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#1 calbur20

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Posted 08 January 2018 - 08:01 AM

Looks like VFC is releasing their own G3 GBBR, but knowing VFC, it'll be a stinking pile of *suitcase* when it gets released, just like their UMP, M4, MP5 and G36 series of GBBRs.

 

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#2 jv83

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Posted 08 January 2018 - 08:21 AM

Hope they will produce a Hensoldt copy as well.



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Posted 08 January 2018 - 10:32 AM

I've had better luck with their MP5s after the first batch were out of the way (sorted my first batch one out in the end) but I know a lot of people struggle with them . I've been looking forward to this since I heard about it earlier this year 



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Posted 08 January 2018 - 12:56 PM

So are we looking at another VFC wall hanger?


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#5 calbur20

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Posted 08 January 2018 - 01:06 PM

Pretty much yeah



#6 The Disavowed

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Posted 08 January 2018 - 02:19 PM

In fairness, isn't their 416 and 417, and even the ump9 supposed to be pretty reliable now? Maybe they have finally figured out how to make a gbb that works?

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#7 Bada Bing

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Posted 08 January 2018 - 02:29 PM

I thought that out of their entire lineup, the AR-15 type platform would be the safest option. It’s one that has been constantly improved upon.

I thought I’d be safe with their 416A5. To be fair, it’s alright actually.
There’s only a few things that could be refined to enable it to sit among big league of skirmishable GBBR’s.

I have to be honest, I’m lusting after that G3. But I bet the WE version would be the one to go for. Their MP5/Apache is dynamite!
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#8 Dimitri MdP

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Posted 08 January 2018 - 05:39 PM

Have you tried any VFC 2017 models? They have improved their GBBR game by leaps. 

Still think the WE will be much better (and much cheaper)


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#9 calbur20

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Posted 08 January 2018 - 06:39 PM

Bought the latest iteration of their UMP 45 mags last time I was in Taipei back in 2016. 

Still had the same old *suitcasey* mag design that made it self destruct after a year. 

417 users in my country also reported leakage in the bottom of their mags because of the same *suitcasey* mag design. 

So no, I ain't buying anything VFC makes that holds gas. 


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Posted 10 January 2018 - 12:15 AM

Hopefuly a psg1 is released, even moreso with decent performance as it is semi only.
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Posted 10 January 2018 - 03:12 AM

MSG90A1 would be more interesting than a PSG1 imo


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Posted 10 January 2018 - 05:23 AM

Nothing wrong with the HK 416 mags or the *P*Mags from VFC.  But yeah VFC platform does have some issues.  They have resolved a lot of it for their newer 2017 M4 series (forged receivers, etc).

 

VFCs are good, and can be made to be skirmishable. The only model I couldn't make to function was the Hk417 (great for hot weather no good below 15*C)

 

Also VFCs are dimensionally accurate to RS.  I even managed to fit a VFC G36K flash hider to work on a HK243 :)  Had to reprofile to 14mm -ve but cheaper than buying HK parts.  


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#13 renegadecow

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Posted 10 January 2018 - 06:10 AM

Wait, you're using airsoft for pressure bearing parts?!?
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#14 mrsevenstars

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Posted 10 January 2018 - 06:31 AM

Cant help it, im a fan of the psg. Forward assist and all. Lol. Had a couple of creaky TM ones back in the day as well as a whole bunch of sg1s and hk51s and i dont miss any of them except the PSGs. My friends had made msg90 style guns, never quite stuck on me. It was PSG or not. Do or do not there is no try. *yoda voice* lol

MSG90A1 would be more interesting than a PSG1 imo


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#15 3vi1-D4n

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Posted 10 January 2018 - 06:42 AM

Wait, you're using airsoft for pressure bearing parts?!?

 

Been using steel airsoft flash hiders on my RS for many years.  Cheaper and available.

 

 

Of course not all flashhiders would work, I would never put a UFC/VFC KAC triple tap on a rifle as it would explode, but I would use a G&P triple tap instead as they are far better constructed.  Due diligence is required.

 

I use vipers A1/A2 birdcages straight on 1/2 x 28mm as they fit, and they work straight and directly.

I use SRC brakes on AKs, SRC/WE slant comps on AKs

I use G&P comps on ARs, CA brakes on ARs, as well as angrygun comps

 

Best one so far is the angrygun 762socom comp/brake, fitted onto a 7" SBR, takes away the flash and provides upward compensation/braking as well as no concussion to the user or his buddies.  Much better than the G&P triple tap.

 

Most VFC parts are not gonna take pressure, only selected parts.

 

But yes am looking forward to the G3.  See how it compares with my WE SVD-M


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#16 renegadecow

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Posted 10 January 2018 - 08:48 AM

Man, that is some sketchy *suitcase*. I know you would at least be able to tell if a certain design might stand to some abuse but then there's also questioning the materials used by airsoft manufacturers and the likelihood that none of them are heat treated.
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#17 3vi1-D4n

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Posted 10 January 2018 - 09:02 AM

Flash hiders doesn't take impact, so hardening/heat treatment isn't required.  

 

Again, if you know what you are doing, its fine.  Many AR15s use alu gas blocks, but they make airsoft ones out of steel, but most don't have the port for the gas to go through.  All it takes is a drill in the right place and voila you have a working steel gas block for 1/5 the price.  Inokatsu front sight posts have gas ports drilled in and can be directly fitted onto an AR15.  G&Ps make their gas blocks out of hardened steel so drilling can be a pain, but fully functional gas blocks can be made, particularly if you want .625" front sights on GAU5A builds.


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#18 DarkLite

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Posted 10 January 2018 - 09:51 AM

I'd not like to be next to you at the firing range when your VFC flash hider decides it's had enough and turns into a nice cloud of hot, sharp fragments.


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Posted 10 January 2018 - 10:29 AM

Meh, had thousands of rounds through it, thats not going anywhere.  You should see the original flashhider the HK243 came with at the store, THAT was flimsy, it wasn't even the right thread.

 

Given the years I have been making guns, there is a lot of RS elitism and fear mongering around how strong firearm parts have to be.  Sure, for rifle calibres the bolt heads, locking lugs, barrels and breeches do need to be of a particular type of metal + hardened, as do pistons and firing pins, but everything else, not 100%.  Hammers can get away with adding hardened SS inserts, or using hard polymer, the bodies can be cast alu.  For flash hiders a number of considerations must be taken, things like muzzle pressure for the barrel length and calibre, as well as the flash hider material and construction.  Since most flash hiders aren't baffles like the KAC triple tap breaks, erosion from temperature and gas is minimal.  

 

Pistol calibres, you can get away with Zamak or T7075 + weights depending on chamber pressure and slide/bolt carrier design.   I can also add hardened surfaces onto pistol bolts to take better impact. The trick is in tuning weight of slide + recoil spring + hammer spring tensions.  Same principles as tuning a GBB.



#20 DarkLite

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Posted 10 January 2018 - 10:36 AM

I'll defer to your expertise in building real gnus, though I wouldn't necessarily run them on real gnus myself.

 

Back to the OP: VFC GBBRs are a pile of hot unmentionables in most respects - especially their MP5 line. I'll watch from a distance but I'd bet on the WE version being a more solid performer.


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