DarkLite Posted May 3, 2007 Report Share Posted May 3, 2007 Not true, ICS switched gears in their 2007 models to be all TM compatible. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Do the 2007 versions come with metal bushings? I worked on three ICS AEGs before, an AK74m and two M4s, one of which was bought in 2007. The AK had a turbo 2000 and metal bushings, and the gears were not TM compatible. The older M4 had plastic bushings and a turbo 2000, and the gears were not TM compatible. The newer M4 had a turbo 3000, and plastic bushings, and the gears were not TM compatible. I admit I didn't check the rest of the gun for any of the other upgrades on the 2007 line, but I assumed it was a 2007 because of the Turbo 3000. So, either my client got fleeced, and sold a pre-07 M4 with a turbo 3000, or ICS haven't changed the gears. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Epyon Posted May 3, 2007 Report Share Posted May 3, 2007 (edited) Any current ICS is fully TM compatible. Turbo 2000 models and the very early Turbo 3000 models were not. *EDIT* Very nice review Fareast! If you use a TM style stock do you lose the ability to open the receiver? I've wanted one of these puppies since I first saw it. I completely agree on the carry handle. Easily remedied though Edited May 3, 2007 by Epyon Quote Link to post Share on other sites
FarEast Posted May 3, 2007 Author Report Share Posted May 3, 2007 It prevents you from removing the upper gearbox assembly but not from fliping the upper receiver up to expose the gear boxes. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
tome Posted May 3, 2007 Report Share Posted May 3, 2007 From my experience, you can attach a marui compatible stock tube with a shorter screw so that it won't intefere with the upper gearbox. It requires a bit of filing of the part that the stock tube fits onto but it's entirely possible Quote Link to post Share on other sites
FarEast Posted May 3, 2007 Author Report Share Posted May 3, 2007 From my experience, you can attach a marui compatible stock tube with a shorter screw so that it won't intefere with the upper gearbox. It requires a bit of filing of the part that the stock tube fits onto but it's entirely possible <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Sorry but i have to disagree, Tokyo Marui stocks work by srewing into the actual gear boxes where the spring guide is. Just take alook at the image below, It's from the front page, bottom hole is for the ICS stocks, top hole is for Marui, and guess what, it goes straight into the upper gear box. So it is going to interfere with the gear box isn't it? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
cazboab Posted May 3, 2007 Report Share Posted May 3, 2007 (edited) Fareast you've taken the wrong bit off dude. Pop the sliding stock off the tube by pulling down on the rocker and take the end off the tube by undoing the screw revealed inside the last notch for the stock, look inside the tube and down the end you'll see a screw. Undo this and the widget that fits inside the gap on the back of the receiver and attaches by the flat head screw comes off the other end, this is the bit you fiddle with to screw a TM style tube on. Edited May 3, 2007 by cazboab Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Onerimeuse Posted May 3, 2007 Report Share Posted May 3, 2007 Would it be possible to transplant this gearbox into a TM or TM compatible? ((in my case the VFC 416)) I love that two part design. On another note, anyone want to buy an old but still working Mp5k PDW with metal body? no reason... *goes to check stock on various retailers* Quote Link to post Share on other sites
cazboab Posted May 3, 2007 Report Share Posted May 3, 2007 (edited) The ICS mech will only work properly in an ICS receiver, due to the way the forward assist works, how the stock attaches and the fact its actually very slightly longer than a marui mech (or copy thereof). You can get the same features by fitting a PCG pro-win gearbox, although the gearbox costs $230 and there's a lot of work involved. Edited May 3, 2007 by cazboab Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Gigueand Posted May 3, 2007 Report Share Posted May 3, 2007 Just for a note, on the full stock ICS guns (not sure about the sliding stock) the stock screw goes into the same hole as on a marui. The difference is that while the marui screw actually reaches the gearbox and spring guide, the screw on the ICS does not and actually threads into the reciver. The back end of FarEast's gun looks quite a bit different from the ICS recievers I've seen... although I can only speak about my own gun. I think the difference is probably due to the way the folding stock connects to the gun, although I could be wrong. On another note, I find it hard to believe that people have not encountered ICS guns. It seems like the innovative gearbox design would be a draw. Indeed, that is why I have purchased two ICS guns. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
The Reptile House Posted May 3, 2007 Report Share Posted May 3, 2007 The back end of FarEast's gun looks quite a bit different from the ICS recievers I've seen... although I can only speak about my own gun. I think the difference is probably due to the way the folding stock connects to the gun, although I could be wrong. Both of mine look like that without the stock adaptor connected (the bit that goes between the receiver and a full or LE stock). The folding stock's buffer tube has it's own integral adaptor. On another note, I find it hard to believe that people have not encountered ICS guns. It seems like the innovative gearbox design would be a draw. Indeed, that is why I have purchased two ICS guns. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Same here on the unique selling point. The ICS split gearbox is a gem. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Gigueand Posted May 3, 2007 Report Share Posted May 3, 2007 Ah, my mistake... I forgot about the stock adapter. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
