tommyknocker2121 Posted July 30, 2007 Report Share Posted July 30, 2007 I know that the Airman Battle Uniform has been deployed with AEF 7 and 8 for a couple of weeks at least now. I'm having trouble finding any new pictures of the new Air Force Uniform in the field though. If anyone has any, it'd be great if you could post some pictures. The newest picture I could find was this: Link to post Share on other sites
CerberusCO Posted July 31, 2007 Report Share Posted July 31, 2007 Please don't get me started on our new uniforms - they make me want to hurl. The boots look like baby poop - I will be wearing desert boots until threatened with an Article 15. The uniforms themselves feel like they've been soaked in starch for 12 hours. Lightweight and desert friendly they are not. I spoke with some of the manufacturers (Propper and Alpha Industries) at the Security Forces conference a couple months ago and even THEY thought the Air Force made a bad decision with these. But no, I don't have any pics of them in field use. Link to post Share on other sites
comrade5 Posted July 31, 2007 Report Share Posted July 31, 2007 why is the military even switching uniforms!? i mean since the Marine Corps switched to MARPAT everyone is wanting new uniforms and most of them suck MARPAT=good ACU=good desert/urban-bad everywhere else ABU=bad/pointless Navy uniforms=worse of them all, you don't need camo on a ship DCU's were fine for desert Me thinks the military is wasting a whole bunch of money on camo that we don't need Link to post Share on other sites
Bengali Posted July 31, 2007 Report Share Posted July 31, 2007 i assumed that the armed forces were issued a big bunch of funding to pick up the XM8 when it was ready, but since the project flopped they were left with a stash of cash and nothing better to do with it. Link to post Share on other sites
comrade5 Posted July 31, 2007 Report Share Posted July 31, 2007 i can think of a bunch of reasons to spend money on rather than new camo patterns that aren't needed at the moment Link to post Share on other sites
Kraut Posted July 31, 2007 Report Share Posted July 31, 2007 why is the military even switching uniforms!? i mean since the Marine Corps switched to MARPAT everyone is wanting new uniforms and most of them suck MARPAT=good ACU=good desert/urban-bad everywhere else ABU=bad/pointless Navy uniforms=worse of them all, you don't need camo on a ship DCU's were fine for desert Me thinks the military is wasting a whole bunch of money on camo that we don't need <{POST_SNAPBACK}> The USAF higher-ups want us to look 'unique', as we're all wearing basically old Army Woodlands. When we take off our tops, so the US AIR FORCE tape is no longer visible, civies think we're army men, when we do tasks such as the Katrina clean up and so forth. They want recognition and a unique uniform is one way to accomplish that. That and an excuse for a bigger budget. Even though we're cutting 40,000 Airmen due to budget. Politics... Personally, I don't care. I wear a flight suit From what I've seen in Air Force Times news paper, some like it, some don't. Same thing with the ACUs. Link to post Share on other sites
comrade5 Posted July 31, 2007 Report Share Posted July 31, 2007 and what is the status of the multicam pattern? Link to post Share on other sites
CerberusCO Posted August 1, 2007 Report Share Posted August 1, 2007 I would keel over with pure happiness if the Air Force issued Multicam to its combat units. Unfortunately, it won't happen, as the brass thinks that the ABU is a "battle" uniform, not a "barracks" uniform (which is what it should be). Link to post Share on other sites
Wraith18A Posted August 1, 2007 Report Share Posted August 1, 2007 I believe that the term you're searching for was "trash-hauler" uniform. And if the USAF issues Multicam before the Army does, watch out. Granted, from rumblings that I've heard, the ACU might be on the way out in a few years anyways because of the problems that the Army's gotten from it. Link to post Share on other sites
comrade5 Posted August 1, 2007 Report Share Posted August 1, 2007 well, the ACU is a good camo for urban operations, mountain warfare and even sometimes the desert but the material used is cheap and the the dye fades i don't think the army should neccisarily ditch the pattern but develop a woodland version like the USMC which has 2 digital patterns however, multicam is good and should be adopted by the armed forces Link to post Share on other sites
Kraut Posted August 1, 2007 Report Share Posted August 1, 2007 As I'm sure we all know, special forces from all branches wear Multicam. From what I've heard (as reliable as that is), the Army is going Multicam in 10 or so years. Sounds too good to be true. As for the Air Force wearing Multicam. I think we should where it counts. For someone like me (Aircrew) Multicam really doesn't do much for us. Link to post Share on other sites
KWP Posted August 1, 2007 Report Share Posted August 1, 2007 As requested by the thread starter, here another ABU photo - MarPat and ACU also featured: Link to post Share on other sites
tommyknocker2121 Posted August 1, 2007 Author Report Share Posted August 1, 2007 ACU=good desert/urban-bad everywhere else ABU=bad/pointless From a distance over 20 yds or so they look pretty much identical from my personal experience at the uniform shop. Virtually indistinguishable. Also, they use the same color scheme, with the exception of the hardly noticeable blue so I don't see how ACU is any better than ABU, they are both ridiculous color schemes. The only reason that the ACU IS better, is from it's cut and ergonomics which I think is second to none. Link to post Share on other sites
