B.L. Tech BOSS Update

[AG1212]

Put that thing into a suppressor configuration and I'll pay 600 for it

[hitmanNo2]

Heh, well personally I think ID actually did a decent job overall.  Given the form factor it gives off an impressive muzzle flash IMHO and when it first hit the market it was all over the 'big' airsoft YouTube channels getting touted by all the famous types who only over showcase stuff they've been given for free, just as the BOSS is at the moment (though ofc I am just jelly because I hardly ever get stuff for free).

The fact you've only seen them in vids where people haven't had to pay for them says a lot.  They've been out quite a while.

[blobface]

I have seen it used once at Sandpit actually, was really confuse why this guy was continuously doing some sort of camera flash until I realise it was one of those units. 

[TheFull9]

The fact you've only seen them in vids where people haven't had to pay for them says a lot.  They've been out quite a while.

 

Haha, sure does, that's why I made the comparison.  Obviously comparisons on such a product in that manner are super subjective, it's just something that occurred to me.

[renegadecow]

-get flashy flash hider

-cut leads to bulb

-ignite propane

-win?

 

*assuming on a GBB*

[BioRage]

For $600, I rather buy a G&P M203, and a ton-o-shells, haha.

 

Then again that $600 probably go into something like a new GBBR.

 

That being said, wasn't incentive working on a sound thing too?

[BioRage]

I have seen it used once at Sandpit actually, was really confuse why this guy was continuously doing some sort of camera flash until I realise it was one of those units. 

 

Must of gave away their position quite easily, lol.

 

Thing about these units is no one will run them, because they don't want to give away their positions..

 

But then again you got those folks who constantly turn on their flashlights to "trace" their bbs.. without them thinking about giving away both their position, and their teammates.

 

¯\_(^ _ ^)_/¯"

[jal3]

It costs what it cost. There is no other alternative.

Read the specs on it. It has massive amounts of electronics in it. When you take away tax, dealers cut and distributors cut, there's very little left for R&D (2 years) and production cost in a western country.

 

I'd wish it was around £150-200, but that's just not in the cards.

And no, it's not an item that gains you _any_ other advantage than being massively cool and increasing gaming immersion.

 

I don't like how it sits between battery and gun, measuring (?) to activate itself to a set firerate.

It would be better if it had a per-shot activation system.

Maybe they could make it that way with a suppressor/peq box combo (BB sensor then).

 

Blobface: Sure it wasn't the other (can't remember the name) system some use here? That has a LED flashhider and soundbox.

[blobface]

-get flashy flash hider

-cut leads to bulb

-ignite propane

-win?

 

*assuming on a GBB*

 

[renegadecow]

Yeah, full auto is a problem. It's always worked on my NBBs though.

https://youtu.be/LmQJLxnSbpE

[paranoiddroid]

I have seen a venom used and think they are cool as he'll but the design of the flash hider I don't like.

 

I would love a peq box BOSS because the guns this would go on don't really have a way to mount a 203. This will be something to watch and I hope they do well.

 

I really want to see this evolve and get more research and funds.

 

If I ever finish the 50cal I'd love to have one just to hide in the internals of the gun or the ammo box.

[Cire_]

Yeah, full auto is a problem. It's always worked on my NBBs though.

https://youtu.be/LmQJLxnSbpE

lol dafuq. The amout of stupid ppl on this planet is insane. 

[3vi1-D4n]

I don't like how it sits between battery and gun, measuring (?) to activate itself to a set firerate.

It would be better if it had a per-shot activation system.

Maybe they could make it that way with a suppressor/peq box combo (BB sensor then).

 

Blobface: Sure it wasn't the other (can't remember the name) system some use here? That has a LED flashhider and soundbox.

 

 

The reason there is a set fire rate is because it is switched on by the current passing from the trigger to the motor.  On semi, the current will terminate, but on auto, the current is pretty much consistent (with a little bit of a wave at the top), which means the circuit can't tell when it is actually firing the next shot.

 

if they made it as a silencer then you can use an LDR and IR LED to sync it to the rounds, but you would run out of space for battery/gas.

 

PEQ is probably the only way I would mount it on my collection of LMG/GPMG, so I am really keen to support further development.

