poison123 Posted September 10, 2008 Report Share Posted September 10, 2008 It really start to annoy me that neither G&P or WA have released any BURST parts or complete lower with burst.. I would been over that like an hawk Might have something to do with how the trigger impacts the tapper for the magazine. Honestly I never took that close of a look at it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
GBB Nut Posted September 11, 2008 Report Share Posted September 11, 2008 Burst capability can be achieved with the WA M4. And fairly easily I might add. All that is required is to install a handful of different parts into the fire control mechanism. For obvious reasons I will not post any specific details. Hopefully we will see someone come out with that feature in the near future. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
fmxona500 Posted September 11, 2008 Report Share Posted September 11, 2008 www.airsoftglobal.com They stock the POM loading nozzel. I installed mine today to try and diagnose a firing problem I had. Since I lost that little O ring in the hop up when the plastic hop up died, the BBs were going in too far and it wasn't able to fire. After I installed the nozzle, I installed an oring on the tip of the nozzel itself. Keeps the BB from getting loaded in too far, also, when the bolt slams forward, the O ring keeps from pieces of POM/plastic hitting and slamming into pieces of metal. On a side note....is 490fps with green gas seem alittle high with a 363mm pdi barrel and the G&P trigger group internals? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
shinhk Posted September 11, 2008 Report Share Posted September 11, 2008 nope...490 sounds about right. i'm shooting 470ish with abbey ultra on stock trigger group parts with the same pdi barrel. and thanks for the nfo on where to get that pom loading nozzle! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
IBICO Posted September 11, 2008 Report Share Posted September 11, 2008 If you have a short type outer (think it is 733 length?) Then the M4 inner would stick out 8cm from the end of the barrel. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
shinhk Posted September 11, 2008 Report Share Posted September 11, 2008 ibico - as for your bolt and valve lock wearing down, get the pgc one with the roller on the tip. I thought the bolt weardown was from the bolt stop itself but i believe it's actually from that stock valve lock. Because it's hard and not very smooth it's scraping the bottom of the bolt. Because the bolt is getting worn down on the bottom part, the bolt stop has a harder time grabbing onto the bolt. It seems there's a harder metal on the bolt too. That little roundish nub on the bolt is a diff metal from the entire bolt. Maybe simiar metal to the one on the bolt stop too? Not sure since i don't know much about metals. Either way though those pgc valve locks seem to be better. Now i just need the hammer with the roller on top. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
IBICO Posted September 11, 2008 Report Share Posted September 11, 2008 ibico - as for your bolt and valve lock wearing down, get the pgc one with the roller on the tip. I thought the bolt weardown was from the bolt stop itself but i believe it's actually from that stock valve lock. Because it's hard and not very smooth it's scraping the bottom of the bolt. Because the bolt is getting worn down on the bottom part, the bolt stop has a harder time grabbing onto the bolt. It seems there's a harder metal on the bolt too. That little roundish nub on the bolt is a diff metal from the entire bolt. Maybe simiar metal to the one on the bolt stop too? Not sure since i don't know much about metals. Either way though those pgc valve locks seem to be better. Now i just need the hammer with the roller on top. pgc got valve lock with roller?? I am looking for the hammer with roller.. but not found it for sale anywhere usual place yet. Guess I need a better bolt also. heck.. I`ll probably need to upgrade every part of this gun.. Parts: 1: Hammer with roller so the bolt don`t get worn and float easier over the hammer 2: Valve lock that is harder. 3: Bolt that is harder so the valve lock would not wear down the bolt. 4: Better nozzle and nozzle spring 5: Harder valve spring inside the magazine 6: 120% hammer spring so it have energy enough to open the valve on green 100% 7: Better hopup house since the original crack (done that one) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
shinhk Posted September 11, 2008 Report Share Posted September 11, 2008 http://www.wgcshop.com/pcart/shopper.php?i...-WAM4-VL_srch_1 PGC/Pro Win I actually wouldn't get a valve lock that's harder unless you have a bolt that's made out of something stronger than it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
