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  1. WolverineAirsoft

    Wolverine SMP HPA cylinder replacement

    I will do my best to ignore the fact that you just accused me and my company of misrepresenting my results in order to sell my product. Given the frequency which that occurs in many industries including our own you can hardly be faulted for assuming that.But as someone who runs the most transparent and honest business that i possibly can, that accusation (while I'm in the process of trying to help you on a public forum understand and correct a problem you are having rather than sweeping the issue under the rug like many companies would) is extremely offensive. You apparently don't understand my point so I will try one more time: I never claimed there were no challenges associated with hop up set up with our system. I tell people all the time that it is more picky about and likes different arrangements of hop up than AEGs. I also never claimed that others haven't seen similar issues at times. In fact I volunteered that I have a gun acting up on my bench right now. What I said is that it is not helpful and factually incorrect if your default opinion is that it is impossible or at least extremely rare to achieve good results with our system. And I support that by any number of many witnesses (users) who have done so. I appreciate your willingness to try things suggested. At this point I am unclear who is needing help with an SMP and of what variety. That's what I came here to do and I'm hopeful that it will still end up being of benefit. I'm afraid I have no suggestions for your polarstar set up seeing as I have only ever touched one a few times and have no real expertise in them at all.
  2. WolverineAirsoft

    Wolverine SMP HPA cylinder replacement

    What you just said is why I said earlier I wasn't sure this was going to accomplish anything. If you don't accpet the proof of thousands of users who don't have this issue as evidence that it is not somethign inherently wrong with HPA...me finding what the problem is in the one setup I have that displays this type of behavior is not going to convince you. But I'll do it anyway in hopes that it is informative for others reading.
  3. WolverineAirsoft

    Wolverine SMP HPA cylinder replacement

    Sorry, been super busy so still haven't gotten to try what I wanted to with that gun. Again, please understand I am not giving you ANY information regarding whatever problems you may have with polarstar. The systems are completely different and need to be treated as such. The issues are fundamentally something having to do with how the system meshes with a hop up, and I do not believe there is one magic bullet solution when they arise. It's just a matter of systematically working through and finding what is wrong. In this case after trying multiple buckings and correcting the alignment I realized that all the stock hop up chamber is extremely loose and BBS simply fall through into the chamber with no force. I believe that is causing inconsistency as sometimes the bb will already be in the chamber at the start of firing and sometimes it will be pushed in as part of the shot. I have a good deal of travel over the next few weeks including going to Germany for the IWA, so I'm not sure when exactly I will get to it. It is still on my workbench however so it will get done eventually.
  4. WolverineAirsoft

    Wolverine SMP HPA cylinder replacement

    Just got the E&L AK apart. cursory inspection shows that the nozzle used seems to be an LCT length not a TM length. That by itself would likely have caused poor performance. I'll be installing using our FAL nozzle which is extremely close in length to the LCT. I'll report back once I have the installation done.
  5. WolverineAirsoft

    Wolverine SMP HPA cylinder replacement

    @Hatchet: If you give me a couple days, I have an E&L AK74U sitting here waiting to be operated on. I will install the SMP and post my findings and see if there is anything I can help with as far as tracking down what may be causing you trouble.
  6. WolverineAirsoft

    Wolverine SMP HPA cylinder replacement

    So...I'm happy to help with SMP but honestly I don't have the first bit of expertise with Polarstar so I'm kind of out of the discussion at this point. The play in the SMP nozzle should not be an issue. That is typical. I'm honestly a little confused at this point as to what hop up is being used with what set up. Could we keep seperate threads for the Polarstart discussion and the SMP discussion? I thought you were using the lonex with the SMP but now it seems it is with the Polarstar. As far as the shooting video with the SMP, there is definitely something not right with the hop up/set up. You don't seem to be rubbing on the chamber, so that's good. Are you sure the bucking lips aren't extending into path of the bb causing the bbs to catch on them as it goes past? I say that because you seem to be getting random scatter in all directions. Can you give me an idea of the range that tree in the center of the picture is?
  7. WolverineAirsoft

