CC22 Posted August 29, 2007 Report Share Posted August 29, 2007 Think you misunderstood him - pretty sure he means this.... Thats what I pictured when he said "upturned nail thing" <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Oh ok... I thought he meant it as in it hung down from the top of the sight as you look through it! (i.e. as in the SUIT lol). My mistake. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Rogue Trooper Posted August 29, 2007 Report Share Posted August 29, 2007 Thanks guys (especialy FarEast & Rolling Thunder!) This has to be the most comprehensive review/Q&A i have ever read! Even with the probs people have encountered it has not put me off buying one! Have wanted to finish my british loadout but didnt fancy forking out for a star or G&G! Cant decide if i should carry out the piston mods straight away or wait for it to lunch itsself! Maybe the second production batch will be better (fingers crossed) I have pre ordered one from Action Hobbies, has anyone dealt with them? no horror stories i hope! As Army have cloned the G&G for the R85, i wonder (and hope!) if they will clone the Star LSW as i realy dont want to pay £550 for a gun which, by all accounts needs a host of upgrades to make it useable. Thanks again guys, you have put my fears about this gun to rest! Huge thumbs up for all the research & effort, Well done!! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sale Posted August 30, 2007 Report Share Posted August 30, 2007 (edited) rolling-thunder: Then the guys who reported the groupings to you must have gotten centimeters and millimeters mixed up. I would like to make clear that ten shots in a grouping of 10-15 centimeters to 300 yards and 25 centimeters to 500 yards is extremely impressive for any shooter with an L85 and SUSAT. I'm not saying I'm a very good shot with a rifle, but for what it's worth I can't do that: It's beyond my skill level. Groupings one tenth of this size (if you replace cm with mm) are not believeable to me. It is possible with luck, but the mechanical accuracy of the weapon and cartridge does not allow it to happen repeatedly. On the topic, Redwolf seems to have a new spacer on their site with a much more attractive price than the previous one: http://redwolfairsoft.com/redwolf/airsoft/...il?prodID=23180 -Sale Edited August 30, 2007 by Sale Quote Link to post Share on other sites
rwoodcock01 Posted August 30, 2007 Report Share Posted August 30, 2007 Thanks for the heads up Sale, I am not having any grief with my AEG but might well pick up one of these as a precaution. Cheers Rich rolling-thunder: Then the guys who reported the groupings to you must have gotten centimeters and millimeters mixed up. I would like to make clear that ten shots in a grouping of 10-15 centimeters to 300 yards and 25 centimeters to 500 yards is extremely impressive for any shooter with an L85 and SUSAT. I'm not saying I'm a very good shot with a rifle, but for what it's worth I can't do that: It's beyond my skill level. Groupings one tenth of this size (if you replace cm with mm) are not believeable to me. It is possible with luck, but the mechanical accuracy of the weapon and cartridge does not allow it to happen repeatedly. On the topic, Redwolf seems to have a new spacer on their site with a much more attractive price than the previous one: http://redwolfairsoft.com/redwolf/airsoft/...il?prodID=23180 -Sale <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Quote Link to post Share on other sites
my_plague_666 Posted August 30, 2007 Report Share Posted August 30, 2007 rougue trooper: action hobbys are fine, never had any problems with them Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Rogue Trooper Posted August 30, 2007 Report Share Posted August 30, 2007 Thanks my plague 666, am always nervous of using a new company! Good link sale, might have to get one of those and a systema piston, Will throw in a tight bore barrel and a new hop, just cant decide if a tm or systema would be best, has anyone had any joy fitting their new hop yet? Also which motor have people been using as a replacement, im sure i read which one somewhere but cant seem to find the post now! Cant wait to get my grubby little mits on this gun, only more 7 days to go till mine arrives ... Hopefuly! (Oh great god of airsoft, be kind!) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
rambo11 Posted August 30, 2007 Report Share Posted August 30, 2007 Iv got a star and there is NO comparison between thease two guns the coppy is a load of ###### even for the mony i would not buy one they look and feel bad.Iv held my star and a real steel and they look and feel the same.The G&G coppy feels like it came from a toy shop.I know two peaple who bought one of thease each for a weekend game and thay both fell to bits.To eneybody wanting to buy an sa80 take a look at both before you buy Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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Rogue Trooper Posted August 30, 2007 Report Share Posted August 30, 2007 White rabbit sorry chap but if star are good. how come my local airsoft shop's engineers (who are regarded wery highly by all and are offical an classic army service centre) REFUSE to work on Star weapons stating bad design and poor quality! Belive me its a shame as i badly want a star LSW but wont buy a very expensive gun like that without technical backup! Whereas a gun for £110 im prepared to work on myself and not be too bothered Also there seem to be many users on this post who, after a few minor glitches seem to have good weapons, have used one myself, and a star for that matter and yes the star is a tad more realistic but the army preforms pretty damn GOOD! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
