urbandork Posted November 9, 2007 Report Share Posted November 9, 2007 id like to drop on in my p90tr... that would be nice Link to post Share on other sites
Magsz Posted November 9, 2007 Report Share Posted November 9, 2007 the AZR products dont interest me since they use on board gas canisters. If im going to be using co2 id much rather be using an external rig. Yeah i know, i cant believe i just said that. For the m4, the AZR system looks VERY similar to the rap4 design where the canister replaces the buffertube. Knowing me, id crack the canister right off of the gun so yeah, i think im going to stay away from that design. The only thing that interests me is that it appears as though they may be producing a gas powered PGC styled m249 box. If so, if it is externally powered ill be all over that thing like white on rice. If its blowback i would consider sacrificing one of my cats for it. Link to post Share on other sites
wolfstein5 Posted November 9, 2007 Report Share Posted November 9, 2007 Ok, I'll stop being a *beep*. Link to post Share on other sites
Magsz Posted November 9, 2007 Report Share Posted November 9, 2007 Jeeze, would you guys give it a rest. Airsoft is a freaking hobby... Link to post Share on other sites
Fin Posted November 9, 2007 Report Share Posted November 9, 2007 HAPPY DAYS!!!!...........if they make a V3, which they should of done in the first place Link to post Share on other sites
Norotor Posted November 9, 2007 Report Share Posted November 9, 2007 So yeah, this is going to be; Under $200, unmodified structure of the gearbox, available for ALL versions, and compatible with TM hop systems, according to sniperx. Link to post Share on other sites
Revenge Seeker Posted November 9, 2007 Report Share Posted November 9, 2007 So yeah, this is going to be; Under $200, unmodified structure of the gearbox, available for ALL versions, and compatible with TM hop systems, according to sniperx. Hey thanks!! Gotta get me a cheap AK and buy this! Might, probably will, come out cheaper than the $435 WA M4! Link to post Share on other sites
snorkelman Posted November 9, 2007 Report Share Posted November 9, 2007 potential downsides shorter blowback stroke than previous designs, use of an aeg mechbox reducing your options as far as a moving bolt goes and need to squeeze it into an AEG mechbox shell at all (eg why not just go with a skeletonised steel frame with front and rear support of the action and box section underneath for the trigger group) in general terms though I do beleive its the right way for gas internals to go - avoids redesigning the wheel each time they want to adapt to a different rifle layout no need to carry any sort of inventory as far as externals go and gives folks a dual purpose weapon they can swap between gas and electric. In the UK with restrictions on RIFs now in place could give a whole lot of pre October guns a new lease of life dboys steel AK and a gas mechbox conversion = 280 dollar win Link to post Share on other sites
Trasher Posted November 9, 2007 Report Share Posted November 9, 2007 I'm skeptic about these GBB "wonder gearboxes" (not just Escort, in general) since the MGC (Monster hybrid) and Madbull products failed: Light recoil route --- pretty much pointless (even a stock Marui MP5K has nice light recoil), unless the product is MUCH more consistent, reliable and serviceable than AEG gearboxes. CO2 capsules are pain in the nether regions, internal gas supply won't cut it for an automatic rifle. Heavy (Escort level) recoil route --- pot metal gearboxes will break sooner than later, heavy duty, reinforced gearboxes will cost $$$, may have fitting problems. AEG hopups may not react well to heavy recoil and vibration (feeding and consistency problems). Requires external rig and the regular AEG user will whine about that to no end. Externally powered, adjustable, "no recoil" gas conversions would be easier to implement on current AEG designs. Link to post Share on other sites
snorkelman Posted November 9, 2007 Report Share Posted November 9, 2007 I dont see them being unfeasable using a steel skeletonised mechbox - ie take the MP5 trigger group box design of the escort MP5 extend it at the rear to incorporate the MP5 airswitch and recoil rod retainer and extend it at the front to provide a mount for front of the piston chamber, and you then have a pretty strong frame for the parts to be mounted in. Overall stroke in that sort of setup would be my main concern - by time you incorporate space for rearward travel of the airshaft for disengagement, and space for a valve behind the recoiling cylinder (plus a front face for the cylinder of X thickness) you dont have a lot of space for travel. Particularly in a V2 design if you're tight for space for a recoil spring and arent going with buffer tube storage of the spring Link to post Share on other sites
Korppi Posted November 9, 2007 Report Share Posted November 9, 2007 This is the thing to long for. Best news for a while. Superior to any other mechbox replacement atleast on the paper. Link to post Share on other sites
eel one [COE] Posted November 9, 2007 Report Share Posted November 9, 2007 Yeah but HFC134a makes us cry. The performance is deplorable. Here's hoping WA optimized the system and its actually good for you japanese fellas. Btw, to the original poster, how did you stumble across this? I didnt see anything on classicairsoft.net which is a real surprise. The news was releast on airsoft-news.eu Link to post Share on other sites
