the cleaner Posted February 13, 2008 Report Share Posted February 13, 2008 found this on Youtube: says "from China". . .owner of video is also from China. This isn't the GWS kit. .unless it's a prototype. . product by VIVA? notice the bolt and bolt cover is for a 7.62 (AK) and not for the 9mm Bizon. . .GWS has the proper cover and bolt. Mag is also based on the early prototype sheetmetal version released for the Bizon1 The mag appears to be in it's proto stage too. .as the bare machined aluminum mag cap is showing. . however, winding the mag (up n down) is the same as the GWS. Real steel is wound rotationally/concentric with tube. maybe it's a custom made Bizon? or future production? hard to tell. .. Link to post Share on other sites
neoptolemus Posted February 13, 2008 Report Share Posted February 13, 2008 Excellent? The guy who responded on youtube appears to be a class A douchebag though. Link to post Share on other sites
uscmCorps Posted February 13, 2008 Report Share Posted February 13, 2008 Hmmm... not bad at all. If they produced midcaps that worked with my GWS BIZON, I'd buy them. Link to post Share on other sites
the cleaner Posted February 13, 2008 Author Report Share Posted February 13, 2008 Excellent? The guy who responded on youtube appears to be a class A douchebag though. thanks. .i'll take that as a compliment. . . why so? cuz I pointed out all the MISTAKES? If someone's going to replicate a RS gun in airsoft. . shouldn't it be AS CLOSE AS POSSIBLE? would you want a gun labeled as an SR25 with a 9mm magwell? Link to post Share on other sites
RedScare Posted February 14, 2008 Report Share Posted February 14, 2008 beggars cant be choosers. if we want a cheaper alternative, im pretty sure we can get over a few mistakes. Link to post Share on other sites
mattmanic Posted February 14, 2008 Report Share Posted February 14, 2008 would you want a gun labeled as an SR25 with a 9mm magwell? If it was cheap and good quality enough I'd buy it. Link to post Share on other sites
Sale Posted February 14, 2008 Report Share Posted February 14, 2008 Well, not all of us are beggars, so please allow to point out factual mistakes in details. This Bizon incorrectly has an AK bolt carrier, when it should have a Bizon bolt. Someone else wanting a cheaper alternative doesn't make me or The Cleaner blind for the errors, does it? Link to post Share on other sites
Gigueand Posted February 14, 2008 Report Share Posted February 14, 2008 Someone else wanting a cheaper alternative doesn't make me or The Cleaner blind for the errors, does it? No, it certainly does not, but the rest of us (or at least some of us) are willing to put up with minor errors in detail in order to have a reasonable facsimile of a Bizon for low cost. I personally would love to have one for a low-weight, relatively rare, field gun. I'm not to worried about people pointing out the inaccurate features of my replica firearm (which as soon as I pull the trigger sounds like a sewing machine and spits white balls...). Especially since only a select few would recognize the inaccurate features and those only on close examination. If someone from across the room sees my cheapy Bizon they are going to recognize it for what it roughly resembles, not the actual horrifically inaccurate kitbash that it truly is. Link to post Share on other sites
Johnny Sasaki Posted February 14, 2008 Report Share Posted February 14, 2008 Close enough for me, particularly against the uber-expensive GWS Bizon. Easy enough to change out the receiver cover too, so I can live with the inaccuracies. Link to post Share on other sites
Sale Posted February 14, 2008 Report Share Posted February 14, 2008 No, it certainly does not, but the rest of us (or at least some of us) are willing to put up with minor errors in detail in order to have a reasonable facsimile of a Bizon for low cost. Please note the context: Someone else just got called a "class A douchebag" for pointing out a few errors in the detailing on the AEG. That is very different compared to someone else saying that "oh I can live with the flaws for the price". If it was a direct insult on the forums (rather than insulting someone on another site you didn't know was here as well), the report button would have flown already. -Sale Link to post Share on other sites
The End Posted February 14, 2008 Report Share Posted February 14, 2008 plus when your taking fire in a game, I don't really think that "geeze this bolt section is not the same on the real steel" is going to cross your mind. And I don't think that other people will care either.... Link to post Share on other sites
Revenge Seeker Posted February 14, 2008 Report Share Posted February 14, 2008 Wow, that's one of the best things from China I've seen since their dboy kalashs. Eh, bolt doesn't make much difference from afar anyways. Nice alternative to the dozen aks74us out there today. Link to post Share on other sites
