AirsoftAddict Posted August 7, 2008 Report Share Posted August 7, 2008 Tanaka SAA single action on HFC134a, not sure if I can use normal green gas. the Revolver feels like its metal butI am not sure Link to post Share on other sites
jimseery Posted August 12, 2008 Report Share Posted August 12, 2008 It might help if someone defined the different kinds of gas. I'm pretty much alone and get my gas by mail order. For example I'm familiar with green gas and 134a, but what is yellow, red, R22 and abbey gas. These designations might make sense locally but not universally. Link to post Share on other sites
tommythegun85 Posted September 25, 2008 Report Share Posted September 25, 2008 just buy that propane stuff from b and q , plus an adampter and had done with it, yea it stinks, but its so much cheaper!! Link to post Share on other sites
Walton_County_Firefighter Posted December 31, 2008 Report Share Posted December 31, 2008 Would the mad bull co2 regulator work for a gbb that runs on green? Link to post Share on other sites
mikogel Posted January 11, 2009 Report Share Posted January 11, 2009 ********PLEASE READ******** just buy that propane stuff from b and q , plus an adampter and had done with it, yea it stinks, but its so much cheaper!! bytommythegun85 yeh heres one of those adapters its a hell of alot cheaper than green gas. http://www.airsoft-innovations.com/GunGas.html Link to post Share on other sites
Panoptes Posted January 11, 2009 Report Share Posted January 11, 2009 I've been running my TM P226 on HFC134a - am I gonna kill it? Link to post Share on other sites
harborne blue Posted January 12, 2009 Report Share Posted January 12, 2009 I've been running my TM P226 on HFC134a - am I gonna kill it? No - 134a is the weakest of the three commonly available gases (excluding C02). Green gas gives the most power but can damage TM pistols as you usually need a full metal gun with better seals to be able to use this. I've run a TM 1911 on Red (mid power) gas with no problems in the gun but it doesn't seem to like one of the cheaper ACM mags. 134a is the gas I was given with the gun and I've never had anym issues using it except the FPS was 230-240 with this and 250+ with Red Don't confuse Green with 134a though - they both come in green cans! Link to post Share on other sites
mikogel Posted January 30, 2009 Report Share Posted January 30, 2009 Don't confuse Green with 134a though - they both come in green cans! Why do they do that its really confusing as I accidentaly shot a tm 1911 plastic and I accidentaly put green gas instead of 134a and the slide came back so hard it borke they should make it another colour for saftey's sake. Just my thought. Link to post Share on other sites
Lughnasadhuk Posted March 4, 2009 Report Share Posted March 4, 2009 I have been using a stock TM P226 fr about 2-3 years now as my only side arm and feeding Abbey Ultra gas. Now even though Abbey Ultra is not quite as strong as green it is close and stronger than 134A. I have never had any problems with it except a non-gas related BB feed issue with one of the mags. Link to post Share on other sites
dave w Posted April 7, 2009 Report Share Posted April 7, 2009 Hi Marlowe if i sent you some free kickass gas which is propane same as green gas made in the uk would you test it for me on performance basis. Link to post Share on other sites
blokhed Posted April 15, 2009 Report Share Posted April 15, 2009 NBB: Marushin - Derringer (8mm) - H134a ONLY Revolver: Tanaka - SAA (Casyopea) - H134a/Green Lever-action Rifle: Marushin - M1892 Maxi - H134a ONLY Shotgun: Marushin - M1887 Guards Gun - H134a/Green Link to post Share on other sites
WillBrayJr Posted April 15, 2009 Report Share Posted April 15, 2009 KWC Mini Uzi-C02 Link to post Share on other sites
jond36 Posted April 30, 2009 Report Share Posted April 30, 2009 What about a GHK? Can it use 134a aside from Green? Link to post Share on other sites
Fluffy Bunny Posted June 18, 2009 Report Share Posted June 18, 2009 Tanaka - Browning Hi-Power - HFC134a WE - Luger P08 (all variants) - Green HFC - Glock 17/Sigma/Dark Hawk - Green Link to post Share on other sites
Axon Posted June 23, 2009 Report Share Posted June 23, 2009 ARES DSR-1 Green/Red/134a Link to post Share on other sites