statikzero Posted November 9, 2007 Report Share Posted November 9, 2007 Did anyone notice that in the OP's video that IS NOT a V2 gearbox. ***anxiously stands in line and waits to buy ten*** EDIT: sniperx posted this in the youtube comments of this video, "That is a Type 89 mechbox, IE V3. It can be used in ANY mechbox" Link to post Share on other sites
IronWolf Posted November 9, 2007 Report Share Posted November 9, 2007 Looks great, though I'm a little worried about where a reciprocating bolt fits in to all of this... Link to post Share on other sites
Catman Posted November 9, 2007 Report Share Posted November 9, 2007 It looks good. Gearbox strength issues aside this'll be a great product for people wanting to dabble in the black art of 'classic' airsoft without spending a fortune on a skirmishable gun. It won't be a rewarding to shoot as a proper SP M16 or Escort MP5 but it'll be a good middle of the road solution. I however take the intended price tag $200 with a large pinch of salt. $200 is what Escort are wanting to charge for a Sun Project m16 bolt catch Link to post Share on other sites
Wraith18A Posted November 9, 2007 Report Share Posted November 9, 2007 "That is a Type 89 mechbox, IE V3. It can be used in ANY mechbox" The Type 89 uses the Ver8 gearbox, the one with mechanical 3-rd burst. Link to post Share on other sites
snorkelman Posted November 9, 2007 Report Share Posted November 9, 2007 I actually find the fireselect mechanism for these as more intriguing than the blowback part considering the number of variations required there Link to post Share on other sites
Azulsky Posted November 9, 2007 Report Share Posted November 9, 2007 I actually find the fireselect mechanism for these as more intriguing than the blowback part considering the number of variations required there Ooh Good point, i wasnt even thinking about that. I just wonder now how these are going to stack up against full blown classic guns like a Classic Army MP5 w/this mech vs the Escort MP5 Hehe, im still glad i saved those metal g3 lowers from when i converted all mine to the G&G one peices, whew Link to post Share on other sites
my_plague_666 Posted November 9, 2007 Report Share Posted November 9, 2007 WOOO! V3 gearbox FTW. if it's CNC steel or aluminium and can hold an AK bolt while giving (preferably) full recoil and good kick i will WANT! imagine, this with the VFC style quick takedown *drools* Link to post Share on other sites
Fin Posted November 9, 2007 Report Share Posted November 9, 2007 EPIC WIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Screw up-upgrading my VFC gearbox im getting this bad boy! Also as there is no motor i can use a RS handgrip instead of the obese airsoft version! Link to post Share on other sites
Pinkfloyd Posted November 9, 2007 Report Share Posted November 9, 2007 I WANT ONE FOR MY G36 NOW! I need a complete overhaul of the internals and this is absolutly perfect! Link to post Share on other sites
QQexDERA Posted November 9, 2007 Report Share Posted November 9, 2007 If these things work as advertised, all my stuff is going to HPA. The reason? I wont have to charge up half a dozen different sets of batteries the night before a skirmish, I would *kill* to get one of these inside my PGC'd TOP MP40! Link to post Share on other sites
Magsz Posted November 9, 2007 Report Share Posted November 9, 2007 I was thinking about this a little more and perhaps i jumped the gun with my unchecked enthusiasm last night. Part of the fun of the escort guns is not only the felt recoil but the fact that you actually have a faux reciprocating bolt. These gearboxes dont seem to feature that. Why would escort not have designed the actual blowback unit to look like a fake bolt? On say an m16, the place where the cylinder window resides is in the ejection port area of the upper receiver. By making at least the right side of the blowback unit the same shape as an m16 bolt we could have at least a visually moving, realistic appearing bolt. Of course, doing that kind of work means the gearbox would only really have a reciprocating bolt on the m16 series. Also, as per sniperx's comment, whether its true or not, he is leading us to believe we can drop this gearbox into any version two or three platform. Like snorkelman pondered earlier, im really curious as to how the selector mechanism is going to work. At 200 dollars a piece that certainly is a good pricepoint but i can only imagine how many damned mechbox shells im going to end up going through. While it is heartening news indeed that this is a version 3 mechbox design, i have zero faith in pot metal for something like the escort system. Link to post Share on other sites
PlasticMag Posted November 9, 2007 Report Share Posted November 9, 2007 I'll admit my initial enthusiasm has dampened as well. While it appears to be very easy to hook a blowback AK bolt up to this, it would require partial disassembly and machining of the existing gearbox. I'm also less than convinced about the pot metal's durability as well. I am looking forward to all of the other options out there, I hope that we as consumers can pick and choose which to buy. Link to post Share on other sites
Fin Posted November 9, 2007 Report Share Posted November 9, 2007 Maybe use a Guarder reinforced gearbox and one of VFCs dummy bolts (when they release them<_< )? Hopefully that will bring fps down too (assuming it will be high as its co2) Link to post Share on other sites
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