Shinden Posted October 12, 2007 Report Share Posted October 12, 2007 I am surprised no one has posted this news! Here it goes: PDI has announced (a while ago) of thier new M4A1 Training Simulation gun. These guns not only are powered by gas, but have white plastic ring like casings that ejects everytime you shoot. Chambered for 6mm BBs. I believe this is a rebrand of the RAP4 airsoft Co2 guns, but I cannot be sure at the moment. Videos and Pictures are on the following PDI website: http://www.x-fire.org/simulators.html As the website shows videos on Youtube, the guns can be submerged and shot, loud noise, plastic ring shells eject, blowbacks, and shoots. Of course the second video has the MP5 model as well. MP5 model is not on sale at the moment. Link to post Share on other sites
sirrith Posted October 12, 2007 Report Share Posted October 12, 2007 never knew RAP4 was airsoft. always thought it was paintball. seems to have a crazy ROF, dont really like that, but otherwise, i like Link to post Share on other sites
orca Posted October 12, 2007 Report Share Posted October 12, 2007 Yeah RAP4 has had airsoft versions (M4, Mp5) out for quite a while now. It looks similar to what's shown in the PDI vids, especially the shell ejecting part. http://rap4.com/paintball/os/rap4-airsoft-...-c-261_409.html This may be the APS/RAM (Real Action Marker) version though. The stock tube is hiding the gas canister in the vids. http://ecom.udomain.com.hk/product.php?cli...ductCatID=1777& Plus this announcement may make it clear: http://www.apsram.com/ Introducing our new distributor in Japan 2007/09/24 APS Paintball Limited hereby introduces that PDI Co., Ltd has become our new distributor in Japan. PDI Co., Ltd is the leading LE training equipment provider in Japan. For Real Action Marker in Japan, please contact PDI CO., Ltd. Link to post Share on other sites
Warning Posted October 13, 2007 Report Share Posted October 13, 2007 dude i'd hate to be standing next to some one shooting those things :/ Link to post Share on other sites
Bangla_Black Posted October 13, 2007 Report Share Posted October 13, 2007 Don't think these are going to be successful. Link to post Share on other sites
kevshin21 Posted October 13, 2007 Report Share Posted October 13, 2007 looks like simunition. Link to post Share on other sites
Sale Posted October 13, 2007 Report Share Posted October 13, 2007 Well, PDI has a long history in paintball as well as airsoft, and they are not limited to even those two. They do a lot of stuff. I'll pass this one anyways. -Sale Link to post Share on other sites
CrazyJ Posted October 13, 2007 Report Share Posted October 13, 2007 I've tried a rap4 M4a1 before and its fun to shoot but the owner told me the performance was disappointing Link to post Share on other sites
Ghola Posted October 13, 2007 Report Share Posted October 13, 2007 Seems like a novelty to a certain extent. I can see the appeal none the less. Link to post Share on other sites
Boar Posted October 13, 2007 Report Share Posted October 13, 2007 These seem great actually, the ammo is a little expensive, but I can easily imagine guns such as these with ejecting shells and moving bolts becoming the next evolution of airsoft.... Link to post Share on other sites
massoh2 Posted October 13, 2007 Report Share Posted October 13, 2007 I used to own a RAP4 (American version of RAM), and it fired once. Then never fired again, since there was a problem with ejection. Cost me about $700 for the package, and lost something like a 15% restocking fee. Then about half a year later RAP4 "accidentally" charged the credit card for another $200... was quite a hassle getting that taken care of. I would say stay away from RAP4, their stuff is overpriced anyway. But the actual gun is VERY realistic and fun to shoot (even though I was able to shoot it once ). But price could be a factor. Link to post Share on other sites
Crimson Posted October 13, 2007 Report Share Posted October 13, 2007 lolz these are useless, they break and jam often, i bought one PFC cap gun and hated the thing (was a pistol) not to mention i would need to buy a lot of those caps that are ejected.Though i would only use this for milsim and i hate milsim though if the gun stoped firing when it was out of ammo like the systema ones this may swing me in the direction of milsim, and if all the functions work like a real gun or like the systema one Link to post Share on other sites
snorkelman Posted October 13, 2007 Report Share Posted October 13, 2007 Ive never been keen on the paintball version (Im assuming the airsoft one is just a conversion from that with a bit less oomph) bolt travel was very poor (not much more than length of the stumpy little shell) recoil was nothing to write home about and accuraccy? well less said the better. Link to post Share on other sites
