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#1 renegadecow

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Posted 01 September 2017 - 10:10 AM

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Posted 01 September 2017 - 10:25 AM

Niiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiice.


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Posted 01 September 2017 - 10:26 AM

You beat me posting it by a few minutes! Instant buy, no questions. 


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Posted 01 September 2017 - 12:32 PM

If they do a 550 in classic green it's a buy from me, actually scratch that I've a G&G 550 I could possibly use as a donor



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Posted 01 September 2017 - 12:42 PM

Hnnngh want.

I just hope GHK stop using their AEG barrel/hop up rubber combo and switch over to the TM GBB spec.

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Posted 01 September 2017 - 01:06 PM

Aaawh... Wish it was WE :| 


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#7 blobface

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Posted 01 September 2017 - 01:18 PM

Aaawh... Wish it was WE :| 

dafuq lol



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Posted 01 September 2017 - 01:26 PM

^

Would mean $150 less for the gun and $20 less for mags plus a sort of VSR hop up.



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Posted 01 September 2017 - 01:32 PM

but without the winter performance of GHK and no devilhunter mod.. as much as I'm a fan of WE's new stuff... 



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Posted 01 September 2017 - 01:41 PM

There's that, but mostly due to being designed for short stroke. Notice the charging handle only goes half way.

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Posted 01 September 2017 - 02:34 PM

This is good, good indeed.

 

With this on the market, it gives me enough confidence to say they will also make a GBB G3 in the near future, and a MP5 .

 

SIG related - looks cool, very unique.. most likely see what the price is for this bad boy.

 

 

 

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Posted 01 September 2017 - 02:36 PM

dafuq lol

 

Yeah I know GHK does good GBBRs. It's not that. I am just a WE fan boi and invested in their systems/platforms and as RC said probably cheaper, VSR support, full blow back travel and normally WE gets more aftermarket support as well (or maybe I just haven't looked at GHK aftermarket support much).

 

Not that a WE SIG 552 would share much with current WE rifles probably but still.

 

I still wish it was a WE :D


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Posted 01 September 2017 - 02:39 PM

Ayy 553! I hope they make other 55X series rifles.

While I'm not a fan, 556 and 556R using their existing AR and AK magazines would be awesome.

Because I am a little scared about what happens with production down the line. Niche gun with proprietary magazine, I hope they don't dry up too quickly.

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#14 Zereck

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Posted 01 September 2017 - 03:49 PM

There's that, but mostly due to being designed for short stroke. Notice the charging handle only goes half way.

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They short stroke their AKs too. I wonder why they do it. Gas efficency?



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Posted 01 September 2017 - 03:55 PM

Yup.  Gas efficiency/performance.


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Posted 01 September 2017 - 04:01 PM

If that were the case, wouldn't they have short stroked everything else they make? I'm more inclined to think they short stroked their AK to keep it from battering the rear trunnion to death, possibly the same with the SIG being somewhat related to an AK.



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Posted 01 September 2017 - 04:08 PM

Perhaps.  I just figured the AK recoil setup is not best suited for full travel GBB but trunnion failure is probably a better reason.

 

Supposedly someone was coming out with a full travel kit for GHK.  I wonder if it made it out and how it impacted things.


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Posted 01 September 2017 - 04:25 PM

I think it's a combination of both, and the travel of AK (and SIG) are significantly longer than the length of the rounds they fire, at least compared to the AR platform, so they could afford giving the AR and AUG full travel but not for these guys. That said, the GHK M4 on green gas is still more efficient than a WE M4 (likely due to magazine design as well) and a short stroked Vipertech M4.. and they seem to be pretty committed to release Devilhunter compatible CO2 mags eventually with guns they release, with the AUG CO2 mags finally being released a few months ago. 

 

Speaking of which, I just ordered the W&S full travel kit for the GHK AK, will update on the appropriate thread to see the performance hit with the kit. 


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Posted 01 September 2017 - 04:48 PM

Judging by the slow mo vids, it looks like the bolt gets chewed up by the receiver. The rear guide lugs of the bolt clear past the rail of the receiver and every time the bolt goes forward you can see some aluminum bits being nicked off.



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Posted 01 September 2017 - 05:40 PM

I celebrate the creation of a Sig 552 GBBR, whatever the brand.

Being a GHK it's pretty much a guarantee it will be extremely well build, will have a great gas millage while keeping a decent kick... and will have an awful AEG hop that will fail to provide anything close to decent accuracy and range, let alone sustain the range on consecutive shots. 
That's what GHK do. Great short stroked GBBRs with awful hops. So we shouldn't expect nor demand anything else from their SIG.

 

 

That said, the GHK M4 on green gas is still more efficient than a WE M4 (likely due to magazine design as well) and a short stroked Vipertech M4

That's bogus. Defining efficiency as the number of shots per mag fill is missing half of the picture. With that criteria, KWA guns with their pitiful recoil could be deemed the most efficient. 

Truth is, unless you're loosing gas between the mag gas route and the nozzle, nozzle and bolt carrier, or nozzle and chamber, all GBBRs are equally efficient. They are just designed and fine tuned for a different experience.
- KSC/KWA prioritises minimal gas consumption by using light bolts and short stroking, in detriment of recoil. 
- WE prioritises recoil and full travel, which obviously takes more gas
- GHK offers a compromise between both approaches.

Then it's just a matter of personal preference, and balancing of other factors such as hop type / quality, build materials, surface finish, models available, etc. My personal choice will always be WE just because I like my GBBRs with full travel bolts and strong recoil, and their VSRish hops to use Maple Leaf barrel and buckings. But I get why some people would prefer GHK, or even freaking KWAs.


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