uscmCorps Posted February 14, 2008 Report Share Posted February 14, 2008 I personally would love to have one for a low-weight, relatively rare, field gun. LOL... It's a clone. The "rareness" of it probably won't last for long. Guess it's time to sell my GWS Bizon... ...... I'm kidding!!! Just kidding!!! Link to post Share on other sites
neoptolemus Posted February 14, 2008 Report Share Posted February 14, 2008 Please note the context: Someone else just got called a "class A douchebag" for pointing out a few errors in the detailing on the AEG. That is very different compared to someone else saying that "oh I can live with the flaws for the price". If it was a direct insult on the forums (rather than insulting someone on another site you didn't know was here as well), the report button would have flown already. -Sale Only a class A douchebag would expect Viva to implement design changes which were left out of the GWS model. For the record, you're a douchebag too. Class A+. Link to post Share on other sites
DarkLite Posted February 14, 2008 Report Share Posted February 14, 2008 I'm hard now. EDIT: Because of the Bizon clone, not the stupid cock-fight going on above. Link to post Share on other sites
uscmCorps Posted February 14, 2008 Report Share Posted February 14, 2008 Can we please move on and get back to discussions of the ACM Bizon? (The above is not directed at any one person, simply that we should get back to the topic at hand.) Link to post Share on other sites
FarEast Posted February 14, 2008 Report Share Posted February 14, 2008 Ok lets have a little less of the childish name calling and keep on topic. Now at this years Blackhole show I saw a Bizon that was very well replicated, but some reason unknown I didn't photograph it ...yes I am kicking myself. Now this could have been GWS Bizon, but the pricing was very very good, I have a feeling that it might be out of the same factory as the AKMS that I pictured, which is an exact copy of the one sold at Russian Mania (SP??) I spoke to my contact and he informed me that the website for this new company will be up in the next few weeks once the New Years Celebrations are over with so we might have some more information on this soon. Link to post Share on other sites
renegadecow Posted February 14, 2008 Report Share Posted February 14, 2008 Not happy with the fact that you have to point the gun at an angle for the bbs to feed. Does anyone know if this has a spring loaded follower for the mag similar to the P90? <-- (the reason why I never made a Bizon mod) Link to post Share on other sites
uscmCorps Posted February 14, 2008 Report Share Posted February 14, 2008 Does anyone know if this has a spring loaded follower for the mag similar to the P90? If they copied the GWS Bizon... then yes. Which is why I'm modifying my GWS Bizon's mags to use Mid-caps. Link to post Share on other sites
FarEast Posted February 14, 2008 Report Share Posted February 14, 2008 renegadecow, how did you come to the conclusion that it needs to be angled to feed correctly??? Is there known issues with the GWS version??? if you are making the assumption from the video, I think it's just an odd camera angle to cover the main details of the Bizons body. Link to post Share on other sites
renegadecow Posted February 14, 2008 Report Share Posted February 14, 2008 how did you come to the conclusion that it needs to be angled to feed correctly From the vid. After winding it a bit, the gun only shot a few rounds before dry-firing (again). There have been Bizon mods in the past using an AK and MP5 mags. Basically, when you don't shoot it slightly downwards, the bbs aren't fed through the mag as the winding part is at the front of the magazine. Link to post Share on other sites
FarEast Posted February 14, 2008 Report Share Posted February 14, 2008 Cheers for that,.... Link to post Share on other sites
DarkLite Posted February 14, 2008 Report Share Posted February 14, 2008 I spoke to my contact and he informed me that the website for this new company will be up in the next few weeks once the New Years Celebrations are over with so we might have some more information on this soon. Someone's finally stumbled upon the secret! Link to post Share on other sites
Johnny Sasaki Posted February 14, 2008 Report Share Posted February 14, 2008 Someone's finally stumbled upon the secret! OSHI- Link to post Share on other sites
Revenge Seeker Posted February 14, 2008 Report Share Posted February 14, 2008 Man, if China really wants to make AK variants.... listen to me on this: Please make a SR-47!!!!! I beg you!!!! (just kidding, I don't beg to anyone ) Link to post Share on other sites
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