New western arms m4 cqb

[uscmCorps]

Looks like mine finally shipped.

Curious if it will arrive with it's trademarks intact or not. Both Redwolf and WGC dremel trademarks. At the very least they drill a hole through the head of the colt horse.

[Lupus78]

Yeah. I don't think that GBB rifles would ever replace AEG's. No way. But I really hope that the GBB rifles would become as a "new" category in stores, with lots of models to choose from. I believe that there is demand for more of these, especially in my country where hicaps are usually frowned upon. When I get one, I won't sell my faithful AEG. One reason is that with AEG I don't have to buy gas all the time (and it's funny how hard it's to find more powerful gases in local stores - just duster). Another reason (which is the main reason) is that the warm season when we can use gas guns is relatively short here. It lasts less than half a year... CO2 magazines with 12g capsules might extend this season quite a lot.

[sandstorm]

Since the gun is already, with the minimal inner barrel, over 1J on green, I don't think I'd want to extend that much when(if getting this and a new front-end to change it into longer model.

 

Sure some sites have over 1J field limits, but sooenr or later you want to play at field where it's not allowed, or local lawmakers get a bright idea and adopt .98J limit like in Japan or something, and you'll end up cursing up a storm while dremeling your barrel off...

[Lupus78]

At places near myself all have 1.6J limits (they're outdoors). So extended tightbore barrel would really be useful in my case. But what I'm concerned in WA M4 is the actual accuracy, not power. Well, I would like it just below 1.6 Joules, since in woodland outdoor games extra range is always welcome.

 

It remains to see what kind of velocities tightbore barrels would give in WA M4 when using duster gas or more powerful gases. If it rises above 1J with duster, then switching the barrel for games that have this limit, shouldn't be a problem. If/when some company produces tightbore barrels for this gun, it really makes it possible to tune this gun for your exact needs.

 

I wonder if you could use Marui Muzzle Velocity Reduction Adapter in WA M4?

[Wupjak]

Looks like mine finally shipped.

 

Same. Apparently their restock order showed up and they shipped them out.

 

Anybody have a photo handy of a WA inner barrel breach that I could eyeball? Wondering what will be required to cut a tightbore to fit WA's hop setup.

[sandstorm]

At places near myself all have 1.6J limits (they're outdoors). So extended tightbore barrel would really be useful in my case. But what I'm concerned in WA M4 is the actual accuracy, not power. Well, I would like it just below 1.6 Joules, since in woodland outdoor games extra range is always welcome.

 

It remains to see what kind of velocities tightbore barrels would give in WA M4 when using duster gas or more powerful gases. If it rises above 1J with duster, then switching the barrel for games that have this limit, shouldn't be a problem. If/when some company produces tightbore barrels for this gun, it really makes it possible to tune this gun for your exact needs.

 

I wonder if you could use Marui Muzzle Velocity Reduction Adapter in WA M4?

Well, the fields around Helsinki area that I know of have 1J limits, and going further isn't very easy due to work limiting my travel time...

 

On the other hand, I'm much more of a collector than a player, so this probably will end up acquired at one point or another to collect rather than to play exclusively.

[Sale]

Take the statement about accuracy, IMHO I wouldn't expect this rifle to be as accurate as an AEG, simply because its got a degree of "recoil"...every time you fire the rifle your bb (which is inherantly inaccurate to begin with!) is going to go off target as the rifle bucks....

Except that the recoil comes after the BB has left the barrel. If anything, an AEG should be less accurate because it winds the piston before shooting a BB and there's a mass of gears that start to move, and hence the lock time is longer.

 

I'd say that any inaccuracy with this gas rifle is down to the hop-up mechanism of WA. Could the LRB be revived for this gas weapon once again?

 

-Sale

[Magsz]

Except that the recoil comes after the BB has left the barrel. If anything, an AEG should be less accurate because it winds the piston before shooting a BB and there's a mass of gears that start to move, and hence the lock time is longer.

 

I'd say that any inaccuracy with this gas rifle is down to the hop-up mechanism of WA. Could the LRB be revived for this gas weapon once again?

 

-Sale

 

Drooooooooolllllllllllll.

 

Damnit, i think just wet myself lol.

 

EDIT:

 

RW just released the new G&P front end kits as well for the WA m4's. The best part about it is that instead of slots for the hopup these kits come with "sluts". For 123 USD...what a deal!

 

http://www.redwolfairsoft.com/redwolf/airs...il?prodID=24546

[Lupus78]

Nice! You really get all the accessories with the sets. Even a sliding (more modern looking) Buttstock. Not a bad deal indeed...

 

Even without sluts (they seem to have corrected the typo).

[hhsohn]

Except that the recoil comes after the BB has left the barrel. If anything, an AEG should be less accurate because it winds the piston before shooting a BB and there's a mass of gears that start to move, and hence the lock time is longer.

 

I'd say that any inaccuracy with this gas rifle is down to the hop-up mechanism of WA. Could the LRB be revived for this gas weapon once again?

 

-Sale

 

Except that GBB's bolt would have knocked the gun off of your aiming point, thus by the time next BB leaves the barrel, it's not pointing at the same place as the first BB's path. And of course, there's the shot-to-shot gas consistency issue as well.

[sandstorm]

Nice... That Long M4 is looking tempting... Wish the extra magazines would materialize soon as well.

 

[GeistAndComeWhatMay]

"It's not gorgeous actually. Those pics show better than real.

All exterior looks soo cheap.You will be disappointed when you will get the gun in your hands

 

I tested accracy today

I've got not very good result.

