shinhk Posted September 10, 2008 Report Share Posted September 10, 2008 nick - there's actually a thread about it in the news section. it's not gonna be compatible with the wam4. it's no clone. okay...i got the pgc hop up unit installed in my gun with a 368 6.05 pdi AEG type inner barrel inside a g&p m4 length outer barrel. Pros: -any aeg barrel will do and with the amounts and varieties that are out there possibilities/lengths are endless -the rubber "hop bucking" is doubled as the feeding tube rather than the plastic piece that everyone breaks (rubber >duh< flexes) -the amount of hop you want to put on it is literally the 360 degrees that redwolf claims it to have and there's no spring needed (there's a guide rail) -did i mention any aeg barrel? Cons: -sanding required on the hop unit itself. It's just a tad too thick and doesn't want to fit. Just gotta sand the outsides (but be careful not to sand off the alignment notch that sticks out) -stock outer barrel will NOT work with this without modification partially because the inner barrel of an AEG has a larger outside diameter than the smallest part of the barrel -368 barrel sticks out about 1cm from the tip without a flash hider. So those of you wondering about how flush it will be...give it 10mm extra in length compared to how it would be in an AEG. I can't say how it shoots yet...haven't set up my chrono but i can tell you this...i'm running it on a broken nozzle and it's shooting pretty darn hard. Depending on how badly your nozzle is "broken", it CAN still work. I'll take pictures and chrono it when i have time. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
GBB Nut Posted September 10, 2008 Report Share Posted September 10, 2008 Pros: -the rubber "hop bucking" is doubled as the feeding tube rather than the plastic piece that everyone breaks (rubber >duh< flexes) What do you think the chances are that the nozzle (or a BB) could damage the exposed hop bucking? Cons: -sanding required on the hop unit itself. It's just a tad too thick and doesn't want to fit. Just gotta sand the outsides (but be careful not to sand off the alignment notch that sticks out) Did you have to sand it to fit into the outer barrel or the upper? Or both? shinhk - Once again thanks for the info. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
nickthebrick65 Posted September 10, 2008 Report Share Posted September 10, 2008 nick - there's actually a thread about it in the news section. it's not gonna be compatible with the wam4. it's no clone. okay...i got the pgc hop up unit installed in my gun with a 368 6.05 pdi AEG type inner barrel inside a g&p m4 length outer barrel. Pros: -any aeg barrel will do and with the amounts and varieties that are out there possibilities/lengths are endless -the rubber "hop bucking" is doubled as the feeding tube rather than the plastic piece that everyone breaks (rubber >duh< flexes) -the amount of hop you want to put on it is literally the 360 degrees that redwolf claims it to have and there's no spring needed (there's a guide rail) -did i mention any aeg barrel? Cons: -sanding required on the hop unit itself. It's just a tad too thick and doesn't want to fit. Just gotta sand the outsides (but be careful not to sand off the alignment notch that sticks out) -stock outer barrel will NOT work with this without modification partially because the inner barrel of an AEG has a larger outside diameter than the smallest part of the barrel -368 barrel sticks out about 1cm from the tip without a flash hider. So those of you wondering about how flush it will be...give it 10mm extra in length compared to how it would be in an AEG. I can't say how it shoots yet...haven't set up my chrono but i can tell you this...i'm running it on a broken nozzle and it's shooting pretty darn hard. Depending on how badly your nozzle is "broken", it CAN still work. I'll take pictures and chrono it when i have time. Good to know, I'm glad it isn't compatible, it will probably fizzle out fast. Just hope it isn't too cheap, I don't wanna see a bunch of kids running around with these guns thinking they compare to the WA m4. WE makes junk. thanks for the info Quote Link to post Share on other sites
shinhk Posted September 10, 2008 Report Share Posted September 10, 2008 What do you think the chances are that the nozzle (or a BB) could damage the exposed hop bucking? Did you have to sand it to fit into the outer barrel or the upper? Or both? Quite honestly i don't think it could damage it. The chances of it being damaged are as good as those metal replacement ones getting damaged. the walls to the entrance are a little under 2mm thick and the opening gives plenty play for a bb to enter. it is flared so even more so it has an easier chance of entering the chamber nicely. i'll take pics of that as well. I had to sand both sides to make it fit snuggly in both the outer barrel and the uppper. i still have to tape the tip of the barrel to give it a cushion since there's no place for the o-ring to sit. hmm...that gives me an idea Quote Link to post Share on other sites
