Celcius PTW

[tome]

have a sense of humour mate

 

You don't see a much of the receiver but you do at least get to see a bit of machining on the stock tube.

[Rob15]

So its pretty obvious they are maching a lot, if not all of the parts, the question still remains that yehaw asked and are they machined from billet aluminium or just cast and machine finished as so often is the case?

 

Looking at the buffer tube that was been turned i somehow suspect they probably are cast and machine finished, although i could be very wrong.

[t_hum]

There really isnt anything inherently bad about a cast part guys. Its really the quality of the alloy used. People have a general bad taste in the airsoft industry when we hear "cast" because we jump to the assumption that it must be made of some mystery metal. That may not be the case.

 

Its true that die casting has the highest possibility of introducing air trapped into the metal (which can be reduced) but if you really see the amount and types of products still cast this way youll realize that casting isnt the weak link here. Products die cast include pistons, connecting rods, linkages, etc. Again, its the alloys used.

 

I dont care what method they use to make the parts, all I care about is the quality of the alloy. Die casting or gravity die are superb methods for making mass produced parts especially when combined with CNC finishing processes. And just because its billet doesnt mean its made from a good quality alloy, either.

[Hammerfall]

I can't quite read the chrono, but it looks like it starts at like 259 and goes up to 380 odd?

[yehaw]

There really isnt anything inherently bad about a cast part guys. Its really the quality of the alloy used. People have a general bad taste in the airsoft industry when we hear "cast" because we jump to the assumption that it must be made of some mystery metal. That may not be the case.

 

Its true that die casting has the highest possibility of introducing air trapped into the metal (which can be reduced) but if you really see the amount and types of products still cast this way youll realize that casting isnt the weak link here. Products die cast include pistons, connecting rods, linkages, etc. Again, its the alloys used.

 

I dont care what method they use to make the parts, all I care about is the quality of the alloy. Die casting or gravity die are superb methods for making mass produced parts especially when combined with CNC finishing processes. And just because its billet doesnt mean its made from a good quality alloy, either.

 

so why can't anyone tell us which metal they are using?

 

anyone else is advertising their 7075 aluminium parts or what so ever. If their parts are so high quality, just tell us which alloy they use?

[t_hum]

so why can't anyone tell us which metal they are using?

 

anyone else is advertising their 7075 aluminium parts or what so ever. If their parts are so high quality, just tell us which alloy they use?

 

Likely because nobody has direct contact with whoever was in charge of spec'ing what material to use. Im curious myself. Its amazing to me that manufacturers use such crappy alloys consistently. It would almost be hard for Celcius NOT to choose something, anything, superior to what most companies are using.

[PlasticMag]

I can't quite read the chrono, but it looks like it starts at like 259 and goes up to 380 odd?

 

 

He's holding the chrono wrong - it's not a stable position. For all we know, the 380 odd isn't even correct.

[Hammerfall]

He's holding the chrono wrong - it's not a stable position. For all we know, the 380 odd isn't even correct.

 

you'd think if he'd have had the ability to chrono the gun properly. Anyway, i always thought it didn't matter how you held it, but i stand corrected.

[PlasticMag]

Yeah, I was a little put off by the chrono too. I've found that with those portable chrono's, they're very sensitive to being misalignned. I don't know why, I would imagine that it would work 100% too.

[Rob15]

I dont care what method they use to make the parts, all I care about is the quality of the alloy. Die casting or gravity die are superb methods for making mass produced parts especially when combined with CNC finishing processes. And just because its billet doesnt mean its made from a good quality alloy, either.

Very good points, although i think that knowing what material is used and what process is used is an important factor in deciding how well priced a gun is, it also helps for people who might want upgrades. What would the point be in buying a new receiver machined from a billet of aluminium if the original is infact machined from billet, which if it was you could have it sand blasted and re-anodized to how you wanted it for much less than buying a new one.

 

Yeah, I was a little put off by the chrono too. I've found that with those portable chrono's, they're very sensitive to being misalignned. I don't know why, I would imagine that it would work 100% too.

Well if a chrono is used when it is tilted the distance the bb has to travel between the 2 sets of sensors is increased very slightly, therefore making the results inaccurate, or so goes my theory.