    Wolverine SMP HPA cylinder replacement

    Also, to be perfectly clear, I wasn't trying to throw Polarstar under the bus and say oh their accuracy sucks but ours doesn't. I was simply pointing out that assuming one is the same as the other is a bad plan as you said. :-)
  8. WolverineAirsoft

    Wolverine SMP HPA cylinder replacement

    Perhaps we have different standards of accuracy. I'm a little miffed that you would just blow off the videos. While I agree that seeing the flight path would be great, my point was simply that stating that it is impossible to achieve good accuracy with the system is patently false. The videos demonstrate what I would consider extremely good accuracy in far from optimal conditions regardless of any flight path characteristics. In the one video it is quite windy, in the other completely dark to the point I couldn't even see the target, and certainly couldn't see where my shots were missing and adjust. I was just going off of a rough knowledge of the target location. Unless you just want to say you don't believe me and the others doing the videos about the distances/target sizes. :-) As far as making the comparison to Polarstar, that is a very dangerous assumption. Multiple people have observed that the two systems do not behave at all the same, particulary as it pertains to applying hop to the bb. I think you will find if you set up two identical guns and swap the upper back and forth, the P* will apply much more hop at a given setting than the SMP corresponding to the bb being pushed faster across the hop up rubber. IIRC the nozzle should be 15.75-16.25mm from the front of the gearbox in the forward position. if you want to get really specific there is some variation fom one brand to the next. I think some even are a touch shorter than that. In my testing I have found it to be ideal if the SMP nozzle is between 0 and .5mm longer than the stock nozzle. As far as your set up goes: 1. I have not had great results with the W type hops. The Maple leaf is a better choice with this set up. 2. For the hop up unit itself, I have it on good authority the neck of that particular hop up unit is narrow and doesn't allow enough space for the nozzle to move freely. I have not tried it myself but the tech using it said he had to bore out the neck of the lonex hop up unit just a bit to get good consistent results. (edit: while I was in the process of writing this seems K-P jumped on here and commented so...he explainted it in much greater detail.) 3. BBs? I hope you were only using .2's for chrono not actually range testing. No HPA system I have ever seen (and certainly not the SMP) does well with light ammo. Heavy BBs, even at low velocity. I'll run .3's at 1J all day and have great range and consistency. I would guess you know that but I don't like to make assumptions. I'm going to be perfectly honest: I'm not sure you really are willing to be convinced. It seems to me you have already made your decision that you don't like HPA in general. If that's the case I'm not offended, but I'd really rather not waste both of our time talking past each other as so often happens on forums. If my assesment of the situation is wrong, please pardon me, no offense is meant.
  9. WolverineAirsoft

    Wolverine SMP HPA cylinder replacement

    Are you suggesting that it's impossible to acheive accuracy with the current set up? If so I'd reference you to the following two links. (a host more data could be produced as well but these are two simple visual proofs) https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=935512989810271 https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10101942395889974 Not trying to be argumentative, just pointing out that saying there's a fundamental intrinsic problem is barking up the wrong tree. The vast majority of set ups have no problems. In fact I have yet to see a set up myself that acts this way that didn't end up being a set up problem, which is why at this point all I can do is guess as to the cause. I've had my share of tricky set ups, but it always came down to something not being quite right with the set up. ~Rich
  10. WolverineAirsoft

