neros131 Posted July 15, 2008 Report Share Posted July 15, 2008 Tokyo Marui HK MP7A1 Introduction: I have recently started playing more CQB at my local field, CQB City in Stockton, California. I started out using my AK-74MN from Tokyo Marui, but found that too difficult to maneuver, and my Tokyo Marui 1911 is too underpowered to be a primary. This led me to a hunt for a “in-between” SMG, and I focused primarily upon P90’s and MP5’s from Tokyo Marui. The closed I came to making a decision, the more I wanted to be able to use the gun inside the kill house, which led me back towards Machine Pistols. The MP7 was then brought to my attention, and I started reading about it. One short transaction later at Airsoft Extreme, and I walked out with and MP7 and six MAG midcaps. The gun is packaged with the usual for TM, containing a cleaning rod, the manuals, and some bb’s, along with the gun. The entire package is very professional looking. Externals: My example is slightly sub-par as far as externals go. Airsoft Extreme uses a soldering iron to get rid of the trademarks. This lets them get the replicas through customs more easily. Personally, I would rather purchase my replicas through a local dealer, since the customer service experience is almost always superior when you are face to face. Also, I am impatient. I was initially worried that the fore-grip would be flimsy and sub-par, but it is rock solid, no give whatsoever. The retractable stock is also a design feat, being made of metal with a rubber pad. This deploys with a solid click, retracts with a solid clack, and has no wobble in between. The iron sights are another plus. There are standard pistol sights when they are flipped down, and well constructed rifle-style sights when they are flipped up. These make it extremely easy to acquire targets when the stock is in its fully deployed position, which is most of the time in my experience. The battery compartment is well hidden, but easily accessible. I was a little worried when I saw where it would be mounted, foreseeing some terrible wobble developing in just days. I was completely happy to find out the there is an incredibly robust closing mechanism, making sure that there will be no issues here in the future. It is a difficult to depress button, and when you slide the front end back on, you are greeted by a solid and audible closing procedure. Metal: Metal bits are present in the rails, the sights, the retractable stock, all the controls, and the flash hider/silencer extension. They are all TM’s standard metal, no visible pockmarks, but not the single best I have seen, either. They will stand up to use easily, but don’t expect them to match your real steal stuff. Performance: The next thing that I really wanted to find out was how well the gun would shoot completely stock. I loaded the included lowcap, filling it to the brim with all fifty rounds without and issue in their loading. Putting the magazine into the gun is a simple affair, and also is a nice and solid procedure. I quickly went ahead and fired some rounds on semi, and then switched to auto to burst a few more. The gun was firing low, of course, but consistently. A quick hop up adjustment fixed this issue, and the bb’s were flying straight and true in moments. The hop up is the regular design seen from TM, and is completely solid and rigid. It can actually be difficult to modify the hop up since its so stiff, unless you take the time to really fiddle with it. It will under no circumstances shift, holding its position easily. As far as accuracy goes, I can currently only offer my observations, though some accuracy charts will be edited into this review in a few hours. The gun fired from roughly sixty feet away can accurately hit a 4”x7” square with only a few flyers. Keep in mind, however, that this is an estimate made from a handheld position, and could very well be slightly better or slightly worse. The only cons that I noticed while shooting it were ones involved exclusively with my MAG magazines. They would occasionally miss feed, and would need a nice smack on the base to reseat it inside the magazine well. From other reviews and chronoing at the CQB game, the gun shoots a solid 245-250 stock. I do not see any issue with this, as it is plenty for CQB use. We are here to play airsoft, not to hurt people! The rate of fire is perfectly fine, clocking in slightly slower than a regular AEG. Skirmish Use: In my game at CQB City, I found the gun to be ideal. It was easily useable inside the buildings with the stock folded, and was transformed into a suitable longer range weapon with the stock deployed. I was the bane of many people inside the kill house, easily able to acquire a target and quickly engage. The midcaps have far more capacity than the pistols that are allowed in the kill house, so I was able to intimidate and move into rooms with ease, never having to worry about running low on ammunition. Outside, the gun does have issues with range. I would put the effective range against a standard sized man around 100 feet, making it a CQB only weapon. This is fine for Fort Ord or CQB City, but I would ever use this gun as a primary anywhere with ranges much longer than that. Potential buyers need to understand that this is a CQB weapon or a sidearm, not a battle rifle. You will not be making ridiculous 200 foot shots with a SMG like this. As long as this little weapon is kept inside its own habitat, it will outperform a lot of guns on a usability scale, but remove it and it will fall flat on its face. Conclusion: In conclusion, I would suggest this gun wholeheartedly, as long as you will be using it as a CQB weapon, or as a backup. When under 100 feet, I would use this gun before most others due to its size and weight, but outside that don’t count on it to work as well. This tiny SMG makes a perfect CQB primary or snipers backup weapon. Just don’t expect to snipe with it. I would give this gun a solid 85/100. It is an excellent skirmish piece, and nice to look at, but would really shine with some internal upgrades and some external polish. Keep in mind, if an average gun gets 50/100, then 85/100 is an excellent score! I would pick this gun in a second for CQB or secondary use. