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Oh, and you must have a very understanding girlfriend. If she wants to stay home and raise kids while you work, in the traditional man-woman way, all power to her, she has the freedom to do so. I just hope youre not 'living in sin'...theres a devil right behind you with a fiery pitchfork ;)

 

Peace, luv n strawberriez.

 

Fine lets end this. You go your way, I'll go mine ("I don't care if we get there on time", +1's to anybody who can sight what song that's lyrics from). I'm tired of argueing, you're obviously not going to budge either.

 

 

Just for future reference, now you know where I'm comming from, and now I know where you're comming from.

 

Heh, we should have "Biography" threads... that way people could understand those of us on these forums who're... slightly less than orthodox in our views.

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Can someone please make a second Arnie's law where all Huckabee discussions lead to ones about God/traditional family values?

 

My opinion is that we have freedom of religion, and men and women are the same with different spelling and very different anatomy. Women should do whatever they want, and men should do whatever they want. Every one is born equal with certain unalienable rights. Next, America is supposed to be a country that endorses that, so we can't be going around telling ourselves that men and women aren't equal in all standards.

 

Next, America's super-competitive. You want to see more family time? Loosen up! Look at France. They have tons of vacation hours, and they're hardly as competitive a society as we are. We need to change that part of our culture for a more leisure-loving, less competitive, and have less oggling-of-the-ivy-leagues (named for their SPORTS teams, you go here because of sports kiddies) sort of society. Just to make this clear, Ivy Leagues are fine, but kids are fitting THEMSELVES to these colleges for no reason other than SPORTS TEAMS, but instead they should find a college that fits THEM.

 

Oh, and by the way, in before the lock.

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No reason for a lock methinx :) Myself and Pinkfloyd kept it totally civil. We are just different types of people and we both respect our differences :)

 

As for Ivy Leagues...can you tell me more? Ive heard of them before (plus Jello Biafra's rantings about schools pushing sports over real education) but the total opposite is true here in England.

 

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Pinkfloyd...I know the song those lyrics came from. You can keep the +1 cos I cheated and Googled for them HAHA :D

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The Ivy Leagues are a set of schools in the states which were the first to have sports teams. Now, what this translates into is they're great for sports, but get a false reputation for education. Every competitive, naive young American wants to get into these schools and these schools alone. They limit themselves to the understanding of what education should be. They think they should be cutthroat and go to a college that has a name, no matter if it has substance (ie. Harvard or Princeton). Now the problem is, they should be considering ALL colleges. Any community or liberal arts college can get you where you want if it's right for you. You can easily make more money if you have a more fulfilling experience at a smaller college than at a big name one. They spend all of their time studying for these colleges and have no idea or care if the colleges will be substantial or not. they just care to have it in name alone. That's one of the many competitive edges we have in America, and people are often HIGHLY cutthroat in order to obtain a standing and gain entrance to a school that may not be the best for them.

 

What this means is we should change the mentality from only looking to Ivy League schools but instead considering ALL of them. This still includes the Ivy Leagues but also has those colleges which are really just right for anyone but they aren't as famous as the others.

 

How does this affect other things? Well, most of these competitive students I know detract from social interactivity and thus will fail to learn tons of lessons about social life as a teen. Next of all, they develop a competitive nature which follows them to the workforce and will define them as an adult, which will lead to PF's complaint that families focus too much on earning money. Basically, we're teaching our kids wrong and we should be telling them to find a college that fits them, not to focus only on a few select schools which are really no different when it comes down to it. You can get a good education anywhere.

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The Ivy Leagues are a set of schools in the states which were the first to have sports teams. Now, what this translates into is they're great for sports, but get a false reputation for education. Every competitive, naive young American wants to get into these schools and these schools alone. They limit themselves to the understanding of what education should be. They think they should be cutthroat and go to a college that has a name, no matter if it has substance (ie. Harvard or Princeton). Now the problem is, they should be considering ALL colleges. Any community or liberal arts college can get you where you want if it's right for you. You can easily make more money if you have a more fulfilling experience at a smaller college than at a big name one. They spend all of their time studying for these colleges and have no idea or care if the colleges will be substantial or not. they just care to have it in name alone. That's one of the many competitive edges we have in America, and people are often HIGHLY cutthroat in order to obtain a standing and gain entrance to a school that may not be the best for them.