 

The distance was 20m.

 

Flash hider and Front sight post are plastic.

The barrel nut and the inside thread is not milspec size.

KAC RAS, SIR, LaRue etc etc don't fit this gun./

 

 

I'm out.

[poison123]

I'm out.

 

 

I'd wait for a real review. My review will be done by next friday.

[GeistAndComeWhatMay]

(GeistAndComeWhatMay @ Apr 25 2008, 06:10 PM)

I'm out.

 

I'd wait for a real review. My review will be done by next friday.

 

 

I spoke to someone who confirmed all my fears.

 

I am a strictly gbb/classic person and wanted so much to like it, but everything that I was hoping for went out the window.

 

Just picked up my second SP.

[ancorp]

Except that GBB's bolt would have knocked the gun off of your aiming point, thus by the time next BB leaves the barrel, it's not pointing at the same place as the first BB's path...

 

That sounds quite realistic to me. Which is the point of this whole gas blowback idea right?

 

Right.

[hhsohn]

That sounds quite realistic to me. Which is the point of this whole gas blowback idea right?

 

Right.

 

Right. Except that you're not reading the original thread that I replied to. My point was that GBB's are inherently inaccurate in full auto. I've had 3 SP M16's. I know what recoil does to accuracy.

[Lupus78]

Right. Except that you're not reading the original thread that I replied to. My point was that GBB's are inherently inaccurate in full auto. I've had 3 SP M16's. I know what recoil does to accuracy.

AEG's are highly unrealistic while in full auto. And that is the very reason I would like to have a GBB primary weapon. I personally love the GBB's for trying to mimick real steel recoil and feel. HiCaps combined with AEG's accuracy in full automatic is what I really don't like. Good thing is that against experienced players just spraying endless streams of bb's doesn't really work that well. Maybe for suppression fire, but not that good getting hits (except in special circumstances like firing through thick bushes etc). Good guys can play extremely efficiently even with Marui shotguns.

 

And the actual semiauto accuracy in the gun before modifications doesn't concern me since if you can add a longer precision barrel and maybe adjust the hop up to work properly you SHOULD be able to make it "skirmishable". The most important thing for me is to get the first shot hit (I love semiauto). Usually people just duck and cover when shot at, and any additional spraying doesn't do much good.

 

And the plastic parts doesn't bother me a bit, since there are already available G&P metal parts, even a metal body coming soon. Too bad I don't have the money available until next winter. Oh well, the summer 2009 should be really interesting... This summer should go along fine with my pimped'up MP5K.

[Inq Eisenhorn]

Just picked up my second SP.

 

Where ARE you guys getting these? I've seriously searched the net and have come up with nothing!!!

 

[Sale]

Right. Except that you're not reading the original thread that I replied to. My point was that GBB's are inherently inaccurate in full auto. I've had 3 SP M16's. I know what recoil does to accuracy.

Ah, but we were discussing the accuracy of the WA, which by default means aimed shots on semi. My first explanation for the inaccuracy of a gas gun would not be "cause it has recoil", because accuracy is tested in a situation where it doesn't affect the groupings.

 

You are right about the consistency issues with gas guns, though.

 

As I said before, Western Arms guns are not famous for accuracy in the first place.

 

Ing: I think I last saw a Sun Project XM177 at GunsNGuys. Shoot them an e-mail if you don't see one. They have been helpful with things like this before. That's where I got my SP M16A1 Carbine many years ago.

 

-Sale

[Inq Eisenhorn]

Many thanks SALE!!!

[Korppi]

Just join classicairsoft and contact Daytonagun. I bet you DON'T want a unmodified SP.

[AustinWolv]

Except stock SPs suck for skirmishing. A few minor upgrades, and they are great fun in the field as well as definitely skirmish-worthy.

[Inq Eisenhorn]

problem is, getting any kind of classic rifle in the UK......you US guys have it soooo good, you even get bloody sunshine.

[Wupjak]

Ladies and Gentlemen, we have a winner.

 

Received my M4 in today's mail. Trades are intact from redwolf thanks to two wisely placed safety stickers covering both the colt trades on the magwell as well as those above the trigger.

 

I don't know what the haters are on about the finish looks fine to me. No creaks in the body, aesthetically it passes for an armalite. The front sight post is the least attractive part of the gun and the fiber/plastic is clearly visible. I don't care, however. I'm about function over looks any day.

 

Gassed up the magazine, headed out to the yard. Recoil is easily 2 or 3 (or more) times the amount present on my Escort MP5, plus this thing works brilliantly right out of the box, unlike my MP5. Semi auto blowback is authoritative and surprisingly strong with propane. Report is LOUD under my covered patio. Accuracy at 50 feet is very good - call it 6" or so in the grinning offhand position with the Marui .25s I had sitting around. I'd say it's a bit less precise than my Marui Hi-Capa or Sig 226, however, but quite sufficient for CQB.

 

Over the chrono with the provided little baggie of .20s, the gun gave 392, 392, 392, 390, 391, 392, 390, 387, 387, 387, 388 in semi. In auto, a very satisfying stream of BBs at 50 feet with a silly amount of recoil. BBs were controlled however and walked into the same circle, quite unlike the SP16 I owned at one time.

 

Out of the box results are very promising. I'm quite excited about this gun. EOTech sits atop the receiver. I took one turn out (counter-clockwise) of my GG&G Accu-cam from the PTW's setting to get it to mount, for whatever that's worth.

 

 

 

 

[wolfstein5]

Good to hear.