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Umarex KWC Beretta M9A3 CO2 GBB Pistol Official Elite Force

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#1 NonEx

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Posted 24 January 2018 - 10:06 PM

So, I recently watched a review by Sootch on the RS Beretta M9A3 and was like "Hey, that looks pretty cool!".

 

 

So I Googled "M9A3 airsoft" to see if there was any replica out. And I got a hit on YouTube, from Shot Show 2017 (last year).

 

 

Also some info about an upcoming KSC M9A3 (I don't like KSC)

 

They say there that it is an early prototype and under the Elite Force name.

US Elite Force version supposedly has a full-auto switch.

 

Well, then I went on to https://www.airsoftdb.com/ and looked for it, and it is actually out in Europe :D

https://www.airsoftdb.com/search/?q=m9a3&r=all

 

And I bought one, and just got it! :D

No full-auto on this one, maybe just German specific (semi only law for airsoft)

 

Not test-fired it yet.

 

Bought it from a German store with the help of Google Translate from Conos Store for €149 EUR ($185 USD, £130 GBP): https://www.conos-store.de/beretta-m9a3-fde/airsoft/a-15654/

(out of stock now)

 

Apparently it's been out as a 4.5mm CO2 pistol for while.

 

Anyways.

 

Positives

 

  • Official replica
  • Replicates pretty much all new features of the M9A3
  • Nice color replication
  • Full blow back
  • CO2 out of the box
  • Decent details
  • Feels good
  • Preliminary it seems it will take RS M9A3 grips with minor mods (tested with M9 grips but the extended mag release is in the way)

 

Negatives

 

  • Frame is plastic :( (BUT, if you want to think positive, you can imagine it is Berettas step towards a polymer framed M9A3, and it looks and feels pretty good so not a huge deal actually!)
  • Markings are white laser etched
  • No functioning de-cocker (trigger disengage only)
  • KWC OEM (not sure if that is really bad, considering how I feel about their 1911s :D )

 

I shall post some pictures in a bit! :)

 

And maybe start a review topic tomorrow.

 

EDIT: 

 

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Edited by NonEx, 24 January 2018 - 11:54 PM.


#2 Wingmann

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Posted 25 January 2018 - 04:38 PM

Vertecs hurt my eyes :(


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Posted 25 January 2018 - 08:06 PM

Yeh I am not a fan of the flat backstrap and grips either. Gonna try and get some RS Hogue grips on it.

 

I like the "Beretta hump" grip.



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Posted 03 February 2018 - 03:39 PM

Wish they would make this with the hammer drop safety as I'd probably buy one (even thought I'm not a big M9 fan). A big plus on the "hump grip" though.


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Posted 05 February 2018 - 12:37 PM

You mentioned KSC in description...but yeah KWC...not top shelf for quality.  Your images show the many rough edges.  Hope the fron of the slide does not blow off due to impure alloys.


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#6 NonEx

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Posted 05 February 2018 - 06:45 PM

Yes, this one i KWC.

 

The KSC I mentioned is that they also have an M9A3 in the works.

 

Which rough edges? :o

I actually find the slide machining and finishing to be pretty nice.



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Posted 06 February 2018 - 10:55 AM

Personally it is the white scroll etching that I dislike the most, ksc/kwa seem to like that, but when the original markings are engraved then I feel it cheapens the look of the replica. I don't mind if the original gun uses it, like b&t.

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Posted 06 February 2018 - 12:18 PM

Mmm - quite like this.

 

How is it to fire? below 350?

 

I think the aesthetics look great - what is the system compatible with? Is the KWC a non Marui platform? I assume ts different to the KSC/KWA one too?



#9 Guges Mk3

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Posted 06 February 2018 - 03:52 PM

KSC/KWA does not use white.   KSC prides themselves on 1:1 fully funtional GBB's (working safety, real type trigger spring...etc.

 

The item pictured is "not" KSC.  It's a "KWC"

 

The rough parts are the cast marks.  

Spring Guide finish is flaking

Barrel is not centered in slide, it will wear unevenly on left side

White laser etching is pock marked

Barrel Finish is inconsistent, bits of unfinished metal showing on parts.

Lower is not consistent in machining as well as slide. (Picture 6)

 

Being that it is a KWC on CO2.  It's meant for only one thing...economic benefit for the company selling it.  I know...I used to work for a company like that and have been to the "old" KWC facility in Taiwan.  Not the new one...


Edited by Guges Mk3, 06 February 2018 - 03:54 PM.

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Posted 06 February 2018 - 04:38 PM

Personally it is the white scroll etching that I dislike the most, ksc/kwa seem to like that, but when the original markings are engraved then I feel it cheapens the look of the replica. I don't mind if the original gun uses it, like b&t.

 

This is a KWC replica, not KSC/KWA.

 

 

Mmm - quite like this.

 

How is it to fire? below 350?

 

I think the aesthetics look great - what is the system compatible with? Is the KWC a non Marui platform? I assume ts different to the KSC/KWA one too?

 

FPS is around 310-330. KWC uses proprietary system, non TM/KSC/KWA compatible.



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Posted 08 February 2018 - 12:09 PM

Darn - will wait for a Marui kit or a KSC then.



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Posted 15 February 2018 - 05:46 AM

I can't believe Beretta is still pushing the 92. Sure, it's not much older than the P220 but It's such a finicky and rudimentary design. 



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Posted 15 February 2018 - 08:21 AM

One of the best, if not the best pistol designs aesthetically though.
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#14 Gunnman

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Posted 15 February 2018 - 12:40 PM

True, very sexy.


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Posted 15 February 2018 - 02:32 PM

True, very sexy.

 

Exactly my thoughts on the Beretta M9. Nothing compares. And "sexy" is exactly the right word, strange as it is to use in regards to a firearm :o


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