    Wolverine SMP HPA cylinder replacement

    Hatchet, To be honest piecemeal builds like that are the worst case scenario as far as having alignment issues/fitment issues. You easily could have either alignment problems or the nozzle could be the wrong length. As you said it would definitely be best to have someone with experience doing these builds look at it. As far as a list of what manufacturers are drop in's, the issue rarely is that the parts don't fit nominally speaking, it's that different manufacturers have varying degrees of tolerance control. So for instance if you go with a very high end manufacturer like VFC, Krytac, G&P, etc, you are far less likely to have such issues. But even the best will occasionally have a bad apple in the bunch. There's not one manufacturer I haven't seen at least one case of poor alignment with. However the situation is made MUCH worse when you mix and match parts since different manufacturers have different tolerances. So really all I can say is that the better quality the external build, the less likely you are to have issues, but you always need to check, cause sometimes you just get unlucky. For example, I've done quite a few Krytac builds. Build quality is top notch, but one of them, the alighment was off side to side. All the others was dead nuts perfect, but that one something was off spec and needed to be straightened out before finishing the installation. It goes with the territory as far as HPA builds needing much higher precision than AEG's. AEG's can handle slop because they are themselves sloppy and have lots of play. HPA builds are not and need things to be just right.
  11. WolverineAirsoft

    Wolverine SMP HPA cylinder replacement

    What platform was your original installation in? I haven't done the E&L yet. Probably next week.
  12. WolverineAirsoft

    Wolverine SMP HPA cylinder replacement

    Oh one more thing. I think someone said that since the FPS wasn't varying they knew they were getting a good seal. I used to think that was the case, and certainly it usually is. However, in the process of doing some experimenting one of the guns I was doing ended up with a nozzle a full 2mm too short. However it took me forever to find because, to my amazement it still shot +/- 2fps, just extremely low fps. That is to some extent off topic, but as it is something you would probably never guess until you see it for yourself I thought I would share. ~Rich
  13. WolverineAirsoft

    Wolverine SMP HPA cylinder replacement

    Hey guys, since this post was pointed out to me, I thought I'd get on here and see if I could be of any assistance. I want to clear a couple things up first and then I'll see if maybe I can shed some light on where to look. Full disclosure: I have had a handfull of complaints along these lines over the course of the last six months. The difficulty is that I have never been able to put hands on the gun myself to determine what the issue is. If someone would like to vounteer to ship their gun acting this way to me, I'll be happy to take a look at it in person. As far as it goes, the vast majority of issues along these lines ARE allignment issues. Search the Users Group on facebook if you like and you'll see plenty of cases of people having problems with unstable shots and it being fixed once the alignment is correct. The OP is right in saying that sometimes you just get unlucky and the gun you are installing in isn't straight so you have to fix the alignment. However I have a couple cases of people saying the alignment is perfect and their hop up is good and it is still doing this. Let me make a slight disclaimer: The thing people blow off (as was referenced in the previous post) is the insinuation that the inaccuracy is somehow inherent with the system. That notion is blown off because honestly there is sufficient documented evidence of the system shooting extremely accurately at a wide range of pressures to make the option that it is somehow inherrant and unavoidable with the system untennable. However, I will be the FIRST (as the designer of the SMP) to tell you that it is more picky about your hop up/alignment/system tolerances being right than an AEG is. So with that said let me offer some things to look at for those that are SURE the alignment is good. Even if you think it is, humor me and double check using the flashlight method as I've been told time and again that people are sure it is right only to find out to the contrary. -System lubrication: While this isn't usually an issue especially when new, it can cause this type of behavior so it should be checked. We recommend TechT gun sav. Lubricate all orings including the small front nozzle oring inside the housing. -Nozzle length: It is possible that your unit could have a component which is out of tolerance causing the nozzle length to be too long or too short. In particular the nozzle length being too long can cause this type of issue as it physically shoves the bb past the hop nub. While I have never seen the parts be that out of tolerance, it is certainly possible and should be checked. -Other component defects: It is possible there could be some other physical defect causing the SMP to not cycle smoothly consistently. A scratched surface, a burr catching/dragging on something, a miss shaped oring. These things are not necessarily easy to track down. Hopefully this is helpful and can point some people in the right direction. As someone who has invested their heart and soul in developing this product, I want my customers to be happy with it and at the end of the day if you aren't I'm willing to do whatever necessary to make it right. That's why I spend countless hours on the facebook forum helping people learn about and troubleshoot the system when they have issues. I'm hoping we can figure out what these ellusive bugs are that seem to cause people problems occasionally so that we can help people solve them more quickly in the process. ~Rich
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