toys for the bigger boys Posted December 12, 2007 Report Share Posted December 12, 2007 And when i'm gaming on the kraut side..... Which in contrast is a total pig to use.... i take it you wear this during airsoft skimmish, so why the knife, i wouldnt have thought you would be allowed it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
evansy Posted December 12, 2007 Report Share Posted December 12, 2007 I need to get a shoulder harness for it and I'm still not 100% sure on the pouch placement but for now it'll do. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
darkchild130 Posted December 12, 2007 Report Share Posted December 12, 2007 (edited) In the british army its a bit different. Your webbing caries the kit you need to FIGHT & survive for approx 24 hours and important stuff. namely ammo, smaller items off a rat pack, fist aid kit, cleaning kit for your rifle, bayonet, water and quite often and entrenching tool (anyone who has been shelled will tell you they *never* left theirs behind afterwards) Thats 'fighting order'. Add to that your respirator haversack which is not on your webbing (well it shouldn't be anyway) but is alway within arms reach or over your shoulder. Next bit is assault order which is as above but wiht a single daysack with your NBC suit in it. Then you can add a second daysack wiht shelter kit, more rations, cooking kit and water proofs. Everything else goes in your bergan and you only really get at it when harbouring up. Yeah, pre Afghan invasion. Now, no. Modern British loadout: On your person you will have torch, knife, emergency medkit, map and whatever else you want. Webbing carries ammo and water. Daysack carries emergency rations, personal medkit, rifle cleaning kit, warm/wetkit, spare ammo and section kit eg entrenching tool, assault kit, claymores etc. Bergan carries everything else. Darkchild Edited December 12, 2007 by darkchild130 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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kaptenn Posted December 12, 2007 Report Share Posted December 12, 2007 On the floor Being worn Little touches added or soon to be added -Single point 550 cord sling attached to suspenders -Updated LC-2 suspenders -d-link 550'd to belt to clip on empty mags -maybe squeezing in a butt pack or utility pouch That looks really cool. I see you haven´t cleaned the m16, good Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Nicoli Posted December 12, 2007 Report Share Posted December 12, 2007 i take it you wear this during airsoft skimmish, so why the knife, i wouldnt have thought you would be allowed it. because Gadge goes for as realistic an impression as possible. And I believe he also does some sort of re-enactment as well? or at least I seem to remember something about wearing the Brit kit outside of skirmishes at rememberance parades/days.... The knife is hardy going to be drawn is it, it's there for the look. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Gigueand Posted December 12, 2007 Report Share Posted December 12, 2007 I for one think this thread is awesome! I've moved from being a total vestite (?) to fielding belt kit. Recently got all the bits for my Battlelab MOLLE belt. I only wish this thread had been around earlier. I can't wait to see what else others are doing. Belt kit is a great break from CIRAS, MBSS, etc style loadouts. Good work! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BaggyPants Posted December 13, 2007 Report Share Posted December 13, 2007 (edited) The k98 bayonet is carried as a fighting knife, again i've period pics of this carried with mp40 pouches. You can get away without the bayonet, Gadge. There are more photos of MP40, MP44 etc. armed personnel without the bayonet than with. I challenged the Pst! forum mob to post ten photos of personnel with machine pistols wearing the bayonet with their kit, and I believe they managed three. That's not a lot, bearing in mind that, between them, they probably own every book about german kit under the sun. As a hand to hand fighting implement, it's rubbish anyway. German regulations forbade the sharpening of the blade (as sharp bayonets invariably stick in bone and are a *badgeress* to pull out), so it's no good as a hand-held weapon, and it serves absolutely no purpose unless you have a rifle behind it. You can't even use it to open tins, it's that cack The shovel is a far better close combat weapon Edited December 13, 2007 by BaggyPants Quote Link to post Share on other sites
poorieuser Posted December 13, 2007 Report Share Posted December 13, 2007 You can't even use it to open tins, it's that cack The shovel is a far better close combat weapon But you can use it to open beer bottles as the vets showed my reenctment unit. They said it was basically the only use. For close fighting they carried boot knives. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Gadge Posted December 13, 2007 Report Share Posted December 13, 2007 (edited) To answer a few questions. Its a no4 airsoft lee enfield from shoot and scoot. I've got a webley but its a de-ac i airsoft with a S&W m10 as it was a popular private purchase for officers. Yup i re-enact too. I'm very well known and trusted at my local sites (i even run games for them sometimes) so carrying knives has never been an issue. To be honest I'm probably more dangerous with my hands than with a knife if i wanted to hurt somebody . Most loaoduts that i have are pretty correct and normally if a bayonet is on the webbing its been superglued into its sheath.... I'm not doing that to a mint 1942 K98 bayonet with matching serial numbers that still has the original gun grease on the blade! . As for the K98 on my kit, saw it in a pic , liked the look, happened to have one seems a shame for it to sit on the shelf when its not *unrealistic* for it to be there. As for k98 bayonets being cack for fighting with, i'd disagree. I've not had a go with but its a well balanced bit of steel with a mahoosive blade, given the choice between that or the spike bayonet for the no4 i know what i'd rather have in my hands (given that your