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ben3265 Posted July 19, 2008 Report Share Posted July 19, 2008 nice review, how many rounds can you get out of a battery in that? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Stormtrooper88 Posted July 19, 2008 Report Share Posted July 19, 2008 (edited) Not sure... But if your using it as a sidearm it will last you the day usually! Its not that bad just a shame that the batteries are unique and cost a hell of a lot considering capacaity etc. Thats because there TM i suppose. Quality comes at a price. I have this gun and i actually think its a brilliant gun i took down someone with a G36 with ease, And i think the range on it is brilliant although out of the box the Fps is a bit low so i usually aim for low armoured parts on the enemy so they can feel it and take there hits... its a fun nifty little gun though and i gotta tell you dont get the galaxy/well/Both elephants clones if you want one that will work and be reliable. I have heard of people buying 2 of the clones so they can dual weild and they both broke Lol.... Anyways, Nice review! Sam Edited July 19, 2008 by Stormtrooper88 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ben3265 Posted July 19, 2008 Report Share Posted July 19, 2008 Not sure... But if your using it as a sidearm it will last you the day usually! Its not that bad just a shame that the batteries are unique and cost a hell of a lot considering capacaity etc. Thats because there TM i suppose. Quality comes at a price. I have this gun and i actually think its a brilliant gun i took down someone with a G36 with ease, And i think the range on it is brilliant although out of the box the Fps is a bit low so i usually aim for low armoured parts on the enemy so they can feel it and take there hits... its a fun nifty little gun though and i gotta tell you dont get the galaxy/well/Both elephants clones if you want one that will work and be reliable. I have heard of people buying 2 of the clones so they can dual weild and they both broke Lol.... Anyways, Nice review! Sam lol, mmm..i might get one then to use as a sidearm, atleast it will get rid of the GBB so i wont have to keep refilling it Quote Link to post Share on other sites
neros131 Posted July 19, 2008 Author Report Share Posted July 19, 2008 nice review, how many rounds can you get out of a battery in that? As a sidearm, this would last you all day easily. The batteries have been getting between 500-700 shots with mine, so I would not worry about capacity. I bought two batteries and haven't run into any issues yet. Not sure... But if your using it as a sidearm it will last you the day usually! Its not that bad just a shame that the batteries are unique and cost a hell of a lot considering capacaity etc. Thats because there TM i suppose. Quality comes at a price. I have this gun and i actually think its a brilliant gun i took down someone with a G36 with ease, And i think the range on it is brilliant although out of the box the Fps is a bit low so i usually aim for low armoured parts on the enemy so they can feel it and take there hits... its a fun nifty little gun though and i gotta tell you dont get the galaxy/well/Both elephants clones if you want one that will work and be reliable. I have heard of people buying 2 of the clones so they can dual weild and they both broke Lol.... Anyways, Nice review! Sam My experience has been the same. The gun is as accurate as many AEGs even though it has a lower FPS, and can contend with them right out of the box. TM has really made a great little gun here, accurate and super compact! As I said in the review, keep the MP7 in its home field (CQB) and you wont run into a single problem! Aim for the bare parts on someone and you wont need to worry about them not calling their hits... If you are going to buy one, buy the TM. You can save some money buying clone versions, but once they are ruined it will have just been wasted money. I had two friends who bought the JG(?) version, and they wouldn't feed correctly, wouldn't shoot straight, and had a far lower FPS right out of the box. If you buy a MP7, buy TM. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