iloveics Posted August 30, 2007 Report Share Posted August 30, 2007 The star l85 is a very nice bit of kit! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
rolling-thunder Posted August 30, 2007 Report Share Posted August 30, 2007 I have to say even though it has been a good number of years since i last picked up a L85 A1,when i picked up the AA R85 nothing screamed cheap at me.I don't know why CA Engineers wont pick up a Star gun,all airsoft guns have some sort of problem & none of them operate flawlessly with out some care.Why should the AA Gun be any differant.I'm getting very tempted to go get my R85 out again & put a few thousand rounds through it,the current total is 3500 with out a problem & it's even stopped dropping a BB out of the muzzle when the barrel is lowered. Unfortuantely nothing bores me like punching paper,once the initial set up is done & i'm happy i don't usually get my guns out until it's time to game. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Pilko Posted August 30, 2007 Report Share Posted August 30, 2007 Iv got a star and there is NO comparison between thease two guns the coppy is a load of ###### even for the mony i would not buy one they look and feel bad.Iv held my star and a real steel and they look and feel the same.The G&G coppy feels like it came from a toy shop.I know two peaple who bought one of thease each for a weekend game and thay both fell to bits.To eneybody wanting to buy an sa80 take a look at both before you buy <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I think 47 pages of posts have comprehensively explained the advantages and disadvantages of the R85. By the way, the picture????? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
iloveics Posted August 30, 2007 Report Share Posted August 30, 2007 Iv got a star and there is NO comparison between thease two guns the coppy is a load of ###### even for the mony i would not buy one they look and feel bad.Iv held my star and a real steel and they look and feel the same.The G&G coppy feels like it came from a toy shop.I know two peaple who bought one of thease each for a weekend game and thay both fell to bits.To eneybody wanting to buy an sa80 take a look at both before you buy <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Rehearly? Star is very nice, but so was the G&G Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Rogue Trooper Posted August 30, 2007 Report Share Posted August 30, 2007 rolling thunder I dont know why the engineers wont work on the star guns at the shop (would rather not drop their name in, wouldnt be fair!), will check next time i go there! glad to hear yours is still ok Am soo jealouse of you guys that have them already, cant wait for mine, gimme gimme gimme! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
rolling-thunder Posted August 30, 2007 Report Share Posted August 30, 2007 rolling thunder I dont know why the engineers wont work on the star guns at the shop (would rather not drop their name in, wouldnt be fair!), will check next time i go there! glad to hear yours is still ok I totally understand dude!I'm really begining to get survivors guilt here which is why i keep getting tempted to take the gun out to see if there are any issues with it.I'm at the point now where i feel it has proved itself useable.The next step up is proving it's reliable in a weekend game but that wont be happening now until next year but even by then it will still be worth reporting my findings. The R85 had a review in this months AI magazine,it didn't shine with the cocking handle falling off before they even got it out of the box.The way they report it makes their gun & my gun sound completely differant but the opinion in the end was it's still worth buying;of course it is Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Rogue Trooper Posted August 30, 2007 Report Share Posted August 30, 2007 (edited) I wonder if AI's review gun was from the first production batch? correct me if im wrong but the 2nd batch has an improved cocking handle etc. am not too worried anyway as my friend has a workshop with pretty much anything i could need Yours seems to have fired a couple of thousand rounds without many issues so that gives me faith! have e-mailed Red wolf to see if they would concider putting an upgrade kit together for the R85, new piston etc, will let you know how i get on! Edited August 30, 2007 by Rogue Trooper Quote Link to post Share on other sites
rolling-thunder Posted August 30, 2007 Report Share Posted August 30, 2007 The problem for AI is that they need to plan what goes into each issue,they can't just throw in a gun 2 days before the issue goes to print so i imagine they would have had the R85 up to 2 months before it appeared in the latest issue.It stands to reason it must have been part of the dud rushed batch but that is still around the time i got my gun. Still it will be interesting to find out what they think of the latest batches of R85s. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