The General Posted July 8, 2009 Report Share Posted July 8, 2009 No - 134a is the weakest of the three commonly available gases (excluding C02). Green gas gives the most power but can damage TM pistols as you usually need a full metal gun with better seals to be able to use this. I've run a TM 1911 on Red (mid power) gas with no problems in the gun but it doesn't seem to like one of the cheaper ACM mags. 134a is the gas I was given with the gun and I've never had anym issues using it except the FPS was 230-240 with this and 250+ with Red Don't confuse Green with 134a though - they both come in green cans! Wait a min... I thought Red gas was the super powerful one? 134a/duster then Ultra, then Green/Propane. Then Red? Link to post Share on other sites
Rob15 Posted July 12, 2009 Report Share Posted July 12, 2009 Wait a min... I thought Red gas was the super powerful one? 134a/duster then Ultra, then Green/Propane. Then Red? Pretty much. As he is in the UK he has probably done the classic thing that i so regually see people do and assume that Abbey Predator Ultra is red gas because it comes in a red can, it is not. In order of power from lowest to highest it goes... HFC 134a (Sometimes known as green gas) Abbey Predator Ultra (Not red gas) ASG Ultrair (Green can, 90% propane and 10% butane mix, slightly lower power than Green gas iirc, maybe a bit higher than Predator Ultra? No silicone oil in this gas either) Green Gas (CH2 FCF3 CH4 seems to be the standard mix, or propane with some other gases and silicone oil mixed in to you and me) Propane (Generally higher power than Green Gas as a result of lower impurities) Red Gas (HCFC R22, has a pressure of around 150psi compared to 120psi for propane) Black Gas (Assumed to be Co2 due to the colour of canisters being black, around 800psi) There is also Yellow Gas which from what i gather is more powerfull than Green Gas, i suspect that may be the same as Red Gas or just straight propane with some silicone oil, doesn't seem to be available outside a few EU countries. Guarder also do a 'higher power' gas in black cans, don't confuse it with Co2 as it seems that is just straight propane as well with silicone oil if the reports about additional power over standard Green Gas are correct. Link to post Share on other sites
KinkyJedi Posted August 17, 2009 Report Share Posted August 17, 2009 Well L96 AWP - Red/Green/134a/pretty much anything I had it running on freaking lighter gas until it broke my valve lol ....for reference btw it shoots 500fps on green and thats down to 320fps on standard swan butane ...that confused the marshall at combat south... Link to post Share on other sites
CrazyApe Posted September 8, 2009 Report Share Posted September 8, 2009 Maruzen interdynamic KG9 - RED Link to post Share on other sites
Marlowe Posted September 8, 2009 Author Report Share Posted September 8, 2009 Just tried my GHK on H134A - didn't seem to cycle. Link to post Share on other sites
Wildwilly Posted October 3, 2009 Report Share Posted October 3, 2009 Star AW 338 run mine on green, no problems if regularly lubed. Link to post Share on other sites
BIn Posted October 27, 2009 Report Share Posted October 27, 2009 can freon instead of Red gas? does it need silicon lube like green gas? Link to post Share on other sites
Samm Posted November 3, 2009 Report Share Posted November 3, 2009 Freon is HCFC22, if you are using an non airsofting labelled can then I would add some silicone to be cautious. Green Gas (CH2 FCF3 CH4 seems to be the standard mix, or propane with some other gases and silicone oil mixed in to you and me) Got to point out there that the formula for propane is C3H8, "CH2 FCF3" is HFC134a (1,1,1,2-tetrafluoroethane) and "CH2 FCF3 CH4" is a bogus label on some green gas trying to pass off as something other than propane. Check the highlights; Link to post Share on other sites
Wingmann Posted May 10, 2010 Report Share Posted May 10, 2010 I'll assume that the safe approach for a TM Tactical Master (as I didn't see any TM M9 model in the list) is HFC134a. Link to post Share on other sites
Mike_West Posted May 10, 2010 Report Share Posted May 10, 2010 GBB: KJW USP w/ metal slide: runs fine on green, although I have doubts how will metal slide behave on 134a. Bell M1911: runs fine on green, both plastic and metal slide. Should work on 134a. Bell M9: Use green. HFC M190: as said earlier, use green. Marushin shell-ejecting Glock 19: 134a only. Green gas has too high pressure and starts leaking immediately. KWC Mini Uzi: CO2 by default. Can be fitted with a magazine conversion that allows use of green gas and cycles on it without problems. Revolvers: Tanaka SAA, latest version: 134a/green. Link to post Share on other sites
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