viking252200 Posted June 19, 2016 Report Share Posted June 19, 2016 I just picked one up today from sidearms in akihabara and here's my thought on said valve... According to what I've read, it should make the gun cycle even when the magazine is ice cold and each shot should be more consistent. Sounds good eh?! So for the sum of 26us$ I got one.... Home, I retreated to my man cave and procceded to install the ice pick in my marui high-capa This shoots between 80-83 m/s stock. After all the fiddly bits were in place, I charged the mag with 134 gas and waited for the mag to reach room temperature Firing 10 shots though the chrono, told the sad story.... Where stock showed a 3m/s deviation,the ice pick had a 7m/s deviation...from 84-77 m/s Is it worth it?...maybe in another set-up it would work better, but as far as I'm concerned, save your money. Link to post Share on other sites
renegadecow Posted June 19, 2016 Report Share Posted June 19, 2016 I wouldn't cast judgement right there myself. On rifles it's pretty normal to see 20fps deviation while not affecting medium range accuracy all that much. Plus you only tested it at room temperature. From what I've been told, the new valve excels in extreme cold weather where normal setups will simply stop working altogether. Link to post Share on other sites
Alias1983 Posted June 19, 2016 Report Share Posted June 19, 2016 I heard the same a the cow there that it helps in cold weather. Personally I change gas Link to post Share on other sites
NonEx Posted June 19, 2016 Report Share Posted June 19, 2016 I heard the same a the cow there that it helps in cold weather. Personally I change gas Did you have a stroke while typing that or WTF? Link to post Share on other sites
Alias1983 Posted June 19, 2016 Report Share Posted June 19, 2016 No why? Link to post Share on other sites
Lone_Bullet Posted June 20, 2016 Report Share Posted June 20, 2016 ' a the cow there ' Link to post Share on other sites
NonEx Posted June 20, 2016 Report Share Posted June 20, 2016 Well the whole sentence really Link to post Share on other sites
hitmanNo2 Posted June 20, 2016 Report Share Posted June 20, 2016 I ran it through my translator and got this. I heard the same as renegadecow. That it helps in cold weather.Personally, I would change to a higher pressure gas. Link to post Share on other sites
Alias1983 Posted June 20, 2016 Report Share Posted June 20, 2016 Yeah that but really I just missed the s for the a. Link to post Share on other sites
Gunnman Posted June 22, 2016 Report Share Posted June 22, 2016 Don't listen to them, I understood what you meant. Link to post Share on other sites
3vi1-D4n Posted June 22, 2016 Report Share Posted June 22, 2016 I tested this on a Marui SIG and a WE M1911. Both experienced FPS drop by 5-10fps, and increased in fluctuations. I had guys swear that it has made a difference in their M&P. But I believe its psychological. However to really test this I would suggest testing also on a SBR or rifle for proper due diligence. I have designed floating valves myself and it is very hard to get things right since there is no way to fully simulate the fluid dynamics during a violent ejection of gas (gas has nonlinear properties, such as turbulence and compressiveness). It can change the efficiency, impulse of the recoil and consistency of the gas output to the breech. Link to post Share on other sites
icolater Posted June 22, 2016 Report Share Posted June 22, 2016 Don't mean to be negative but if it was a better design, marui would be using it. Link to post Share on other sites
Guges Mk3 Posted July 7, 2016 Report Share Posted July 7, 2016 I have no issues with it. None has hiccuped on our test platforms. But we used TM and Stark Glocks. It also shoots better on TM mags. Link to post Share on other sites
3vi1-D4n Posted July 7, 2016 Report Share Posted July 7, 2016 The question is does it deliver the gains it promises? Link to post Share on other sites
Katotaka Posted July 9, 2016 Report Share Posted July 9, 2016 I'm a great believer of shot-to-shot consistency, that would be a no-go for me Link to post Share on other sites
Guges Mk3 Posted July 10, 2016 Report Share Posted July 10, 2016 When you play in 10C Weather...a functioning gun that fluctuates +/- 10 and takes the mag all the way down to "empty" is better than one that hiss and purges its gas. Then its "no" consistency. Sort of like driving a car when its -30C out. It runs, you are warm and you get to work. Who cares if you lose 10 miles per gallon...that's 16KM per 3.8L for you metric folks. Link to post Share on other sites
3vi1-D4n Posted July 10, 2016 Report Share Posted July 10, 2016 The venting is due to the flute valve spring tension and positioning rather than the flute valve design itself. Most WE pistols and rifles I take 1 and a half turns of spring off the flute valve, and voila cold weather performance solved. Consistency is due to the valve shape and design. Link to post Share on other sites
Lancaster Posted July 12, 2016 Report Share Posted July 12, 2016 I've tried to instal ICE Pick flute valves and turbo valves both with WE (MEU) and TM (1911/226) - the result is very dissapointing - in fact gas efficiency drops significantly, you get a cloud of liquid gas blowing into your face and not able to finish the mag. FPS drops as well. I've expierenced no low temp performance improvement at all. The story behind sounds so damn promissing though.... Maybe they've tested the product with some specific guns (WE tolarances may vary) or manufacturing let them down Link to post Share on other sites
bankz5152 Posted July 12, 2016 Report Share Posted July 12, 2016 hmmmmmm these looked very promising to start with. Consistency doesnt really bother me, I mean I doubt you would even notice a 10 - 20 fps change when actually playing.... Link to post Share on other sites
3vi1-D4n Posted July 13, 2016 Report Share Posted July 13, 2016 Not if it vents...definitely notice the difference there haha Link to post Share on other sites
Guges Mk3 Posted July 17, 2016 Report Share Posted July 17, 2016 I've tried to instal ICE Pick flute valves and turbo valves both with WE (MEU) and TM (1911/226) - the result is very dissapointing - in fact gas efficiency drops significantly, you get a cloud of liquid gas blowing into your face and not able to finish the mag. FPS drops as well. I've expierenced no low temp performance improvement at all. The story behind sounds so damn promissing though.... Maybe they've tested the product with some specific guns (WE tolarances may vary) or manufacturing let them down I have seen exact opposite of this from direct testing. Do you have a video of your GBB acting "normally" rather than how the valve was suppose to improve low temperature operation. By our posted videos ...what you describe is not an Ice Pick'd GBB. Live Chrono too. Link to post Share on other sites
NonEx Posted July 17, 2016 Report Share Posted July 17, 2016 Almost feels like this guy has stock invested in the Ice Pick company Link to post Share on other sites
Guges Mk3 Posted July 24, 2016 Report Share Posted July 24, 2016 I am a scholar...a seeker of details and truth. Prove me wrong, I will immediately admit it. Leave out details and I will pursue it... Link to post Share on other sites
mimesis Posted August 9, 2016 Report Share Posted August 9, 2016 UAC has come out with their own design. Link to post Share on other sites
emp3ror86 Posted August 11, 2016 Report Share Posted August 11, 2016 Maple leaf also has something similar to the UAC one. http://wgcshop.com/product_detail1.php?search_From=&item=MLTW-ESD-TMCV&search=special&rs=&catid=&cat=&view_choice=b Before I installed it the gun (TM G17 with a really long and intense history) had some cycling and venting issues. After it got somewhat better. I was lazy to do a chrono test as my chrono also started failing... Link to post Share on other sites
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