tome Posted October 9, 2007 Report Share Posted October 9, 2007 Thanks for the reply 8zero8 When you say that it puts the hop bucking further into the chamber so you mean that the chamber end of the barrel is located further towards the muzzle (ie for a given outer barrel the PAX hop would use a shorter inner than a tanaka hop) or the opposite? If so, by how much is it different? What is the length of the PAX nozzle as compared with the tanaka extended nozzles, such as the KA or Forse? Cheers Tome Tom Link to post Share on other sites
Rogue Posted October 9, 2007 Report Share Posted October 9, 2007 So, is there that big a difference between these kits and the BGS kits? (Not in design but in performance) Link to post Share on other sites
370rsoft Posted October 12, 2007 Report Share Posted October 12, 2007 So, is there that big a difference between these kits and the BGS kits? (Not in design but in performance) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> does anyone know if this will have any issues fitting the stock barrel on AICS? Link to post Share on other sites
The Bushman Posted October 12, 2007 Report Share Posted October 12, 2007 You should read the thread. It will fit a VSR barrel. Good Hunting Link to post Share on other sites
Jeza Posted October 12, 2007 Report Share Posted October 12, 2007 does anyone know if this will have any issues fitting the stock barrel on AICS? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> do you mean the outer barrel ? if so, im not sure if the AICS has the big lip my M24 fluted barrel had, you don't really need to use the barrel end that comes with it, you could have a Tanaka Length VSR barrel made and use the stock barrel end, i juts had mine modified because i spent $60 on a VSR barrel and didnt want to really spend another $90 or so for another VSR barrel Link to post Share on other sites
370rsoft Posted October 13, 2007 Report Share Posted October 13, 2007 do you mean the outer barrel ? if so, im not sure if the AICS has the big lip my M24 fluted barrel had, you don't really need to use the barrel end that comes with it, you could have a Tanaka Length VSR barrel made and use the stock barrel end, i juts had mine modified because i spent $60 on a VSR barrel and didnt want to really spend another $90 or so for another VSR barrel <{POST_SNAPBACK}> sorry, yes I mean the outerbarrel on the AICS. when using a VSR inner barrel, will it be long enough for the AICS endcap barrel stabilizer to work properly? Link to post Share on other sites
Jeza Posted October 13, 2007 Report Share Posted October 13, 2007 well i think the AICS barrel is longer then my Tanaka M24 barrel the VSR barrel was to short to use the stock end cap on mine, so im guessing it will be to short for the AICS aswell which is why the VSR chamber kit supplys it with a new end cap, which is alot longer then the stock one to accommodate for the shorter VSR barrel Link to post Share on other sites
8zero8 Posted October 14, 2007 Author Report Share Posted October 14, 2007 Thanks for the reply 8zero8 When you say that it puts the hop bucking further into the chamber so you mean that the chamber end of the barrel is located further towards the muzzle (ie for a given outer barrel the PAX hop would use a shorter inner than a tanaka hop) or the opposite? If so, by how much is it different? What is the length of the PAX nozzle as compared with the tanaka extended nozzles, such as the KA or Forse? Cheers Tome Tom <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I only have the stock nozzle to compare with the PAX one. The one supplied is 6mm (estimated) longer than stock. Link to post Share on other sites
370rsoft Posted October 14, 2007 Report Share Posted October 14, 2007 That endcap that comes with the Pax hop unit, didn't work onthe m24, so it probably wont fit the AICS barrel either correct? It must be the right size for m700 then? Link to post Share on other sites
Travis_2 Posted October 15, 2007 Report Share Posted October 15, 2007 So, is anyone going to post results? I hope it's not one of those "I had to use .20 KSC bbs because I didn't have SGM's." A lot of people have been waiting for the real word on this... I'm not trying to be a pain, but I have seen it too often. Good guns and parts getting a bad rep from bad testing. I would hope that the tests would be at 100ft with .29 SGM's indoors. I know that is probably impossible, but hey I can dream. Looks great, I have been thinking of getting a Tanaka, and this thread is one of things that will help me out... As long as I am dreaming, why don't we have a person with HPA, .29 SGM's, A pdi 6.01, and a hard firefly bucking do the tests? If only, If only. In fact, I think we should have standard tests, set range, set ammo, that kind of thing would make airsoft so much better. Link to post Share on other sites
tome Posted October 15, 2007 Report Share Posted October 15, 2007 I only have the stock nozzle to compare with the PAX one. The one supplied is 6mm (estimated) longer than stock. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Thanks for that So supposing you've got the newer style stock nozzle that ends past the front of the bolt, the PAX nozzle is designed to push the bb about "6mm" further towards the muzzle. The longer nozzles are supposed to push the bb far enough into the chamber that the bb is under the hop cutout right? So from this i'd guess i should ask for a barrel that's 6mm or more shorter than i would if i were to use a standard Tanaka hop. Does that sound right to you guys? Tome Link to post Share on other sites