average 1940s infanteer would *not* have the martial arts skills i've acquired over time except in UK commando type units). I agree spades are better and nobody puts you on a charge for sharpening your own spade..... NB were currently looking into having foam LARP entrenching tools made.... As for the jerkin its a 1941 British army cold weather jerkin (the original ones were issued during WW1), its a tad short on me but originals in that condition are incredibly hard to get without paying silly money now. Footnote: the spike bayonet i'm wearing for use with the no4 *purposely* wont fit on an airsoft no4 its a deliberatley oversize muzzle. Edited December 13, 2007 by Gadge Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BaggyPants Posted December 13, 2007 Report Share Posted December 13, 2007 (edited) Don't get me wrong, Gadge, I'm by no means saying "don't wear the bayonet". It was done, but no one is going to call you out if you don't. And you'll never change my mind about the cackness of the K98 bayonet as a hand weapon. You'd cause more damage hitting someone over the head with the hilt than trying to stab them with it. No edge to it and the blade is too thick to penetrate with a stabbing motion. It needs the weight of the rifle behind it to work. German veterans will tell you the same Edited December 13, 2007 by BaggyPants Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Gadge Posted December 13, 2007 Report Share Posted December 13, 2007 (edited) I believe you and what veterans say but I've just taken mine out to give it a bit of a whirl around and a thrust or two. Its definatly going to put you down if that stabs you in the guts, no question.... I 'd seriously question the sanity of anyone who'd stake their life on the claim it wont penetrate with a stabbing motion, i'm not going to wreck a mint piece of militaria trying but i reckon i could punch through a fair surface with it - flesh and bone and combat uniform no problems. you cant slash with it but you can certainly thrust and stab viciously, its fairly handy actually compared to say an ak74 bayonet. Edited December 13, 2007 by Gadge Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BaggyPants Posted December 13, 2007 Report Share Posted December 13, 2007 I 'd seriously question the sanity of anyone who'd stake their life on the claim it wont penetrate with a stabbing motion, i'm not going to wreck a mint piece of militaria trying but i reckon i could punch through a fair surface with it - flesh and bone and combat uniform no problems. Once tried it on half a pigs carcass. Just wouldn't penetrate to any depth. Might as well have headbutted it, for all the damage it did Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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Gadge Posted December 13, 2007 Report Share Posted December 13, 2007 (edited) Once tried it on half a pigs carcass. Just wouldn't penetrate to any depth. Might as well have headbutted it, for all the damage it did Fair play, cant argue with a field test just seems incredibly unlikely on paper although i totally believe you. I've seen stranger things on mythbusters to doubt you (edited for spelling) Edited December 13, 2007 by Gadge Quote Link to post Share on other sites
5 to 1 Posted December 13, 2007 Report Share Posted December 13, 2007 That looks really cool. I see you haven´t cleaned the m16, good Thanks, but I have cleaned the M16 for the case that I might sell it. Im also getting a G&P M4/M203 combo along with the other things to really pull the look together. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
colwombat Posted December 13, 2007 Report Share Posted December 13, 2007 Maveric, that seems like an awkward place to carry your knife ( might poke ya leaning back or crouching) And do you go thru that many pistol mags? Seem s like a bit much to carry for a backup, unless you are a sniper i suppose. Either way looks good Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Titleist Posted December 13, 2007 Report Share Posted December 13, 2007 Not really, I've seen a lot of people like MFR carry 7-8 mags. When you're magazine tops out at 7 rnds I think you're looking for quantity. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Maveric Posted December 13, 2007 Report Share Posted December 13, 2007 ehhe i carry another 4 pistol mags on my FSBE. I wub my pistol (7+1) And no i dont have any issue with my knife sticking into me Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Titleist Posted December 21, 2007 Report Share Posted December 21, 2007 My current first line: Kit List: -Eagle Duty Belt (Khaki) -Eagle Belt Pad -Safariland 6004 (Desert Earth) -SOG Seal Pup and Kydex Sheath (painted coyote) -Eagle MLCS Canteen Pouch -Tactical Tailor PVS 14 case -TAG 200rnd SAW Pouch -2x Double Pistol Mag pouches. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
glockfire Posted December 21, 2007 Report Share Posted December 21, 2007 Titleist...awesome setup! Ive been debating on wether or not Im going to switch from a Wasatch to a belt and thigh rig. Cant decide, but this thread is makin me jealous. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
drthvader567 Posted December 21, 2007 Report Share Posted December 21, 2007 My first line: sry couldn't resist --Darth:Vader Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mremerica Posted December 21, 2007 Report Share Posted December 21, 2007 Eagle Duty belt Safariland 6004 for 1911 w/ SF 610r Eagle M60 Pouch - Coyote Brown Eagle Slung weapons Catch - Coyote Brown Eagle FSBE leg panel - Coyote Brown Eagle .45 Kydex x 4 - MJK Eagle Single M4 pouch x 2 - Coyote Brown Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Titleist Posted December 21, 2007 Report Share Posted December 21, 2007 Nice, looking pretty slick, mre. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
playmaker55 Posted January 10, 2008 Author Report Share Posted January 10, 2008 what do most people prefer web belts, duty belts, or molle belts. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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