share Posted December 14, 2015 What's wrong with 3D printing? As long as they're using a durable enough material and the print resolution is high enough (or they use those surface smoothing post-print coating) it should be good enough for most airsoft needs. It's a slow process and if they intend selling any decent quantity they'd be better off having the injection moulds made for the body which would give a superior quality product at a lower unit cost. Link to post Share on other sites
chas Posted December 14, 2015 Report Share Posted December 14, 2015 Damnit. It's for GBB. If they dont need the room for the motor, they honestly could have made a smaller stock or rear are, couldn't they? Link to post Share on other sites
renegadecow Posted December 14, 2015 Author Report Share Posted December 14, 2015 Fair enough. But they also just posted this: I wouldn't even pretend to know what 3D-weaving is (haven't googled it yet) but it does imply that they are only implementing it to do rapid prototypes in their R&D division. So maybe the actual product will still be made in conventional injection molding. Link to post Share on other sites
hitmanNo2 Posted December 14, 2015 Report Share Posted December 14, 2015 They'd have to be mad to 3D print production surely? The time and costs would be ridiculous. Link to post Share on other sites
Alias1983 Posted December 14, 2015 Report Share Posted December 14, 2015 It's official, there is no bulpup that I like. Link to post Share on other sites
chas Posted December 14, 2015 Report Share Posted December 14, 2015 They'd have to be mad to 3D print production surely? The time and costs would be ridiculous. For a niche product? 3D actually sounds way cheaper when you are doing such a limited run. Remember that Marui stopped making one of their P90 for almost a year because their mold broke. Variable costs of 3D printing are much higher tan that of molding, but the fixed cost (producing the mold) are astronomical. Link to post Share on other sites
hitmanNo2 Posted December 14, 2015 Report Share Posted December 14, 2015 Well we need to determine the amount in the run they're making before writing off injection moulding. Link to post Share on other sites
chas Posted December 14, 2015 Report Share Posted December 14, 2015 Well we need to determine the amount in the run they're making before writing off injection moulding. Sure. But we can already make guesses: - People who own a GBB SCAR L? Let's say 10.000. - GBB SCAR L owners who want a bullpup? Let's say 10% (=1000). - GBB SCAR L owners who like this particular bullpup design? Let's say 50%, as it is the only kit on the market. So 500 units. Link to post Share on other sites
PureSilver Posted December 14, 2015 Report Share Posted December 14, 2015 For a niche product? 3D actually sounds way cheaper when you are doing such a limited run. Really? Taking your production figure of 500 units, and guesstimating the cost of such a complex mould at $50,000, that would by amortised at $100 per item. With maybe $1 in plastic comprising the materials cost, that would leave $19-28 for overheads and profit if they're aiming for $12x in pricing - not enough. My guess is that the pricing discrepancy is a combination of the mould being a lot cheaper to make in Taiwan and the expected production run being a more than 500 units. I've little experience with additive manufacture, but a large part like that looks like a lot of print time. The plastic is more expensive for consumers, but not very expensive for commercial operators - but the cost is the print time. I can't see that thing coming off a printer in less than an hour, and that is an age when injection moulding would take a few minutes at most and likely a handful of seconds. Link to post Share on other sites
chas Posted December 14, 2015 Report Share Posted December 14, 2015 Really? Taking your production figure of 500 units, and guesstimating the cost of such a complex mould at $50,000, that would by amortised at $100 per item. With maybe $1 in plastic comprising the materials cost, that would leave $19-28 for overheads and profit if they're aiming for $12x in pricing - not enough. My guess is that the pricing discrepancy is a combination of the mould being a lot cheaper to make in Taiwan and the expected production run being a more than 500 units. I've little experience with additive manufacture, but a large part like that looks like a lot of print time. The plastic is more expensive for consumers, but not very expensive for commercial operators - but the cost is the print time. I can't see that thing coming off a printer in less than an hour, and that is an age when injection moulding would take a few minutes at most and likely a handful of seconds. I have no clue what the cost of a mold is. Anyway, another advantage I see to 3D printing is that you dont risk making a huge investment in something that doesn't sell that well. Let's say the 3D design costs 10.000. That is going to be the same for 3D as well as for the mold. Now, if the mold does indeed cost 50.000 and you end up selling only 10 pieces, then the cost of the 3D run is 10.000/10 + material used, but the molded version has a cost of 60.000/10 + material. And that is without factoring in the cost of actually making the mold. 3D printing on the other hand would allow a company to make a small test run, see how it sells and make more as orders come in. Link to post Share on other sites
Got Wood? Posted December 14, 2015 Report Share Posted December 14, 2015 Are we really arguing about 3D printing vs injection moulding, instead of WE vs TM? Link to post Share on other sites
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