Pte Mong Posted July 2, 2008 Report Share Posted July 2, 2008 does anyone have the Western Arms M4 yet? is it worth 500 quid? is it an effective and usable wpn? pics/vids would be awesome. Link to post Share on other sites
thatoneguy92088 Posted July 2, 2008 Report Share Posted July 2, 2008 http://www.arniesairsoft.co.uk/forums/inde...hl=Western+arms There you go. GBBs generally are not good skirmishers. I think its too much for the gun not to mention the outrageous magazine prices. Link to post Share on other sites
beretta Posted July 2, 2008 Report Share Posted July 2, 2008 The mags are retailing for about 70euro or so, the guy i work with bought one and i just cant get enough of it, it holds more than enough gas to empty the mag and cool down isnt really an issue with it, Im defo going to be getting one after playing with his for a few weeks. Link to post Share on other sites
Pte Mong Posted July 2, 2008 Author Report Share Posted July 2, 2008 dammit. thanks dude, aplogies for not performing a more thorough search. again. Link to post Share on other sites
reaper16 Posted July 3, 2008 Report Share Posted July 3, 2008 Personally i think VFC had the chance to innovate and failed...miserably... Gas in the mags....yeah seen that IMO they should have put he gas tank in the stock tube. I think the whole design is flawed, the older gas guns had a better design, but oh well. Link to post Share on other sites
Danke Posted July 3, 2008 Report Share Posted July 3, 2008 WA is the same as VFC? There are said to be some user reviews on the PTW forums but you need to be a member to see them (I am not) I you search the net you'll find some quotes from there posted in the clear. Personally i think VFC had the chance to innovate and failed...miserably... Gas in the mags....yeah seen that IMO they should have put he gas tank in the stock tube. I think the whole design is flawed, the older gas guns had a better design, but oh well. Link to post Share on other sites
Pte Mong Posted July 3, 2008 Author Report Share Posted July 3, 2008 vfc have made a gbb ar? this is news to me... i had the oppurtunity to buy an original old school gbb m4 a while ago and kicked myself when i didnt, got my hopes up when i saw an ad for the wa but seems like its not quite there yet? for 500 i'd want something bang on usable. Link to post Share on other sites
AGuy Posted July 3, 2008 Report Share Posted July 3, 2008 vfc have made a gbb ar? this is news to me... i had the oppurtunity to buy an original old school gbb m4 a while ago and kicked myself when i didnt, got my hopes up when i saw an ad for the wa but seems like its not quite there yet? for 500 i'd want something bang on usable. You can still purchase those old school co2 airsoft rifles....classicairsoft.org (or net) Link to post Share on other sites
beretta Posted July 3, 2008 Report Share Posted July 3, 2008 I think the whole design is flawed, the older gas guns had a better design, but oh well. Doing that though, would result in the gun having cool down issues, at least the way they have it now means the next mag you throw in has room temp gas in it and its ready to go, it only needs enough gas to emply the capacity of the mag and seeing as you'll be changing the mag anyway it makes sence to have a new load of gas going in with it. Link to post Share on other sites
Pte Mong Posted July 3, 2008 Author Report Share Posted July 3, 2008 You can still purchase those old school co2 airsoft rifles....classicairsoft.org (or net) i checked them out when i was looking at buying the gbb. the stuff theyv done is amazing but unfortunatley they are in the u.s.and given what i was going to pay for the gun and what i wanted doing to it worked out to be prohibitively expensive. Link to post Share on other sites
Inq Eisenhorn Posted July 4, 2008 Report Share Posted July 4, 2008 If you want to go gas, it seems there are quite a few ways to do it, theres the WA route, and if mag prices are a problem then buy them from abroad, the cheapest I've seen them elsewhere is around the 40GBP mark, which is really good considering what they are, and considering that a GBB pistol mag could set you back as much as 25GBP!! However, if you are prepared to wait, here are some of the other options in the pipeline. 