shinhk Posted September 10, 2008 Report Share Posted September 10, 2008 Whoops...too late to edit. anyways i got to chrono it and with the 368 6.05 inner it's shooting at 430ish on abbey ultra (green). Both the good nozzle AND the broken nozzle shot the same. i'll take pictures to show you what i mean by "broken" Quote Link to post Share on other sites
IBICO Posted September 10, 2008 Report Share Posted September 10, 2008 Anyone that could find the fault on this receiver? Constructed by CNC, this upper & lower reciever set is complately made out of aluminum. The smooth lines on the body is aesthetically pleasing on the eyes as well as exquisitely smooth to the touch. It features realistic trademarks and a unique serial number engraved into the body. Thi1s Upper & Lower reciever set has been modified to allow Semi-Auto fire only. Product Code WAM4-005-AS Price (USD) $533.00 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
PlasticMag Posted September 10, 2008 Report Share Posted September 10, 2008 Wait, don't STAG ARMS make their own receivers? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
junior Posted September 10, 2008 Report Share Posted September 10, 2008 Safe/Fire on one side, Safe/Fire/Auto on the other.... WTF, semi auto only?! That bites. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
IBICO Posted September 10, 2008 Report Share Posted September 10, 2008 (edited) Safe/Fire on one side, Safe/Fire/Auto on the other.... WTF, semi auto only?! That bites. It would actually be perfect for me.. and probably for Germany. But what suck is the Auto on the other side.. If this is trued I would not even consider it. But if it is only safe/semi that would be perfect for my semi-sniper platform since in Norway we got a rule that everything over 350fps should be semi only.. The perfect would be a Magpul body Edited September 10, 2008 by IBICO Quote Link to post Share on other sites
poison123 Posted September 10, 2008 Report Share Posted September 10, 2008 It would actually be perfect for me.. and probably for Germany. But what suck is the Auto on the other side.. If this is trued I would not even consider it. But if it is only safe/semi that would be perfect for my semi-sniper platform since in Norway we got a rule that everything over 350fps should be semi only.. The perfect would be a Magpul body Those are two different lowers. One is a Stag, the other is a VLTOR. *cough* its easy to modify that stag to shoot F/A though. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
elrey Posted September 10, 2008 Report Share Posted September 10, 2008 So Prime pulled off "unique/exquisite/aesthetic/realistic", but couldn't make the selector switch markings the same on both sides of the receiver. Yes Redwolf, I'd be more than happy to throw down the cost of another M4 to purchase such a receiver! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
GBB Nut Posted September 10, 2008 Report Share Posted September 10, 2008 So it's half price because they left the lower unfinished (hint: 30 seconds with a drill)? Talk about highway robbery. Give it a few months. My guess is that when they can't move those overpriced "full auto" receivers they will lower their prices to match these "semi auto" ones. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
IBICO Posted September 10, 2008 Report Share Posted September 10, 2008 I would rather go for the Magpul body if anyone would make that one If I would go for the Vltor body.. all my other accessories would be all wrong.. hehe. Then I had to change from magpul stuff to Vltor stuff.. naaah. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
IBICO Posted September 10, 2008 Report Share Posted September 10, 2008 After around 1500rd the bolt stop is not much worn. What is starting to get worn is the valve lock on my test mag that I have used for all my testing at home. Also the bolt seems a bit worn and not sure how much this would effect the bolt stop after maybe 3-4K shots. The original bolt stop got a different metal where it stop the bolt. I just noticed this on the photo since the flash made it have a different color. I also noticed now when cleaning it (which seems to be necessary after maybe each game) that the bolt and feeding nozzle (the one inside the bolt) started to get more sticky of all the silicon that is in the gas. So it might be necessary to take it out and give it a clean now and then. I have always used Green gas on this one. Could not notice any parts starting to fail and it cycle very good. I have used the RS buffer on the recoil spring without any trouble. It might help "slam" the bolt in the hopup house to get a good seal for each shot. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Kalmar Posted September 10, 2008 Report Share Posted September 10, 2008 So Prime pulled off "unique/exquisite/aesthetic/realistic", but couldn't make the selector switch markings the same on both sides of the receiver. Look what I found: http://www.redwolfairsoft.com/redwolf/airs...il?prodID=25307 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