[jonny2400]

Can't see why your all so worried about the type of alloy used. Like it really makes much of a difference in preformace terms, which is all that really matters. (well for people that play Airsoft)

 

I am also interested in the quaility of the internal parts, and the preformace of the system employed. I feel that too many people have much to high an acceptance of clone airsoft guns not working correctly.

 

If you relate this to any other product, for example a £100 clone AEG not working is ''acceptable'' not how about a £100 moblie phone not working or a £100 watch?

 

Now lets look at this Celcius, coming in at app £400 - £450, that is a lot of money for most things, if this has a few problems celcius will be thinking that we will accept it!!, (well it was a clone so I was expecting a few problems to fix)

 

Image you buy a £450 Tv which does not work 100%, you know for a fact, you would want a new one or a full refund!

 

I think the point I am trying to make is that any item, that any one buys, should do the job it was designed to do and I for one will be very disappointed if the Celcius has a number of Issues, which for any item at this price.. should work 100%

[Mirska]

The point was that Celcius was saying their receiver is better than the Systema original cast receiver. So if there was some proof of it being CNC´d from block of aluminium (or some other process superioir to Systema) then their claims would be correct.

 

As a Systema owner im really looking forward to this release as it would predictably mean cheaper spare parts for PTW users.

[SgtBojangles]

I can't wait for this weapon to hit the stores.

 

I might actually drop more than $250 on an AEG. Hot dang!

 

No +30 mags, though...

[crimsonfalcon07]

The point was that Celcius was saying their receiver is better than the Systema original cast receiver. So if there was some proof of it being CNC´d from block of aluminium (or some other process superioir to Systema) then their claims would be correct.

 

As a Systema owner im really looking forward to this release as it would predictably mean cheaper spare parts for PTW users.

 

Oh thank god someone finally gets it. That was the major draw for me as well.

 

The receiver is die cast like the Systema receiver, but CNC finished, unlike the Systema receiver. No idea what the alloy is, but it's tougher than the Systema receiver based on the scratch test.

 

As for problems, I believe I reported all the problems in this thread and also to Celcius, and all of the "major" ones have been addressed already (magazine follower comes out), while the other ones will be updated on the next run (chip getting reprogrammed so the ROF doesn't overwhelm the cutoff and cause burst fire on semi, and hopup is being redesigned).

 

Performance is smooth, internal parts are made out of tool-grade steel. The magazine not fitting into the magazine well without depressing the catch was because a little pin was sticking out an extra mm, so I pressed it in and it works fine now.

 

FPS has been consistent for me on both the 350 and the 380 fps cylinder. The 350 shoots a bit low at 342-345 fps, averaging 344, and the 380 has been consistently right on at about 380.

[Noart]

All this sounds really awesome Crimson, i know that i'm tempted to buy one.

 

 

You got any more issues to report? Obvoiusly not since you haven't said anything, hehe.

 

The big issue now is the motor(with it being reliable or not), but time will tell...

[Azulsky]

You guys realize its all cast at some point right, they dont pull billets out of the ground

[tome]

The scratch test is for the hardness of the material. There is some possibilty that Harder metal = more brittle. With time and more owners we'll see soon enough

[Frakk2k]

Are we talking 450£ shipped for this gun? Or is it 450+++ .. ? As im sorta stuck up north, shipping prices tend to be a bit .. stiff.

[hayabusa46]

Are we talking 450£ shipped for this gun? Or is it 450+++ .. ?

 

Any details? Link of a store?

[Frakk2k]

Oh, I just saw the mentioning of around 450£. Kinda leaning towards a G&P GBB instead if the price is at this level.

[Billy Bob the Sniper]

TCF: Could we get some comparison shots of the PTW and CTW?

[master_titled]

Looks like they're available at Airsplat for $620 USD

 

http://www.airsplat.com/Items/ER-CTW-M4A1.htm

[Leatherneck]

Wish we had more compare and contrast info from PTW vs CTW. Although for the price the CTW seems appealing.

[Leatherneck]

Has anyone heard or seen of any reviews regarding the internals? CTW in comparsion to the PTW?

[Frakk2k]

Any HK shops with this gun?