[jal3]

You work in the department of redundancy department don't you?

[cameron.mearns]

Ooooh! I've seen this thing at my local CQB field a few times, sort of feeling its absence of late, probably because it hasn't been pointed at me

 

Big ups to the boys who developed it, the lads who don't get it, it makes a difference if you have it leveled at you, especially up close.

 

Hopefully the get some interest from the hard-core lads, and then they can develop a version more people can find use for.

 

Then again, I'm biased for the home team. Maybe this will be mainly just a kiwi thing.

[The Insider]

shut up and take my... wait.. i don't have that much money... =/

 

It costs what it cost. There is no other alternative.

Read the specs on it. It has massive amounts of electronics in it. When you take away tax, dealers cut and distributors cut, there's very little left for R&D (2 years) and production cost in a western country.

 

 

There is always an alternative...     and yes, to many cuts of the pie with a 1st world production will always inflate the production costs.  

Its not the first great idea i've seen... ruined by...maybe wanting to tight of control.... and poor insight into mass production...   and maybe for lack of a better word in general.... greed.
Not that i'm pointing fingers... but like i've said... i've seen this happen time and time again.

No one will be getting rich from this product... except maybe whom ever copies it for a 10th of the cost.... in a 3rd world country... of cause.

 

you have to remember... airsoft is for fun.... and is already a copy of reality.... so if you lose sight of that...and  "if your make it (expensive)... we will fake it."    lol

[renegadecow]

I won't pay $600 for one, but I don't think I'll be comfortable with a cut rate JG version either.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cO1q3HwB0y0

[uscmCorps]

I spent a fair bit of time chatting with the BOSS' developers during their trip here in the US. Twin brothers, one is a hardware engineer, the other a software engineer. Good guys. Very passionate about what they're doing and what they can bring to the hobby. TBH, at first glance, I wasn't a fan of the form factor either. Being a little unauthentic, it was a bit of a turn off. Then I got to use it. This product truly has to be experienced in person for people to actually appreciate what it brings to the table. Video alone fails to capture how awesome this sounds in person. Whether you're using it yourself or hearing it across the field, its extremely impressive. Impressive enough that for me, it's output outweighs the lack of realistic appearance. And I did not expect that to be the case being a stickler for authenticity. Another thing that's impressive about it is its reliability. We've all bought high end airsoft guns that go down easily (at least I have, multiple times). It's just a facet of airsoft that if you've been in the hobby long enough, it will happen. This device on the other hand, is both reliable and robust. And waterproof as they rubber over-mold all the electronics to protect against wet weather. It consumes very little battery power and a full reservoir of propane lasts 2,000 to 8,000 rounds (depending on ambient temps and volume/ROF). For most consumers, it'd be something you setup once and leave it be for the duration of the event/day expecting it to work every time you pull the trigger. It just adds to the ambience, and it's very very cool.

 

All the videos I've been seeing so far was of the BOSS unit coupled to a regular looking M4. And it looked ... a bit vertically wide. While testing, we mounted it to a PTS ERG with a CMR rail and it shrunk the overall silhouette and not only looked better, but also felt more natural in the hand. I think people with smaller profile rails, like CMRs, NSRs, URX4s etc might find it actually looking ok:

 

^^^ Faux trigger was cut off from the BOSS unit with a dremel prior to shipping to the US due to concerns customs/ATF might potentially have with it.

 

What really surprised me was how well it worked in conjunction with electric recoil type guns (SOPMODs, PTS ERGs, KWA ERGs etc). The recoil of these electric guns used in conjunction with the BOSS unit is quite transformative. And the last round cut off feature is a huge bonus. Mid game, sometimes you can't see your BBs flying through the air, and most airsofters have become accustomed to listening for that tonal difference in their AEG's for when the gun runs out of BBs but is still dry cycling (vs the sound it makes when rounds are actually being fired). When an AEG is equipped with a BOSS unit, you simply cannot hear the rounds being fired, only the sound of the BOSS unit firing. So you can't listen for what it sounds like when the gun is cycling an empty chamber. When used with a gun that has a last round stop feature, if your gun runs dry, the gun stops firing, reload, and you're back at it.