The Reptile House Posted May 3, 2007 Report Share Posted May 3, 2007 ...and here it is: Quote Link to post Share on other sites
seppuku Posted May 4, 2007 Report Share Posted May 4, 2007 (edited) Sorry for the primitive question, but how does the other controls (specifically the dust cover, hop-up, and charging handle) work on the ICS? I have a G&G M16, and opening the dust cover to access the hop-up adjuster dial can be a somewhat frustrating task, and the charging handle does nothing more than make a "neat" sound when you pull it back and release. Edited May 4, 2007 by seppuku Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Gigueand Posted May 4, 2007 Report Share Posted May 4, 2007 The ICS has the fully functional charging handle that flips open the dust cover. Unfortunately, the charging handle does not have a mechanism which keeps it pulled back so you can access the hope with two hands. One hand has to be applying force to pull back the charging handle while the other hand fiddles with the adjustment dial. So, adjusting the hop in an ICS is probably just as frustrating a task as in the G&G. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
tome Posted May 4, 2007 Report Share Posted May 4, 2007 ...and here it is: <{POST_SNAPBACK}> That's what i mean As has been said above the stock screw threads into the adaptor rather than the gearbox as in TM. I'd imagine that FarEast got confused because the folding stock edition doesn't have this "standard" stock adaptor. Though the person who took the picture has put the screw into it from the wrong side!!! (I know it's not you Reptile hehe) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
FarEast Posted May 9, 2007 Author Report Share Posted May 9, 2007 I'd imagine that FarEast got confused because the folding stock edition doesn't have this "standard" stock adaptor. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> No your right it doesn't! Thank you for clarifying this for me Tome, So basically players that purchase the sliding stock version will be able to attach Marui stocks to the ICS. Yet another little bonus! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Apex Posted May 20, 2007 Report Share Posted May 20, 2007 The sling cap version comes with both the sliding and folding stock version Does that mean the sling cap version has the other two stocks in the box with it ? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
FarEast Posted May 20, 2007 Author Report Share Posted May 20, 2007 Does that mean the sling cap version has the other two stocks in the box with it ? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> No, the sling cap version has no other stock with it, so i would recommend that you get a version with a stock. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
The Reptile House Posted May 20, 2007 Report Share Posted May 20, 2007 Anyone found a source for the sling end cap alone? I use the one I got with my CQB between that and my Para, so I want an extra one. I know ICS produce them separately, but they're stil not on Z1's website. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ksk Posted June 2, 2007 Report Share Posted June 2, 2007 Anyone found a source for the sling end cap alone? I use the one I got with my CQB between that and my Para, so I want an extra one. I know ICS produce them separately, but they're stil not on Z1's website. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> The sling end cap part number is MA-86 from Z1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
thartwig Posted June 14, 2007 Report Share Posted June 14, 2007 how is the gun holding up FarEast? How many bbs have you put through it. (an approximation is fine) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Grease Monkey. Posted July 14, 2007 Report Share Posted July 14, 2007 (edited) Can you put an ordinairy ICS stock or any other stock on the M4 CQB? Like, would this fit on the M4 CQB? Edited July 14, 2007 by Grease Monkey. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Glumly Posted August 31, 2007 Report Share Posted August 31, 2007 Can anyone confirm or deny if the battery box will take a standard mini battery? i see some people saying yes and some saying no so im confused! this is the only issue stopping me picking up the side folding stock version of this beautiful gun Quote Link to post Share on other sites
LegitMaan Posted September 8, 2007 Report Share Posted September 8, 2007 (edited) Can anyone confirm or deny if the battery box will take a standard mini battery? i see some people saying yes and some saying no so im confused! this is the only issue stopping me picking up the side folding stock version of this beautiful gun <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I managed to squeeze a mini in there and secure the caps. The box doesn't seal completely so I may buy a mini nun-chuck battery just to get the perfect fit. Can someone recommend me a good threadlock? The barrel nut on my CQB is a bit loose and I can easily twist the handguard side to side. It was like this out of the box too. Edit: I forgot I had an armorer's wrench. I'll see if that works tomorrow. Edited September 8, 2007 by LegitMaan Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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