IBICO Posted September 11, 2008 Report Share Posted September 11, 2008 http://www.wgcshop.com/pcart/shopper.php?i...-WAM4-VL_srch_1 PGC/Pro Win I actually wouldn't get a valve lock that's harder unless you have a bolt that's made out of something stronger than it. And the hammer?? where to find it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
shinhk Posted September 11, 2008 Report Share Posted September 11, 2008 the hammer i'm still looking for too. I also figured out a way for the bolt stop to work more efficiently. And apparently pgc did too. I changed a spring around and took out that tiny one that holds the bolt lock in place. I used one of my spare springs from the valve lock and put it behind the bolt stop so that it uses a spring to go back to it's original position. Now after the bolt is locked back, i can pull the cocking handle, let go and the bolt will fly forward. Since PGC did something like that too...i know they're actually thinking about how to IMPROVE this gun and doing something right. G&P is just producing ###### after ######. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
IBICO Posted September 11, 2008 Report Share Posted September 11, 2008 (edited) so far the price tag is: Ra-tech hopup house : $55 Ra-tech bolt stop : $60 Ra-tech m4 6.03 barrel : $60 Pro-Win Valve Lock 6x: $18 = 108$ Guess I need a new POM and bolt.. that would probably set me back like 200$?? think I am way over the 1K$ mark soon.. hehe. Not counting the Samson rail I just got.. So guys.. buy my Systema MP5.. I need money :D Edited September 11, 2008 by IBICO Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Domz Posted September 11, 2008 Report Share Posted September 11, 2008 Nice except the inner barrel, you going for a silencer or something? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
IBICO Posted September 11, 2008 Report Share Posted September 11, 2008 Nice except the inner barrel, you going for a silencer or something? yeah.. Got 4 different in the mail.. Probably going for the stubby killer silencer since I don`t want a long silencer. Need a short fast moving semi sniper. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
shinhk Posted September 11, 2008 Report Share Posted September 11, 2008 Guess I need a new POM and bolt.. that would probably set me back like 200$?? More like $250ish for the pom and bolt i'd expect. What's wrong with your current nozzle? Another option is to get the pro-win hop up housing ($45), and some aeg barrel that's the length of your 733 outer. Unless of course you want it to be longer. I've spent...hmm...lost count already but I do know it's over 1k total for both of my set ups on just internals alone. Like i said before, to get this gun to be reliable in a skirmish you need to have some sort of source of income (allowances from mommy and daddy won't cut it unless you get a lot). If you want a skirmishable WA and can't afford something like a PTW, you really shouldn't buy one of these. Extra mags alone will hurt your wallet. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
IBICO Posted September 11, 2008 Report Share Posted September 11, 2008 Yeah.. costly.. My M4 rounded about 3500$ when converting it to Diemaco.. Had 2 Systema mp5 but got one of them sold now.. Need to get the other sold before completing my WA.. I got income.. but damn.. My girlfriend is also bitching about that I got 3 guns now.. Guess I need to trim it down to two. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BaBaBooey Posted September 11, 2008 Report Share Posted September 11, 2008 And the hammer?? where to find it. PRIME parts are appearing at several local hobby stores so I'm sure it will be available in North America any day now. I saw the PRIME bolt and hammer set for about $300 US. I suspect it will be much cheaper in the US so I would suggest NOT purchasing from Japan. I also got the PGC valve locks, but yet to install them (the stock ones seems to be doing fine for now)...I purchased 7 for about $130US. Everything in Japan is much more expensive. The Hobby Fix metal receiver also just came out, but I haven't seen one in person yet. I suspect the quality will be identical to their AEG receivers. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
hitmanNo2 Posted September 11, 2008 Report Share Posted September 11, 2008 I found a youtube video of the Prime MUR and their bearing hammer in case anyone was interested. I haven't seen it posted in the thread. http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=JOxubJ30664 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