 

What this means is we should change the mentality from only looking to Ivy League schools but instead considering ALL of them. This still includes the Ivy Leagues but also has those colleges which are really just right for anyone but they aren't as famous as the others.

 

How does this affect other things? Well, most of these competitive students I know detract from social interactivity and thus will fail to learn tons of lessons about social life as a teen. Next of all, they develop a competitive nature which follows them to the workforce and will define them as an adult, which will lead to PF's complaint that families focus too much on earning money. Basically, we're teaching our kids wrong and we should be telling them to find a college that fits them, not to focus only on a few select schools which are really no different when it comes down to it. You can get a good education anywhere.

 

Yeah I think you hit it on the head there Flak, to be honest these days people are more focused on what school they're going to rather than if they're getting a good education. Lets face it, these days you can get a better pre-med/ med program at the University of Louisville as you can at Duke, both optiosn I looked at when I started med school. The only difference betweent he two is that you pay 8000$ a year at U-of-L versus the 50,000$ a year at Duke. People would rather go to Duke because of the name though... well that and I grew up in Durham NC so it was close to home but I ended up going elsewhere. :rolleyes:

 

I do think I have a point though, people are too concerned with money these days to see what really matters in life. I chose to go into the medical field because I have Crohne's disease and I want to find a cure. I actually enjoy the work and love working with people, so I think it's one of the perfect jobs for me. I havn't got a whole lot of cash, but so long as I have my basic nessesities I'm okay. I realize that most college students live like I do, college costing what it does these days, and med school costs not withstanding. However, I have all my basic needs provided for, I have food, a decent apartment, food, and I feel reaosnably accepted in my surroundings, which is better than most of my life. Plus I've got my Gal, who I think even if I didn't have the other stuff and I just had her, I think I'd still be okay.

 

When I started going to college though, my high school college counsuler always told me to follow my heart. I dunno if I'm contradicting myself, but I do think practicality does have something to do with what one should do with one's life. I managed to find a field that fits my life perfectly, but I don't think everyone who wants to be doctor should be a doctor, or everyone who wants to be an actor should be an actor. That may be for later in life once you've established yourself financially. At some point you do need to look at things rationally and see if you can make enough money to support a family and if you'd be qualified for the work. The medical field takes balls and brain that, lets face it, not everyone has. Likewise, if everyone was an actor, we wouldn;t make much progress as a society and the acting field would be oversaturated with workers so that noone would ever get recognised as exceptional.

 

I guess what I'm trying to say is you've got to have balance. Some people arn't meant for certain jobs. You've got to find the right job for you that fits your heart and your head, and not to mention your pocketbook. ;)

 

But I agree, we are as a society far too monitarily driven. Even in med school there's a fair amount of "oh, did you see Ian's new iPod Touch, I wish I had one of those" or "Hey, I think Amber got a new dress, Its one of those designer deals that cost 400$, I wish I had that much money to spend on clothes". You never hear "Floyd just figured out what was wrong with Mr. Harrison and because he caught it I think we can save him, I wish I could do that". We as a society look up to peopel with more money more than we do to people who truely give back to the community at large.

 

To Guzzi and Flak, yes, we're being perfectly civil here, I don't think there's any need to close this thread, because it's actually turned into an interesting and productive political discussion. We're learning things here, which is a good thing I think. I may not agree with Guzzi, but at this point I do think I can respect him for his views and call it quits. This isn't an arguement; more like a bunch of college kids sitting on the quad discussing politics over lunch and coffee. :)

 

Oop... looks like I wrote a novel... sorry... ;)

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Thanks for the info, Flak! Those Ivy League schools sound pretty damn mean. I think I would utterly hate the US College system from what Ive heard with fraternities and sororities. All sounds terribly cliqueish, especially to me who has always been a bit of an outsider, socially.