Stealthbomber Posted October 13, 2007 Report Share Posted October 13, 2007 I used to own a RAP4 (American version of RAM), and it fired once. Then never fired again, since there was a problem with ejection.<{POST_SNAPBACK}> What he said. *thinks back to the glory-days of Area 51 and deedee etc... * Link to post Share on other sites
M14 Posted October 14, 2007 Report Share Posted October 14, 2007 Personally I think the idea is just stupid. Who needs a little piece of plastic to eject on every shot? It serves no purpose, will cost more money (to keep buying them) and litters fields even more. Link to post Share on other sites
HannibalSmith77 Posted October 14, 2007 Report Share Posted October 14, 2007 If it's a rebranded RAP, then chalk another person who thinks it's the biggest waste evar!!! Totally overpriced and not worth the time. I owned one for too long and the only thing I had with it was a frickin' headache and a sour taste. Link to post Share on other sites
Boar Posted October 14, 2007 Report Share Posted October 14, 2007 lolz these are useless, they break and jam often, i bought one PFC cap gun and hated the thing (was a pistol) not to mention i would need to buy a lot of those caps that are ejected.Though i would only use this for milsim and i hate milsim though if the gun stoped firing when it was out of ammo like the systema ones this may swing me in the direction of milsim, and if all the functions work like a real gun or like the systema one <{POST_SNAPBACK}> What the hell do PFC cap guns have to do with this? Link to post Share on other sites
k30dxedle Posted October 14, 2007 Report Share Posted October 14, 2007 Looks interesting, but isn't practical. And lol at RAP4's ridiculous, shameless self-promotion. Link to post Share on other sites
felix4536 Posted October 15, 2007 Report Share Posted October 15, 2007 i almost bought one of this RAP4 things, thank god i didnt Link to post Share on other sites
HannibalSmith77 Posted October 15, 2007 Report Share Posted October 15, 2007 Looks interesting, but isn't practical. And lol at RAP4's ridiculous, shameless self-promotion. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> RAP is great at that. I used to frequent their forums a few years ago when they were going to "revolutionize" paintball. I, like some others, got suckered into it. It was amazing how much blind loyalty their hardcore guys had. If you had a problem, they were great to help. However they 100% did not believe that the marker was the problem. The single greatest answer I got was..."These things take time to setup properly." Well with the money I just spent on it, the damn thing better work every shot and on the first time. Period. Guess what? My Armotech did, but the RAP boys would talk *beep* about them. When they came out with the airsoft version, I looked back into it. I ran away the minute I read a review on their site. This guy was obtaining UNBELIEVABLE numbers. It wasn't even within the realm of possibility. He was claiming reach distances in extreme yards. That's when I knew it was another fanboy over blowing the RAP once more. The reviewer was supposed to do a follow up and I'm still waiting like 2 years after the fact. Wonder if it broke after those unreal numbers???? Link to post Share on other sites
ihatesissycars Posted October 16, 2007 Report Share Posted October 16, 2007 I've got a rap4 mets. Its superb! No jamming, very accurate and very powerful! Its very satisfying plowing thru a 20rd mag with shells going everywhere (you can get shell catchers which work well or bio degradeable plstic ones) and it barks very loudly!! I have a co2 powerlet adaptor which uses two 12gm powerlets which on full auto last about 3 mags so not ideal but you there is so many alternative power sources (co2 and hpa) that there's bound to be one that will suit you! Its very realistic in appearance and construction and weighs a decent amount too adding to the experiance. The only problem, and its a huge one is that no one supports them with a milsim experiance that being low cap mag paintball plus its too powerful for many sites. Link to post Share on other sites
azn_tomato Posted October 16, 2007 Report Share Posted October 16, 2007 Rap4 Airsoft gun's bother me in that they seem to have a more skin-penetrable shape to them. They arent little bb's, they're more narrow and smaller at the ends, and since they also have fins and rotate, seems like it could drill right into someone. Link to post Share on other sites
ihatesissycars Posted October 17, 2007 Report Share Posted October 17, 2007 Yup I'd go along with that but going by the reports of some you'd be lucky to hit anything with them so if I go for the airsoft conversion kit I'd stick with standard bb's I think! Link to post Share on other sites
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