Lupus78 Posted September 23, 2008 Report Share Posted September 23, 2008 (edited) Does anyone know what kind of velocity you get from 363mm length RA 6.03mm or PDI 6.01mm barrel AND HFC134a or similar duster gas? The areas where I usually play have 1.6 joule limit (415fps with 0.20g) for full auto rifles. So that is what I would be aiming for if I take the ''pimp my wam-four'' route (almost $1200 with all my intended internal and external upgrades for the gun only). Still waiting for Inokatsu and WE before decision. It seems that with green gas the FPS is way too high, unless I modify it for semiauto only. Either I have to use duster, or just shorter barrel. Or both? I guess a longer barrel with duster gas would be the wise choice, since that wouldn't destroy the internals as fast. And the outer barrel would be M4 length anyway. Also, has anyone tried to attach G&P M203 to their WA M4 with G&P RAS-front sets? Is it possible? I know it blocks the hop up adjustment, but I can always adjust it before attaching the M203. Edited September 23, 2008 by Lupus78 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
shinhk Posted September 23, 2008 Report Share Posted September 23, 2008 Does anyone know what kind of velocity you get from 363mm length RA 6.03mm or PDI 6.01mm barrel AND HFC134a or similar duster gas? The areas where I usually play have 1.6 joule limit (415fps with 0.20g) for full auto rifles. So that is what I would be aiming for if I take the ''pimp my wam-four'' route (almost $1200 with all my intended internal and external upgrades for the gun only). Still waiting for Inokatsu and WE before decision. It seems that with green gas the FPS is way too high, unless I modify it for semiauto only. Either I have to use duster, or just shorter barrel. Or both? I guess a longer barrel with duster gas would be the wise choice, since that wouldn't destroy the internals as fast. And the outer barrel would be M4 length anyway. pdi 6.01 368mm with abbey 134a = 350-370ish fps on stock internals. I'm going to see how much fps i gain by putting in a hammer spring. Also these fps numbers are done in hawaii temperatures (80+ degree) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Lupus78 Posted September 23, 2008 Report Share Posted September 23, 2008 (edited) Thanks! The average temperature here in the spring/summertime is around 65 to 77 degrees Fahrenheit (or 18 to 25 in Celcius). So it seems that at least with duster I can safely use the 6.01mm M4 Carbine inner barrel and all internal hammer & spring upgrades. Only if I could have the lightweight aluminum bolt... That could make the cycles a bit snappier, even with duster. The PGC hop up would seem nice since it could use the standard AEG barrels. Has anyone tried it? With that one, I could just try and use some of the barrels I already own... And they're a lot cheaper too, if I want to buy a correct length. I would love to find a barrel & gas combination that could produce around 400+ fps here in colder climate. Green gas typically is a good choice here since the duster doesn't have enough power for metal slide weapons. Edited September 23, 2008 by Lupus78 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
shinhk Posted September 23, 2008 Report Share Posted September 23, 2008 i have the pgc hop-up and i have a 6.05 pdi inner barrel. i thought i made a post in this thread about my fps findings...or maybe it was on gasguns.info? the pgc hop-up is good but it requires sanding to make it fit and also modifications of the stock outer barrel. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
militaryman7523 Posted September 23, 2008 Report Share Posted September 23, 2008 HELP HELP...I took apart my WA M4 to upgrade the internals, and now i can't figure out how to put the hammer and hammer spring back in. Please some body help. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
militaryman7523 Posted September 23, 2008 Report Share Posted September 23, 2008 never mind i figured it out!!!!! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Kalmar Posted September 24, 2008 Report Share Posted September 24, 2008 HELP HELP...I took apart my WA M4 to upgrade the internals, and now i can't figure out how to put the hammer and hammer spring back in. Please some body help. LOL I'll be in the same situation this weekend Quote Link to post Share on other sites
neubine Posted September 24, 2008 Report Share Posted September 24, 2008 Right now my mag barely hold enough for it to empty all the rounds before it goes empty. Don't you think a stronger hammer spring will increase the gas consumption and reduce the number of shots you have per mag? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
shinhk Posted September 24, 2008 Report Share Posted September 24, 2008 Right now my mag barely hold enough for it to empty all the rounds before it goes empty. Don't you think a stronger hammer spring will increase the gas consumption and reduce the number of shots you have per mag? That's what a hammer spring usually does. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