 

The BOSS unit is loud. Not so loud you have to wear hearing protection (IMHO) even in indoors, but loud enough for you and everyone else around you to feel a difference in the game. Personally, I'd want it louder. I wear hearing protection several times a week at the range and the idea of having that ambience, chaos and racket going off around me really floats my boat. But for the sound level it does currently produce, most consumers who are genuinely interested in this device will be more than satisfied.

 

Is the BOSS unit going to become a new standard? I doubt it. Most airsofters are too set in their ways and would not actively want something that will very clearly give away their position regardless of the added realism that atmosphere would bring. Some people will feel it's too real sounding and feel it may even detract from their experience of the game. Some won't like the price. Some won't like that it's a M203 looking device that doesn't actually shoot anything. Site owners may not appreciate their fields sounding like a legitimate battlefield. It's certainly not for everyone. But I will say that hearing three of these on the field changes the feel of the game in a very positive way. People get pumped up and adrenaline flowing. I'd love to someday experience a game where most if not everyone was using a device like this. I genuinely think most airsofters would be surprised how much they've been missing something like this without even realizing it.

 

Things I'm not crazy about:

• The bright white BOSS logo. They should just do it as an engraving. If it shipped as is, I'd spray paint the logo black.

• The external switches etc. They are black and subtle but further detracts from the aesthetics which are already somewhat unrealistic looking.

• The anti-theft feature. I'd rather they dump that feature and save the consumer some money. IMO, if someone is going to steel this thing, they're probably going to nick the entire gun with it, rather than try to remove the device. It's my responsibility to make sure my property is secure. I just don't really think someone with questionable morals at a game is going to be less inclined to steel my gun because it has an anti-theft feature.

• Price. $600-675 MSRP is going to be a tough sell for most consumers. I can see people willing to pay as much as $300 for it. But past that, I just don't see it getting the wide spread saturation this device has the potential for. The key will be getting these units out, into the fields everywhere for people to experience first hand and see how much ambience it adds.

 

Anyway, the above is simply my firsthand account and opinion. I think a lot more naysayers will change their opinions once they themselves experience it in person, but sight unseen, just based on the videos alone, I'm not surprised to see people reacting the way they do in this thread. It's quite understandable. Having experienced it ... I quite like what it has to offer and I'm seriously considering getting one.

[paranoiddroid]

It really is limited to m4 users though from what I can see, 8 can't see it on any of the leg's used by the team which is a crying shame, hell I want one for my p90.

[The Insider]

A good user review....^^  

but note...
 

Some won't like the price.

 

 

ALL... ALL wont like the price... i bet those selling... and even the BOSS' developers... wont like the price... lol

I'm a simple person... and with my simple maths... to me it just comes down to this....   what would you want more?....   one BOSS unit or 6 different ACM AEG's  ? 
 

Maybe they should (if not already) start considering a streamline 2.0 version... that is more wallet friendly.

[uscmCorps]

Anything with a high price tag will find a consumer that considers it acceptable depending on what that product has to offer. Look at cars. Based on airsofters as a whole, yes, probably over 85-90% will consider this too expensive. For me, having experienced this product firsthand, I'd rather have one Boss unit than 5-6 ACM AEGs. They don't expect to sell these to everybody. They hope to sell enough of these to see a return on their R&D investment and give people what they see as a cool product they feel the industry has been missing.

[Alias1983]

I don't think it will sell well, just like the noise making vsr10.

 

Might as well get that noisemaker flashhider.

[Im going space]

The vsr 10 didn't sell well because the gunshot noise it made was pants. It was a teeny speaker inside the stock

 

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[TheFull9]

If this were £600 in the UK, you'd get maybe 3 or 4 clone guns for the money and I'd take the BL Tech offering every time.

 

I've already got more than enough bb slinging devices that I've built up over time to a much nicer standard than an AEG you could buy for £150, so adding some more to the collection, taking up valuable storage space with guns that may or may not work well... yeah... no thanks.

 

Not saying I'm representative of the majority of the market, but that's the point.

[renegadecow]

The vsr 10 didn't sell well because

it didn't play John Cena's theme.