skyrider1 Posted August 9, 2012 Report Share Posted August 9, 2012 (edited) Guarder made a bunch of upgrade parts for the KJW (not KSC/KWA) Glock 23. Since the KJW is a clone of the tm system, I was able to put tm internals into the guarder upgrades. BTW, for those interested, I'm really impressed by the guarder frame for the g19. Compared to my g17 frame, it is less shiny (could be because my g17 frame is more used though) and feels sturdier. Design is also a little cleaner. It also allows for use of the g17 magazines without some fitting a stock kjw frame would require. Edited August 9, 2012 by skyrider1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Wingman Posted August 9, 2012 Report Share Posted August 9, 2012 Never knew Guarder made a G23 frame. Is it still available and if yes, where? I'd like to get my hands on a couple. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
FireKnife Posted August 9, 2012 Report Share Posted August 9, 2012 They make them, but they are basically an externals kit to make the tradeless KJ Glock 23 into a Glock 19 with all the bits. But you can whack a few Marui bits in to up the reliability. 'FireKnife' Quote Link to post Share on other sites
skyrider1 Posted August 10, 2012 Report Share Posted August 10, 2012 It was just released recently I think in the last month. It is basically what they have for the marui g17 but for the kjw g23, a frame with proper trademarks. The majority of the HK sites should have them in stock now if not soon. I got mine from airsoftglobal. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Genome Posted August 17, 2012 Report Share Posted August 17, 2012 I've got a question for everyone that owns Tm Glock 17's. When fitted with a PGC G17 slide on a Marui will this now fit into RS molded G17 holsters? Mainly I am intreseted in OTG and previously uscmCorps mentioned they can get their hands on a airsoft model and then mold it to TM spec but a PGC profile I think is similar to RS diemensions. Can anyone chime in? I don't want to spend 70 dollars on a 20/21 and its loose or a 17 if its too tight. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Wild_XIII Posted August 17, 2012 Report Share Posted August 17, 2012 AFAIK, all of the TM compatible Glock slides are slightly wider to accomodate the TM internals. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mimesis Posted August 17, 2012 Report Share Posted August 17, 2012 (edited) I have a PGC slide kit awaiting installation. On the label on the box it says: G17 for MARUI CUSTOM real holster OK (6004, cqc etc...) 2010 Ver: 'FlameCarver' Edited August 17, 2012 by mimesis Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MrBond Posted August 17, 2012 Report Share Posted August 17, 2012 The newer PGC slides are fine for molded type holsters BUT the problem will come mostly with the the original or Garder lower frames... they are 1-2mm too wide. They fit great in Glock 20-21 holsters tho (as far as the Blackhawk serpas are concern). Quote Link to post Share on other sites
flateric41 Posted August 19, 2012 Report Share Posted August 19, 2012 (edited) ksc glock 23f gbb (frame olive green/slide sand) - cyma glock 18c aep (frame sand/slide tan) Edited August 19, 2012 by flateric41 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
vilerk Posted August 20, 2012 Report Share Posted August 20, 2012 Guarder/KJW Steel G19- After its first game. I think it looks better this way. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
frogfish Posted August 20, 2012 Report Share Posted August 20, 2012 looks good, tdid that start life as a g19 or a g23? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
aznriptide859 Posted August 20, 2012 Report Share Posted August 20, 2012 Also where did you buy the lower? I desperately need one Quote Link to post Share on other sites
vilerk Posted August 21, 2012 Report Share Posted August 21, 2012 looks good, tdid that start life as a g19 or a g23? Thanks. It started as a G23, but I pretty much replaced all the operating parts off the bat. Also where did you buy the lower? I desperately need one I got it from Airsoftglobal, but unfortunately they're out of stock now, like most HK retailers. Maybe try contacting Guarder directly through Intrudershop? I heard they take credit card orders. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
frogfish Posted August 21, 2012 Report Share Posted August 21, 2012 Good to know, although I don't know why you replaced the guts, my KJ G23 has been performing spectacularly for 8 years now, the only hiccup being crappy jungletoy outter barrel that broke. You do have me wanting to get a good looking slide though, I'm finishing my 23s build in a few weeks when I get home, but I'm using the original slide with its crappy finish. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
vilerk Posted August 21, 2012 Report Share Posted August 21, 2012 The valve knocker cracked on my G23 early on, and the trigger bar started bending, and the trigger pulls started to get sloppy. Maybe KJW quality went down in the past few years? But anyways, once properly fitted, having steel parts just gives peace of mind. Make sure you get the upgraded frame when you upgrade the slide, haha. It's amazing how different a stock G23 feels from its fully upgraded counterpart. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Squad 701 Posted August 21, 2012 Report Share Posted August 21, 2012 Another shot of some Glock 19s, a KSC/Prime (821g) and KJW/Detonator (683g w. Guarder Frame) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
wolfgeorge Posted August 21, 2012 Report Share Posted August 21, 2012 IPSC KSC G18c with full trades frame. Wolf Quote Link to post Share on other sites
crackisbad Posted August 21, 2012 Report Share Posted August 21, 2012 Found a trademarked frame for my KSC! Next on the to buy list is a proper Slide and Barrel Quote Link to post Share on other sites
aznriptide859 Posted August 21, 2012 Report Share Posted August 21, 2012 Yes please, those trademarks are ghastly lol. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
crackisbad Posted August 21, 2012 Report Share Posted August 21, 2012 lol, that they are Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TeowneD Posted August 23, 2012 Report Share Posted August 23, 2012 KSC glock 19 with its new 20 year old MGC cousin -brendan Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Squad 701 Posted August 23, 2012 Report Share Posted August 23, 2012 It's older MGC cousin looks very nice indeed Has the KSC got the PGC slide ? Very hard to see properly on my mobile. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TeowneD Posted August 23, 2012 Report Share Posted August 23, 2012 It's older MGC cousin looks very nice indeed Has the KSC got the PGC slide ? Very hard to see properly on my mobile. Its got a Shooters design slide and barrel, came as a "custom" piece from UNco. Quality's great and it hasnt failed me yet, though I wish the slide was a little bit more grey. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
crackisbad Posted August 23, 2012 Report Share Posted August 23, 2012 I have a pic request: can I get a few pictures of people's slide internals (mainly BBU) and frame internals (hammer assembly) from KSC semi glocks please? I would really need some pics for comparison Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TeowneD Posted August 23, 2012 Report Share Posted August 23, 2012 I have a pic request: can I get a few pictures of people's slide internals (mainly BBU) and frame internals (hammer assembly) from KSC semi glocks please? I would really need some pics for comparison do you mean disassembled, or with parts still in frame/slide? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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