rambo11 Posted August 30, 2007 Report Share Posted August 30, 2007 White rabbit sorry chap but if star are good. how come my local airsoft shop's engineers (who are regarded wery highly by all and are offical an classic army service centre) REFUSE to work on Star weapons stating bad design and poor quality! Belive me its a shame as i badly want a star LSW but wont buy a very expensive gun like that without technical backup! Whereas a gun for £110 im prepared to work on myself and not be too bothered Star guns are easy to work on 1st the gearbox is clear so you can see what you are doing even when the gear box is pushed togever and the spring you can put in when all the work is done on it.Iv had my star for 2 years and it runs fine iv got a lsw and same works fine.The gun is all steel and if you look after it will last you a lifetime.Oh and te gearbox is made of pollycarb and unlike pot metal will not crack when fireing in cold wether.Air soft shops will always say a gun is no good when thay dont stock it Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Rogue Trooper Posted August 30, 2007 Report Share Posted August 30, 2007 Oh god dont tease me like that, i badly want an LSW!!! As for the shop/repair issue, i have never owned a star and so can only go by informed advice from proffesionals, could be something to do with them not stocking many star guns but they did have a star SA80 on their wall last time i visited. will ask them many more questions next time i am there. So far they have been bang on the money when it comes to advice and as i said they are well respected in our community! Its a puzzle i admit! More research needed i feel! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
rolling-thunder Posted August 30, 2007 Report Share Posted August 30, 2007 TBH i've heard more good things about the Star gun than the G&G but the Army Armaments R85 is as good or as bad as the best & worst features of both guns dependant on which version you get.You still can't get away from the fact that the AA gun is 1/3 as expensive as the nearest equivalent & even if you gutted it & put in new parts i suspect that it would still come out cheaper in the end.Now,if someone would come out with a cheap Red Dot SUSAT i'd be a happy & content man{until they brought out the A2 version or an LSW}. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Rogue Trooper Posted August 30, 2007 Report Share Posted August 30, 2007 Tell me about it!! i was tempted by the star LSW but to get one that has been upgraded somewhat like Firesupport do you will be paying abour £625, add a SUSAT to that and well... far too mush money for my liking. lets just hope Army copy the Star LSW, sell them to us nice and cheap and that will leave lots of money left to upgrade internals, buy SUSAT etc And a G&G or Army 1x zoom red dot SUSAT would be very welcome, guess we will have to keep our fingers crossed! Anyway its past midnight which means i only have 6 days to wait fo mine...Yipee! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
rolling-thunder Posted August 30, 2007 Report Share Posted August 30, 2007 The only airsoft news i think i had as a privilage is now out of date{the M249 was released earlier than i was told}but i was still told to expect the A2 version from AA around Xmas time but with no news on either the LSW or SUSAT.Like everyone else i'll be keeping all available fingers crossed! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Rogue Trooper Posted August 30, 2007 Report Share Posted August 30, 2007 (edited) On the subject of SUSAT vs AGOG i found this quote on Millitary photos.net, apparently taken from a Janes article http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?t=80236 UK assault rifle to receive lighter, improved sight Andrew White Jane's Land Forces Reporter London The UK armed forces' L85A2 (SA80A2) assault rifle is to undergo another transformation as the UK Ministry of Defence (MoD) starts negotiations to replace the L9A1 weapon sight. The UK MoD's Future Infantry Soldier Technology (FIST) programme office wants an "improved and lighter" system to replace the United Scientific Instruments L9A1 Sight Unit Small Arms Trilux (SUSAT), currently in use with the SA80A2. Industry sources said the UK MoD favours the Advanced Combat Optical Gunsight (ACOG) TA31RCO 4 x 32 sight, produced by US aiming systems specialist Trijicon. The deal could have a potential value of up to GBP200 million (USD357.8 million). In 2000, the SUSAT was exempt from arms specialist Heckler & Koch's (H&K's) GBP92 million revamp of the SA80. The UK MoD contracted H&K to modify some 200,000 SA80 assault rifles and L86 Light Support weapons, with improvements including a new hammer, cocking handle, gas plug and firing pin. Monthly deliveries to the UK MoD of 4,000 SA80A2s started in December 2001 and the contract is due for completion 2006. Trijicon's Military Division manager, Shaun Rategan, said: "We cannot comment on quantities or type. The FIST programme has tested and evaluated our ACOG and conveyed an interest in future business." ACOG is currently favoured by the US Special Operations Command, including Green Berets, US Navy sea, air and land (SEAL) commandos and US Army Rangers as well as the UK's special forces. Designed for use with the M16 series of assault rifles, it is seen as a very robust sight despite being 137 g lighter than the 417 g SUSAT. Other features include dual illustrated reticle, enhanced adjuster caps and chevron reticle and crosshair. A deal could also include the purchase of simple scissor-action mounts. Since H&K's improvement programme, the SA80A2 has had "isolated difficulties", according to a UK National Audit Office report in December 2003, although post-operational reports indicated a general acceptance that the SA80A2 is effective and reliable. In 2005, Trijicon won a USD660 million contract to provide Rifle Combat Optics (RCO), a modified version of the ACOG, for the US Marine Corps' M16 assault rifles. The deal initially comprised 104,000 scopes, worth USD610 each, with an additional option for the US government to buy a maximum of 800,000 RCO scopes over the five-year contract period. Edited August 31, 2007 by Rogue Trooper Quote Link to post Share on other sites
rambo11 Posted August 30, 2007 Report Share Posted August 30, 2007 The best part of the army sa80 is the sling replace every thing else and you should have a good gun Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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