neubine Posted September 24, 2008 Report Share Posted September 24, 2008 Then just wondering if the trade off for stronger recoil and performance is worth it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
uscmCorps Posted September 24, 2008 Report Share Posted September 24, 2008 IMHO, recoil is definitely not something this gun lacks. In that dept. it excels and is more than adequate. Consistency... and getting every last shot out... that's what I want. I'm dying to know if a lighter bolt will yield that. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
neubine Posted September 24, 2008 Report Share Posted September 24, 2008 Me as well, the last few shots in the mag have me wanting. I'm waiting for the prime bolt and I'm thinking maybe the valve lock upgrade might improve gas consumption as well. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
shinhk Posted September 24, 2008 Report Share Posted September 24, 2008 To me getting 30 rounds out of it is good enough since i probably won't play with it and i usually use 30 round mags. I'd be upset if i couldn't shoot 30 rounds on a full mag. Valve lock upgrade DOES NOT improve gas consumption. At least not enough that i would notice. It does however help to prevent weardown like the stock one. I'll test the lighter bolt when I have time. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
IBICO Posted September 24, 2008 Report Share Posted September 24, 2008 To me getting 30 rounds out of it is good enough since i probably won't play with it and i usually use 30 round mags. I'd be upset if i couldn't shoot 30 rounds on a full mag. Valve lock upgrade DOES NOT improve gas consumption. At least not enough that i would notice. It does however help to prevent weardown like the stock one. I'll test the lighter bolt when I have time. 30?.. Do you use mostly auto in small bursts then? on semi I could empty my mag if I had 50rd in it.. but not 56 like I am able to get in if I load it all the way. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
shinhk Posted September 24, 2008 Report Share Posted September 24, 2008 Oh no what i meant was i'm glad i can get a full 30 rounds out of my gun full or semi. i can go through 50 on semi, but the main thing to me is that it can get through AT LEAST 30 on burst/full auto. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
GBB Nut Posted September 25, 2008 Report Share Posted September 25, 2008 I just wish they made 30 round mags Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Lupus78 Posted September 25, 2008 Report Share Posted September 25, 2008 Just strip down the mag and insert 20 or so rounds on the other end of the spring... Voila! You have 30-rounder. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
shinhk Posted September 25, 2008 Report Share Posted September 25, 2008 but but...it's just not the saaaaame! and if you've taken apart the wam4 mag...it's not so easy to put those 20 or 30 rounds on the other end of the spring i tried...then 20 minutes later i gave up! hahaha Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Lupus78 Posted September 25, 2008 Report Share Posted September 25, 2008 Yeah, haven't done it. So I can be wrong. Just a trick that works with AEG mags. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
GBB Nut Posted September 25, 2008 Report Share Posted September 25, 2008 Another reason I want WA M4 mags designed specifically for 30 rounds is that it would free up more space for more gas per mag. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
shinhk Posted September 25, 2008 Report Share Posted September 25, 2008 ah good point. and maybe even make it easier to take apart since the spring won't curl on the bottom. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
militaryman7523 Posted September 25, 2008 Report Share Posted September 25, 2008 My WA M4 is having some feeding problems. It some times randomly will just let the bbs role out of the barrel. Any help would be appreciated Quote Link to post Share on other sites
shinhk Posted September 25, 2008 Report Share Posted September 25, 2008 You installed your hop-up wrong. Look through this thread there was talks on how to properly install the hop-up with the o-ring properly and if i recall correctly someone posted a picture of how the o-ring should look. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ratech Posted September 26, 2008 Report Share Posted September 26, 2008 RA-TECH new priducts steel hammer with 5 bearing. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
rusTORK Posted September 26, 2008 Report Share Posted September 26, 2008 RA-TECH new priducts steel hammer with 5 bearing. Nice hammer... Inokatsu update theit site. A lot of parts (forum can't handle them all). Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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