The Thief Lord Posted January 6, 2008 Report Share Posted January 6, 2008 I'm currently using UHC Green Gas in my TSD/HFC M11A1. It has a magnesium bolt, so I can use green to my advantage. What my question is, though, is if switching to propane would be a good move. I know that I'll have to lubricate the gun more, but my dad refuses to let me buy propane for it because it's more flammable, and the Green Gas is basically propane + silicone but with an additive to prevent fire. Is this true, or is propane just as safe? Link to post Share on other sites
Anachronism327 Posted January 6, 2008 Report Share Posted January 6, 2008 that's false... silicone is used to provide a degree of lubrication in the gun. Green Gas does not have an additive that prevents it from being flammable. Green gas is just as dangerous as propane, maybe even more due to the way it's stored in a thinner skinned container than a propane can. Link to post Share on other sites
c_a_r_t_e_r_3_5 Posted January 6, 2008 Report Share Posted January 6, 2008 Go hit your father with some knowledge! Link to post Share on other sites
tiff_lee Posted January 6, 2008 Report Share Posted January 6, 2008 I may start using propane since I keep hearing how it is cheaper than Green, where is the best places to purchase it from in the UK? I assume in comes in various size containers? Link to post Share on other sites
monkey530 Posted January 6, 2008 Report Share Posted January 6, 2008 Something like for camp stoves or the plumbers size for soldering pipes or brazing pipes should do. Link to post Share on other sites
GuzziHero Posted January 7, 2008 Report Share Posted January 7, 2008 I get mine from B&Q when I have a gas gun (not often). Make sure you add silicon to the gas by dropping a few drops into the propane bottle valve every 3-5 mags Link to post Share on other sites
Libris Posted January 7, 2008 Report Share Posted January 7, 2008 I get mine from B&Q when I have a gas gun (not often). Make sure you add silicon to the gas by dropping a few drops into the propane bottle valve every 3-5 mags While propane is cheaper than green gas it's actually much safer, coming in a thick steel skinned can with a pressure release valve. I'm quite sure that if Trading Standards were aware of what was inside a green gas container in its current form the current canister design would be banned. Link to post Share on other sites
Slynx Posted January 8, 2008 Report Share Posted January 8, 2008 Doesn't propane smell thou.... I'm not sure but don't they add something to it in the UK so that you can detect a leak. Link to post Share on other sites
snowman Posted January 8, 2008 Report Share Posted January 8, 2008 Yep - smell's something rotten.... Make sure you get PURE propane, though. The Propane/Butane mix is weaker than 134a gas. Cheers. Link to post Share on other sites
Slynx Posted January 8, 2008 Report Share Posted January 8, 2008 Smells like rotten eggs, I don't think I would want to be standing close to you if you got a mag that decided to vent, its gonna smell a bit till the air disperses it Link to post Share on other sites
Nicholas Posted January 9, 2008 Report Share Posted January 9, 2008 Smells like rotten eggs, I don't think I would want to be standing close to you if you got a mag that decided to vent, its gonna smell a bit till the air disperses it It doesn't smell that bad. It's far from smelling like rotten eggs. Link to post Share on other sites
obsessedwithairsoft Posted January 9, 2008 Report Share Posted January 9, 2008 yeah, its not unbearable, but I do tend to burn incense after filling mags in my room. ( don't worry, I live in a safe and non veiwable area. out in the boonies, where I can legally fire real guns.) Link to post Share on other sites
ZAXAQUAR Posted January 9, 2008 Report Share Posted January 9, 2008 I never thought it smelt that bad. Just the smell of wasted material. haha It's not harmful is it? Link to post Share on other sites
Stealthbomber Posted January 9, 2008 Report Share Posted January 9, 2008 Something like for camp stoves or the plumbers size for soldering pipes or brazing pipes should do. Whoa! Hold on there. You're right that propane is often sold for use by plumbers when soldering but the cannisters that go in camp stoves are almost ALWAYS a propane/butane mix rather than pure propane. The butane helps the gas burn more cleanly. As Snowman said, any propane/butane mixed gas will be much weaker than propane. Even weaker than HFC134a. Link to post Share on other sites
Stuey Posted January 9, 2008 Report Share Posted January 9, 2008 Something like for camp stoves or the plumbers size for soldering pipes or brazing pipes should do. Yeah just to add to Stealth's comment, the stuff sold for plumbers and for soldering and brazing can sometimes be MAPP gas, which burns hotter than propane. I'm don't know why, but I read somewhere that you definitely don't want to use it in your guns. Stu Link to post Share on other sites
tiff_lee Posted January 9, 2008 Report Share Posted January 9, 2008 Oh right ok so where is he ideal place in the UK to buy propane from? Link to post Share on other sites
kevshin21 Posted January 10, 2008 Report Share Posted January 10, 2008 insane for propane? (You have to watch king of the hill to understand that) Link to post Share on other sites
Connery Posted January 10, 2008 Report Share Posted January 10, 2008 Just keep in mind that you will probably have to lubricate your gun more often using Propane, for some strange reason it tends to dry out your gun a lot faster, even if you mix silicone into it. And just because it's not pure propane does not mean it's not flammable. When we run out of butane, we use Green Gas to refill our lighters. The flame is much larger than it would be if it were butane, so that should shoot down any theory that Green Gas is not flammable. Link to post Share on other sites
Shinden Posted January 10, 2008 Report Share Posted January 10, 2008 lol, there are couple videos on Youtube as well with people lighting up green gas in shoes and other random things. Propane is cheap, it's everywhere and comes in a large tank at times. It is an alternative, however you'll risk ruining your gun more. Your magazines will leak much more sooner with the O-rings dried up and blown out. Inside your gun, you nozzle, cylinder, piston cup will be nice and dry and infact brittle to any shock absorbed by the gun while shooting. Given you also live in the States where Winter is present, you'll have to oil your gun before and after use. And of course over-oiling/lubing will hinder your gun's performance when shooting and all that excess oil will just become drag. Careful when thinking about propane in your gun. Link to post Share on other sites
Treadhead Posted January 10, 2008 Report Share Posted January 10, 2008 You can get it rather cheaply in B&Q in the UK. Smells like rotten eggs, I don't think I would want to be standing close to you if you got a mag that decided to vent, its gonna smell a bit till the air disperses it Personally I much rather having a smelly highly flammable gas in a container which isn't likely to leak or explode than having the same gas without a smell in a flimsy aerosol can.... Link to post Share on other sites
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