1. Daytonagun is producing a rnage of M4 AEG rifles converted GBB ala Escort internals.....he's recently asked for people to recommend alternatives to the M4 and the debate is ongoing, it looks like the majority want an AK variant....however, I have receieved word that he would also consider doing a SCAR GBB 2. Inokatsu are about to release a range of CO2 gas in mag rifles, which covers everything from SCARs to AKs and includes the lovely M4. 3. Theres the rifle thats supposed to be coming from Tanio Koba..... 4. Theres the M4 supposed to be coming from K1custom. 5. Last but by no means least is the Classic route, which is pretty similar to point number 1. above, but these will invariably be second hand / used, and may or may not come with the required upgrades that appear to be required. The rifles produced by Daytonagun will come with these upgrades as standard. Hope that helps. Link to post Share on other sites
Azubi Posted July 4, 2008 Report Share Posted July 4, 2008 the cheapest I've seen them elsewhere is around the 40GBP mark, which is really good considering what they are, and considering that a GBB pistol mag could set you back as much as 25GBP!! That is quite a flawed logic. You are comparing the cheapest price for the WA M4 mag with the most expensive pistol mag price as a way of saying you are getting a bargain with the WA M4 mag. Link to post Share on other sites
Pte Mong Posted July 4, 2008 Author Report Share Posted July 4, 2008 If you want to go gas, it seems there are quite a few ways to do it, theres the WA route, and if mag prices are a problem then buy them from abroad, the cheapest I've seen them elsewhere is around the 40GBP mark, which is really good considering what they are, and considering that a GBB pistol mag could set you back as much as 25GBP!! However, if you are prepared to wait, here are some of the other options in the pipeline. 1. Daytonagun is producing a rnage of M4 AEG rifles converted GBB ala Escort internals.....he's recently asked for people to recommend alternatives to the M4 and the debate is ongoing, it looks like the majority want an AK variant....however, I have receieved word that he would also consider doing a SCAR GBB 2. Inokatsu are about to release a range of CO2 gas in mag rifles, which covers everything from SCARs to AKs and includes the lovely M4. 3. Theres the rifle thats supposed to be coming from Tanio Koba..... 4. Theres the M4 supposed to be coming from K1custom. 5. Last but by no means least is the Classic route, which is pretty similar to point number 1. above, but these will invariably be second hand / used, and may or may not come with the required upgrades that appear to be required. The rifles produced by Daytonagun will come with these upgrades as standard. Hope that helps. excellent info dude, thanks. mmmmmSCAR gbb Link to post Share on other sites
Inq Eisenhorn Posted July 4, 2008 Report Share Posted July 4, 2008 That is quite a flawed logic. You are comparing the cheapest price for the WA M4 mag with the most expensive pistol mag price as a way of saying you are getting a bargain with the WA M4 mag. No, its not flawed logic at all. You can get GBB pistol mags for all kinds of prices, for example, if you shop at Fire-Support you can expect to pay 30GBP for a WA pistol mag, you can expect to pay 25GBP for a Marui mag, and the list goes on. I think, considering the average price for a pistol mag is between 25 - 30GBP, an extra 10GBP for a GBB assault rifle mag isn't bad at all. Now if you consider certain shops in the UK are asking for 84GBP for the WA CQB-R mag, then you can see that the 40GBp I quoted is very VERY good indeed. At the end of the day, if the price is too high for the user, he won't buy the rifle. I have no idea what the OPs budget or expenditure is when it comes to airsoft (or anything else for that matter) but I'd rather furnish the gentleman with numbers as opposed to simply saying "the mags are very expensive".....now that the OP has some numbers to play with he can make a much more informed decision about his potential purchase.....don't you think? Link to post Share on other sites
mr eagle Posted July 4, 2008 Report Share Posted July 4, 2008 Im still seriously considering getting one, but i can get a whole new Ak complete with grenade launcher and brand new russain optics for less than that :/ Link to post Share on other sites
vengecore Posted July 4, 2008 Report Share Posted July 4, 2008 Yeah a Co worker of mine has the CQb version. Its a awesome gun just for replica sake. Link to post Share on other sites