Jeza Posted October 15, 2007 Report Share Posted October 15, 2007 i havn't recieved my modified outer barrel back yet, hopfully in a day or two so ill post some results then Green Gas 555mm FF 6.03 barrel with King Arms Bucking .25's and .43's up to 100 yards Link to post Share on other sites
8zero8 Posted October 16, 2007 Author Report Share Posted October 16, 2007 Thanks for that So supposing you've got the newer style stock nozzle that ends past the front of the bolt, the PAX nozzle is designed to push the bb about "6mm" further towards the muzzle. The longer nozzles are supposed to push the bb far enough into the chamber that the bb is under the hop cutout right? So from this i'd guess i should ask for a barrel that's 6mm or more shorter than i would if i were to use a standard Tanaka hop. Does that sound right to you guys? Tome yes Link to post Share on other sites
tome Posted October 25, 2007 Report Share Posted October 25, 2007 I just realised something important about getting custom barrel lengths. The VSR type barrels begin pretty much at the hop cutout, but Tanaka barrels begin some distance before this cutout. Anyone trying to estimate a length for a custom barrel will have to take this into account. So a way of estimating the length needed might be to measure, on the tanaka barrel, the distance from the start of the hop cutout to the muzzle. Other people have probably figured this out before me but i though i'd post up anyway just in case Jeza - did you get a chance to do any tests? Link to post Share on other sites
Jeza Posted October 25, 2007 Report Share Posted October 25, 2007 i havn't done any tests yet, when i got my modified barrel back so it would fit the longer barrel end and installed it, i had problems with power, turned out my magazine was leaking so i havnt been able to do it yet. the nozzle comes with a restrictor inside it which you can screw out (part of the nozzle is threaded and the restrictor part has a slot in it for a screw driver) so you can change the nozzle from post ban to pre ban its a shame ive had all these problems i really wanted to get some results up for everyone so they know if its any good or not Link to post Share on other sites
Mofomilitia Posted October 26, 2007 Report Share Posted October 26, 2007 The Tanaka M700 LTR barrel length is about 19" so if anyone is getting a barrel for that youll hve to cut it or tell dees customs to make it 19" Link to post Share on other sites
föhoni Posted October 28, 2007 Report Share Posted October 28, 2007 Hi can this hop up chamber fit Aeg barrels??? i think he fits Aeg barrels so can put an Aeg barrel an make them to right lenght?????? Link to post Share on other sites
tome Posted October 28, 2007 Report Share Posted October 28, 2007 Dees custom barrels uses a "universal" hop hole so that the barrels can be used in AEG or VSR type hop rubber. I don't know if normal AEG barrels can use VSR rubber though ? Link to post Share on other sites
8zero8 Posted November 4, 2007 Author Report Share Posted November 4, 2007 (same post I have in the Tanaka thread) Those with using the VSR hop units, don't bother with the firefly buckings. They don't provide enough hop and are not that consitant in terms of stability. Just stick with a stock VSR or laylax purple bucking. Results from today 77-80 degrees (whatever hawaii temp is) 547fps on Abbey Predator gas APS grand-master bbs I was able to make 80 meter shots to the corrugated piece of metal 3x3. Shots were straight, no float or lift. If I increased the hop, I would be able to reach 90-100 meters but shots will be less constant because of wind. Also, I spoke with Troy from PAX about using the hop units on the new L96 from Tanaka. He did NOT check himself but it should work since they did not change the chamber design. He recommends using a 590 AEG barrel for better fitment. Any others intersted in purchasing these hop units I still have a few available. Feel free to PM me with any questions. Link to post Share on other sites
pedrosalas7 Posted November 4, 2007 Report Share Posted November 4, 2007 what about the KM buckings? that's the one i got Link to post Share on other sites
scithe Posted November 4, 2007 Report Share Posted November 4, 2007 can anyone crono their gun with the pax unit installed? (with and without the restictor if possible) Link to post Share on other sites
8zero8 Posted November 5, 2007 Author Report Share Posted November 5, 2007 what about the KM buckings? that's the one i got Hi Pedro, Not exactly sure on the KM buckings, sorry. Link to post Share on other sites
8zero8 Posted November 9, 2007 Author Report Share Posted November 9, 2007 I will be away from the computer for the next 4 days. Any orders sent during that time will be processed on Tuesday (11.13.07). Thank you Link to post Share on other sites
tome Posted November 11, 2007 Report Share Posted November 11, 2007 I've installed a Pax hop and noticed something quite annoying. Because the new nozzle is so wide (to make a good seal between the hop packing) unless I angle the nozzle slightly to the right, it will hit the back of the magazine's left lip. Does anyone else have trouble with cycling the bolt? I had a shoot with it in game yesterday but it was far too windy so no useful results as at all Link to post Share on other sites
AQMS Posted November 11, 2007 Report Share Posted November 11, 2007 Tried the sample we had sent from Pax today. I put it into a bog standard Tanaka M40A1 PCS along with a Madbull cut down PSG-1 barrel and the standard VSR hop rubber. Using .36 straight BB's I was hitting a man sized target at 75m in the chest 9 times out of 10. Spend the pennies you will not regret it. Link to post Share on other sites
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