junior Posted September 10, 2008 Report Share Posted September 10, 2008 (edited) nice. So that one is full auto.... Damn. I feel dumb. That was there all along... Edited September 10, 2008 by junior Quote Link to post Share on other sites
IBICO Posted September 10, 2008 Report Share Posted September 10, 2008 They got both.. But still Stag arms?.. is that Vltor? I got this other picture from another MUR Quote Link to post Share on other sites
junior Posted September 10, 2008 Report Share Posted September 10, 2008 (edited) Well look at these pictures of the VLTOR VIS off VLTOR's website: http://www.vltor.com/vis.htm It uses a Stagarms/VLTOR lower receiver too... EDIT: It may be a special production run tyhat Stagarms does for Vltor. Kinda like Magpul and Larue, or Larue and Troy. Edited September 10, 2008 by junior Quote Link to post Share on other sites
IBICO Posted September 10, 2008 Report Share Posted September 10, 2008 Well look at these pictures off the VLTOR VIS off VLTOR's website: http://www.vltor.com/vis.htm It uses a Stagarms/VLTOR lower receiver too... Maybe that is for civilians.. now when they made one for semi-auto only.. I really start wonder how I could make it BURST.. Guess I have to find out how they do on the real AR. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
poison123 Posted September 10, 2008 Report Share Posted September 10, 2008 Maybe that is for civilians.. now when they made one for semi-auto only.. I really start wonder how I could make it BURST.. Guess I have to find out how they do on the real AR. Couple of ways to make a safe/semi AR into F/A. First thing depends on whether your lower is a High Shelf or Low Shelf. Next it depends on whether you have a DIAS or a Lightening link........ Quote Link to post Share on other sites
IBICO Posted September 10, 2008 Report Share Posted September 10, 2008 Couple of ways to make a safe/semi AR into F/A. First thing depends on whether your lower is a High Shelf or Low Shelf. Next it depends on whether you have a DIAS or a Lightening link........ uhm.. English please? I did google a bit. But most where from US people afraid of the legal issue about it on real guns.. Would be nice to have since G&P have a BURST body.. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
junior Posted September 10, 2008 Report Share Posted September 10, 2008 (edited) Guess I have to find out how they do on the real AR. Couple of ways to make a safe/semi AR into F/A. First thing depends on whether your lower is a High Shelf or Low Shelf. Next it depends on whether you have a DIAS or a Lightening link........ uhm.. English please? I think he was referring to something like this: http://www.quarterbore.com/nfa/lightninglink.html Article explains it pretty well... Edited September 10, 2008 by junior Quote Link to post Share on other sites
poison123 Posted September 10, 2008 Report Share Posted September 10, 2008 I think he was referring to something like this: http://www.quarterbore.com/nfa/lightninglink.html Article explains it pretty well... Yup. Sorry left it little vague on purpose. I know for a fact you can't OWN a DIAS and a AR15 together, you go to prison for a long time when the ATF comes to get you. I *think* to make it burstable requires a certain type of trigger/sear/hammer combination. So I'm not sure how well that would translate into Airsoft. One of the things that kinda worries me on the GBB M4 stuff, is its pretty damn close in design to RS that even though it could never shoot a real round, it treads on fairly dangerous legal ground with the 1986 ban on machine guns...... *shrugs* Quote Link to post Share on other sites
poison123 Posted September 10, 2008 Report Share Posted September 10, 2008 uhm.. English please? I did google a bit. But most where from US people afraid of the legal issue about it on real guns.. Would be nice to have since G&P have a BURST body.. So people in the US are afraid of having the markings of F/A, Burst on their receivers? I kinda find that funny My RS setup has F/A markings on it...granted its High Shelf...so I'd have to drill it out if I ever wanted to drop in any fun toys Quote Link to post Share on other sites
IBICO Posted September 10, 2008 Report Share Posted September 10, 2008 It really start to annoy me that neither G&P or WA have released any BURST parts or complete lower with burst.. I would been over that like an hawk Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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