 

I ended up going into a computer tech course...found I didnt like office work...ended up as a bus driver. Im not well paid but Im well-liked and LOVE my job. Im guessing there arent many out there like me though, content with my lot!

 

Fully agree with people being to into money and beating the Jones's. I guess thats the type of competition that drives most of mankind (I guess Im an alien because Ive never cared about winning!) but when it gets to burning jealousy of someone more successful, is when it gets dangerous. In the words of Jello Biafra - "Most people dont hate rich people as wish they were one of them". The same guy gave the statistic that something like 60% (cant remember the actual figure) are involved in weapons projects. How true that is or not I dont know...but why are we as a race so driven to destroy our fellow man for...bits of paper and metal with numbers on? How sad of a species ARE we? HAHA.

 

Sorry to hear about your Crohns, Floyd. My dad had that and thanks partly to being misdiagnosed for years, ended up having an ileostomy. Maybe one day you'll be the man to produce a cure for it ;) I wish you the best for your meducation (see what I did there? ;) )...it takes a determined person to go through all those years of education. You have a lot more drive than I!

 

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All praise be to Arnie...I just typed all that and accidentally pressed the back button on my mouse. I panicked, forwarded again, and found that the forum had saved what I typed! Ace ;)

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Guzzi would you mind If I asked where you went to college? It sounds like you weren't in the US... England?

 

Where I grew up in NC the "beating the Jones'" syndrome was especially bad. This was sandwiched betwen Duke university campus, which was a stone's throw away from my house, and Research Triangle Park, a portion of town that had its own zip code because so much high end research was going on there. These days the average salary is in the multiple hundreds of thousands; my father works for over a million a year, and he's one of many from that company earning that kind of money. You can bet your britches (wow, I can't believe I said that) that there was a helluva lot of "they just bought a boat, we need a bigger one" going on there. I remember when my neighbors bought a Ferrari 355, and the next week another neighbors goes out and buys a Lamborghini. I think we're the poor ones, my father just drives a Corvette Z06... :P

 

Incedently, during my brief stint in Austria, I didn't really find the colleges to be much different in terms of feel and gheist. Because they;re public colleges the competition there is pretty fierce, unlike in America where the price of the college is the most restricting factor. For alot of schools competition is still pretty crazy; I had to work my *albatross* off to get accepted to where I am now, and I wouldn't consider it a super high end college. Well, I should take that back, its a very good college in some sectors and it's well known just for the history of the school and the founders... but still, you get my point, i hope. Colleges, even the non-ivy are becomming increasingly difficult to get into...

 

 

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Im in England, yeh. Pretty lucky really...with all the treatment my dad has had over the years with his Crohns, diabetes and so on, I hate to think how much itd cost him in America! Our health system takes National Insurance from peoples wages to pay for the free healthcare. Sadly this means that those who work end up paying for all the druggies and alcoholics who dont work to get free medicare... :(

 

I guess my non competitiveness comes from a family with...blah...aspirations. Dad used to be a maintenance engineer, mum worked in factory jobs...both have been out-of-work disabled for over 20 years (both are pensioners now). Their fathers were a miner on one hand, an ambulance driver on the other. You get the idea - normal everyday jobs, noone who was big in business or high-skilled trades.

 

As has been said about me before...maybe thats why I was a Communist for 2 years and still have egalitarian ideals. Communism and egalitarianism suits those with the least, total free trade and economic suit those with the money.

 

As for cars...I think the highest class car anyone in my immediate family has ever had was a VW Fastback 1600E! Maybe that says a lot about our aspirations ;)

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Im in England, yeh. Pretty lucky really...with all the treatment my dad has had over the years with his Crohns, diabetes and so on, I hate to think how much itd cost him in America! Our health system takes National Insurance from peoples wages to pay for the free healthcare. Sadly this means that those who work end up paying for all the druggies and alcoholics who dont work to get free medicare... :(

 

I guess my non competitiveness comes from a family with...blah...aspirations. Dad used to be a maintenance engineer, mum worked in factory jobs...both have been out-of-work disabled for over 20 years (both are pensioners now). Their fathers were a miner on one hand, an ambulance driver on the other. You get the idea - normal everyday jobs, noone who was big in business or high-skilled trades.