comrade5 Posted August 1, 2007 Report Share Posted August 1, 2007 the ABU is pointless though because they just modified the ACU in color and scheme and the AF doesn't really need its own camo pattern because they don't really have front line infantry troops i do like that they are bringing back tiger stripe Link to post Share on other sites
CerberusCO Posted August 1, 2007 Report Share Posted August 1, 2007 the ABU is pointless though because they just modified the ACU in color and scheme and the AF doesn't really need its own camo pattern because they don't really have front line infantry troops i do like that they are bringing back tiger stripe <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Please tell that to the PJs, TAC-Ps, Combat Controllers, and Security Forces troops. Security Forces are taking heaps of ILO (In Lieu Of) missions over from the Army. Real door-kicker stuff. Please tell them that they aren't a combat unit. Link to post Share on other sites
comrade5 Posted August 1, 2007 Report Share Posted August 1, 2007 i know that the AF has combat troops but they don't have large amounts of them like the Army or Marine Corps what i mean is they don't have divisions of combat troops like the 3rd Infantry or other infantry divisions, they have smaller units and SF its like the navy where they have combat troops but not a lot Link to post Share on other sites
The Waco Kid Posted August 3, 2007 Report Share Posted August 3, 2007 ABU's available for pre-order on US Cav. Should anyone feel the urge... Link to post Share on other sites
Maple-Leaf Posted August 3, 2007 Report Share Posted August 3, 2007 ABU's available for pre-order on US Cav. Should anyone feel the urge... Pre-Ordering anything is bad enough.... anyone pre-ordering ABUs deserves a lobotomy. Link to post Share on other sites
Little para Posted August 3, 2007 Report Share Posted August 3, 2007 I think they look pretty cool to be honest and in sight of what anyone else says i would rather be wearing these and have them work when ejecting from a plane that get shot to pieces in mid air. Woodland BDU just is'nt good enough for pilots besides its a nice urban camouflage and would work well at night. Link to post Share on other sites
MagicalNinjaBuddy Posted August 3, 2007 Report Share Posted August 3, 2007 ABU's available for pre-order on US Cav. Should anyone feel the urge... <{POST_SNAPBACK}> The urge to stick out? Link to post Share on other sites
TheMerchantOfVenice Posted August 3, 2007 Report Share Posted August 3, 2007 Woodland BDU is IMO the current best Woodland pattern, as a pilot I'd prefer that if we'd operate over woodland. ACU and ABU are basically the same thing. Link to post Share on other sites
CerberusCO Posted August 3, 2007 Report Share Posted August 3, 2007 I think they look pretty cool to be honest and in sight of what anyone else says i would rather be wearing these and have them work when ejecting from a plane that get shot to pieces in mid air. Woodland BDU just is'nt good enough for pilots besides its a nice urban camouflage and would work well at night. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Pilots and flightcrew all wear flightsuits - which are solid sage green in color. They won't be wearing ABUs. Link to post Share on other sites
msx361 Posted August 4, 2007 Report Share Posted August 4, 2007 Last thing i heard on the ABU was that it was going to be barracks uni. not a combat uni. and that a combat uni. was being developed. And yes the US army will be fading out the ACU, they already are if what i hear (on good authority) is true. But i very much doubt it will be for multicam, because it will still be too expensive for them. ABU is a good pattern its just a ###### colour like ACU. When will you crazy yanks learn Link to post Share on other sites
Little para Posted August 4, 2007 Report Share Posted August 4, 2007 i dont know but from an unreliable source the navy RMC are going to be getting a digital DPM pattern, so maybe we are in the same postion, i still think MARPAT works pretty *fruitcage* well so kudos to them for MARPAT. But why have camouflage uniforms then, do they wear them under the flightsuits, i think they should have new flightsuits made in the same clour and pattern as the ABU, it will blend in with sky better, or possibly blue tiger stripe. Link to post Share on other sites
Kraut Posted August 4, 2007 Report Share Posted August 4, 2007 The urge to stick out? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> If I wanted to stick out, I'd wear ACU. I laugh whenever someone comes to a game in ACU. "He's moving left! Now he's moving right! Now hes standing still!" Pilots and flightcrew all wear flightsuits - which are solid sage green in color. They won't be wearing ABUs. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Don't forget aircrew who are deployed to the desert wear tan flightsuits. They're actually pretty comfy. The Air Force is trying to make a 'universal camo' like the Army did with the ACU (we all know how that turned out). As for flightsuits, it was rumored that we'd get tiger stripe flightsuits, but haven't heard a peep about that for a long while, just news on the ABU and new Blues. Flightsuits arn't ment to blend in the sky. Pilots and aircrew are usually inside of the plane. We are taught how to smear mud and camo paint on our flightsuits for SERE. Link to post Share on other sites
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