mr eagle Posted July 4, 2008 Report Share Posted July 4, 2008 The range on them is'nt bad either so i can't see them not being able to hold their own on a regular game day, im used to getting in close for the shot anyway so it is just sitting there calling me, well my pin number anyway Link to post Share on other sites
Pte Mong Posted July 4, 2008 Author Report Share Posted July 4, 2008 i am tempted to sell half my collection and buy one but i think i'll wait out and see what the next few monthsbrings in terms of 2nd gen models/competitors offerings. well thats my justification for asking the wife for a 500 quid xmas present Link to post Share on other sites
dxu76 Posted July 5, 2008 Report Share Posted July 5, 2008 http://www.arniesairsoft.co.uk/forums/inde...hl=Western+arms There you go. GBBs generally are not good skirmishers. I think its too much for the gun not to mention the outrageous magazine prices. Kinda off topic, but velcor patch on...does anyone else think its like a squared pube shave... he he he, just gotta put it out there...now talks among yourselves. Link to post Share on other sites
limeyrock Posted July 5, 2008 Report Share Posted July 5, 2008 I got a CQB model last week and frankly, I can't find fault with it. I've been mostly using it with HFC22 and I did have to re-seal the mag with some silicone grease but that's no surprise, it's designed to hold HFC134a. Performance seems pretty good, pushing even .29 and .3 weight rounds out easily past stock AEG levels. The consistency is fair, easily as good as any normal AEG I've used, though as you'd expect, the hop needs wearing in from new. As you would expect from WA, the build quality is excellent and the attention to detail is close to perfect, with authentic takedown, balance and dimensions; even the forward-assist functions as it should. You need to practice your drills with this rifle as you would the real thing, the bolt locks back as it should and we saw a fair few bewildered AEG owners in the shop, finally figuring out what that (until now) useless little button on the left of the weapon is for (thats the bolt release folks). All in all I'm really happy. PS: hunt around, you can find even UK retailers selling them for under £400. Link to post Share on other sites
lewis hiscock Posted July 5, 2008 Report Share Posted July 5, 2008 WGC will do you one for under 300 quid (before import charges and delivery). Eisenhorn where did you see the mags for 40GBP? as i agree this is a very good price. im currently weighing up the same pros and cons between a daytonagun conversion and the WA M4. My main concern is the external tank if using a Daytonagun/Classic. as an instrument engineer who uses pressure systems alot i am a little concerned about carrying a 3000psi tank on my person. maybee its just my paranoia but im Looking at getting one or the other around september. ofcorse by then we could have some news on yet more alternatives (dont expect the inokatsu to be cheap , thier body kit for the WA is 1000 dollars). it may be an unpopular view but i would love to see a clone of the WA surface from somewhere. Link to post Share on other sites
Inq Eisenhorn Posted July 5, 2008 Report Share Posted July 5, 2008 I was of the same opinion regarding classics and hoses, etc.....I made a bit of a tool of myself to be honest. Don't do what I did, and judge without trying....get out there and see if you can try out someones kit, then decide if its good or bad....you might, like me, be positively surprised. To be fair though, the WA is too expensive to go replcing parts straight out of the box.....I have no intention of swapping bodies etc, until the original breaks. I think its odd to spend in excess of 500GBP on something, and then swap out something like 80% of the gun(might be an exaggeration ), I wouldn't buy the Inokatsu body kit for two reasons, one I've already mentioned, the other is the fact that Inokatsu are bringing out their own CO2 rifles shortly, for about the same price as quoted above (around $1000). The store selling the mags for around 40GBP is Guys and Guns, but having said that, the most expensive I've seen outside of the UK is $104...which is about 50GBP....even this is better then Airsoft Armourys 84GBP!!!! However, saying that AA is the most expensive retailer for this rifle full stop....even Landwarrior has it listed for 50GBP cheaper! Food for thought hmm? Link to post Share on other sites
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