 

As has been said about me before...maybe thats why I was a Communist for 2 years and still have egalitarian ideals. Communism and egalitarianism suits those with the least, total free trade and economic suit those with the money.

 

As for cars...I think the highest class car anyone in my immediate family has ever had was a VW Fastback 1600E! Maybe that says a lot about our aspirations ;)

 

Well I guess that's one flaw that even our healthcare system has... companies over here offer healthcare as bonus', so I don't pay much at all actually. My father, who has Crohns disease as well (it runs in the family, my grandmother on my father's side had it, and it sounds like her father had it as well) pays next to mothing for his insurance, a paltry 400$ a month which pays for his medication, Humira, which is an injection that costs 2400$ a shot. He takes two shots a month... so I think he's got a pretty good deal. But I guess there are people who go to the doctor's office even when they just have a running nose, which drives costs of private insurance up much in the same way as it drives your up with the lazy's, only in America you eliminate the lazy people from the system because you pretty much have to have your employer to pay for your healthcare because it's so expensive otherwise.

 

Hey man, I don't really believe in non-skilled labor. Every laborer, from the brick layer to the lawyer to the astro-physicist has to have some kind of skill. I speant a summer in St. Paul learning how to use a manual milling machine a couple years back, and I'll tell you what, that's no walk in the park. My father was the first in our family to seek "greatness" actually; he put himself through college and became an electrical engineer and went on to invent many important technologies that you probably use. He was the project manager of the team that created Blu-Tooth and the brains behind the Playstation 2 networking system to name a few. Other than that though, may family is just as "unspectacular". My mom worked as an accountant. My mom's parents were farmers, my dad's owned a junk yard.

 

I'm actually registered to vote as a Liberatarian, have been for a couple of years, before that I was a Republican. I figure that if everybody looks out for themselves, nobody is left behind. I'm a fan of a good hard day's work, and I do subscribe tot he philosophy that says "what doesn't kill me makes me stronger". However, you mustn't think I don't care about everyone; I actually do, but I find it hard to care about people who don't care about themselves.

 

And no, VW's are fun cars. IIRC you can actually drop a Porsche engine into one particular model of VW's, although I can't remmber which one, and turn it into a right monster.

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Woah! Arent you allied in WW2 airsoft? HAHA.

 

Actually, Ill bet a WW1 Churchill would have been pretty much bang on Hitlers score.

 

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I like the idea that all labor is skilled...after all I guess every job, even the easiest, is one that some people could not or would not be prepared to do. I wouldnt want to stand outside shovelling ashphalt all day for example :D I love my bus driving...Im not in any hurry to get places and I love driving. I get good passengers too because Im on the same route most days :) They give me chocolate bars and sausage rolls Mmmm :D

 

I accidentally voted BNP a couple of times before I realised what utter asshats they were (they may look good on the surface but...ecccch!), and that is a decision I will regret for the rest of my life. Honestly, owning up to being asexual is a LOT easier than admitting I voted for those <bleep>s. Now I vote Socialist when I can and Liberal Democrat when I cant...although last time I voted Conservative just because they were the only lot against the VCRA.

 

The VW...hmm, lovely car. Ours was identical to this:

Pretty much the same colour. We used to love playing 'Find the engine' with people ;)
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Woah! Arent you allied in WW2 airsoft? HAHA.

 

Actually, Ill bet a WW1 Churchill would have been pretty much bang on Hitlers score.

 

Pretty much the same colour. We used to love playing 'Find the engine' with people ;)

 

Yeah, I am, but TBH, I was trying to get as far right as possible, I'll edit this post with my real result in a moment.

 

http://www.politicalcompass.org/printableg...2&soc=-3.69

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