shinhk Posted September 12, 2008 Report Share Posted September 12, 2008 I saw the PRIME bolt and hammer set for about $300 US. *sigh* that's the only things I want right now. Then i'm all set...maybe... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
junior Posted September 12, 2008 Report Share Posted September 12, 2008 (edited) My girlfriend is also bitching about that I got 3 guns now.. Guess I need to trim it down to two. You thinking all wrong man! You just need to find another girl That video if the MUR is wicked. I may just take the funds from the Inokatsu I was going to buy, and just buy the MUR instead *Joking* Edited September 12, 2008 by junior Quote Link to post Share on other sites
IBICO Posted September 12, 2008 Report Share Posted September 12, 2008 I do still consider the MUR in semi configuration since it is perfect for the Norwegian rule about semi only on 450fps. Could anyone try to e-mail redwolf or Prime to get a better answer.. Guess my english to redwolf did not get trough. Tried to ask if the engravings had safe-semi on one side.. and safe-semi-auto on the other.. Or if it was some wrong type of picture. Maybe they used the auto picture for both. Hello Kenneth: Thank you for your email. Yes, you are right. We do have semi auto version specially made for Germany and New Zealand client. Thank you Thank you for choosing Redwolf Airsoft ________________________________________________ Fancourt Lui Customer Service RedWolf Airsoft Specialist Ltd Quote Link to post Share on other sites
IBICO Posted September 12, 2008 Report Share Posted September 12, 2008 (edited) From airsoftnews.eu PGC: WA M4 HopUp worries If you purchased PGC's WA M4 HopUp kit, take note. There appears to be a problem with this product, more details on Perversity Gun Corporation's webpage: http://www.pgc.com.hk/index1.html Notice on modification of Hop-Up : 1.Please DO NOT install the pin which included in the package. 2.Drill the outer barrel to 8.5mm or above. 3.If the position of the Hop-Up Rubber is not correct, there would be a possibility of problem in loading of bullet. Edited September 12, 2008 by IBICO Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Lughnasadhuk Posted September 12, 2008 Report Share Posted September 12, 2008 My girlfriend is also bitching about that I got 3 guns now.. Guess I need to trim it down to two. LOL. My wife would love it if I only had three guns I have 7 and want to add a WAM4 and a Systema MP5. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
IBICO Posted September 12, 2008 Report Share Posted September 12, 2008 LOL. My wife would love it if I only had three guns I have 7 and want to add a WAM4 and a Systema MP5. Then look no further.. If you watch my signature I have a cheapo systema mp5 for ya Quote Link to post Share on other sites
shinhk Posted September 12, 2008 Report Share Posted September 12, 2008 (edited) Notice on modification of Hop-Up : 1.Please DO NOT install the pin which included in the package. 2.Drill the outer barrel to 8.5mm or above. 3.If the position of the Hop-Up Rubber is not correct, there would be a possibility of problem in loading of bullet. Oh yeah...i forgot to mention about those things! haha okay so: 1. i don't know why vendors didn't just take out that pin, but i didn't install mine cuz i didn't need it 2. the outer barrel of the stock wa is 3 pieces. You'd need to drill the piece that the barrel nut goes onto because an AEG barrel won't fit. but like i said before if you have the g&p outer barrel it'll fit through. This is only needed if you're planning on using the stock outer barrel. 3. if the hop-up rubber isn't straight out then you put it on wrong. If you can't figure out that it's on wrong because it's crooked...then i'm not sure if you should be doing this That hop-up rubber lip IS the loading area for the bb. The nozzle actually goes into that part. Also on a side personal note...my gf is still a gf because i'm buying airsoft instead of a ring That's okay though, we're pretty much a married couple just not on paper so she's satisfied and i'm free to buy things i don't need but REALLY REALLY want Edited September 12, 2008 by shinhk Quote Link to post Share on other sites
uscmCorps Posted September 12, 2008 Report Share Posted September 12, 2008 The WA "High Speed" Bolt is available at WGCShop. Though probably no where near as light as the aluminum CNC versions various after market companies are making and it doesn't have the bolt stop mechanism. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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