LordElpus Posted July 19, 2008 Report Share Posted July 19, 2008 As a sidearm, this would last you all day easily. The batteries have been getting between 500-700 shots with mine, so I would not worry about capacity. I bought two batteries and haven't run into any issues yet. My experience has been the same. The gun is as accurate as many AEGs even though it has a lower FPS, and can contend with them right out of the box. TM has really made a great little gun here, accurate and super compact! As I said in the review, keep the MP7 in its home field (CQB) and you wont run into a single problem! Aim for the bare parts on someone and you wont need to worry about them not calling their hits... If you are going to buy one, buy the TM. You can save some money buying clone versions, but once they are ruined it will have just been wasted money. I had two friends who bought the JG(?) version, and they wouldn't feed correctly, wouldn't shoot straight, and had a far lower FPS right out of the box. If you buy a MP7, buy TM. that will be the Well version then. Galaxy version has had some reasonable reviews and the FPS is about the same as the TM (finish is way nicer after holding one at site) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
neros131 Posted July 19, 2008 Author Report Share Posted July 19, 2008 that will be the Well version then. Galaxy version has had some reasonable reviews and the FPS is about the same as the TM (finish is way nicer after holding one at site) The biggest issue with the clones is the reliability. It might be fine out of the box, but use it a few times and they tend to fall apart in your hands. I still would trust TM to make a more reliable and consistent gun than any of the Chinese clones. They are catching up to TM and VFC, but they aren't there yet. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
tbsix Posted November 5, 2010 Report Share Posted November 5, 2010 I recently bought one of these 2nd hand and am having an issue. when i took off the orange flash hider and tried to attach the metal one that comes with it......it will not fit!! Anyone else have this problem with the metal flash hider?? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
GingaNinga Posted November 6, 2010 Report Share Posted November 6, 2010 I have owned 3 MP7. When I got my first MP7, I thought that it ran a little weak, only getting around 70 m/s. Even in doors I could see the BBs, and people were almost dodging them I sold it soon afterwards as I was new to airsoft and didn't want to ruin it with upgrading it by myself. A few months later a fellow local forum user was selling his. He had done every upgrade that could be done, and the gun was shooting at 86m/s. This was a huge improvement, and I used the MP7 almost exclusively for about 6 months. It is awesome with the Marui tracer unit and with the Marui tactical light and MP7 battery adapter. You get way more battery life and better trigger response from this set up as well. I eventually sold it to buy something else, but then bought a gas MP7. I hope you continue to enjoy it. Great pictures by the way Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mugur Posted November 12, 2010 Report Share Posted November 12, 2010 Very nice review, i also have one and it is around 75m/s. minor weakness: battery life Quote Link to post Share on other sites
stewpidbear Posted November 13, 2010 Report Share Posted November 13, 2010 Excellent gun out of the box, even better with some tweaks. Changed mine to run on a 7.4 lipo 850mah that fits into the existing battery compartment, often run it as my main gun at my local sight which is a mix of open woodland and cqb close buildings. Perhaps one of the most under rated aep's out here. The lipo usually lasts all day without me having to change it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mugur Posted November 17, 2010 Report Share Posted November 17, 2010 stewpidbear, can you point me in the right direction for that lipo you've bought? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
stewpidbear Posted November 17, 2010 Report Share Posted November 17, 2010 Sure mate http://www.xtreme-production.com/xtreme/index.php?page=shop.product_details&flypage=shop.flypage&product_id=169&category_id=5&manufacturer_id=0&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=31 xtreme LP2S850CX it's designed to go into a mini remote control helicopter. You will have to use something like micro deans to fit it all in. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mugur Posted November 17, 2010 Report Share Posted November 17, 2010 (edited) Thank you, i have some micro-deans, as i am a RC passionate as well. Can you tell me the approximate dimensions of that lipo please? Edited November 17, 2010 by mugur Quote Link to post Share on other sites
stewpidbear Posted November 18, 2010 Report Share Posted November 18, 2010 Manufacturer says 68x26x12.5mm Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mugur Posted November 18, 2010 Report Share Posted November 18, 2010 i have a marui clone, Well R7 i think is the one, so if it fited in your mp7 battery place, i suppose will have to fit in mine too. Thank you for your help. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Special K Posted November 25, 2010 Report Share Posted November 25, 2010 (edited) 320-330 FPS with .20g Two years later with all that Nineball and Laylax has to offer for this AEP, I still think it's one of my most user friendly guns, It's just fun. I need to upgrade to a better battery set up. Switching between two Battery's during a day gets annoying. Edited November 25, 2010 by Special K Quote Link to post Share on other sites
GingaNinga Posted November 27, 2010 Report Share Posted November 27, 2010 The Marui Pro Light works with the MP7 and gives it much better battery life. I use one with my electric USP pistol and it is a great addition and gives much more battery life than the standard battery. That said, the MP7 is one of the easiest batteries to change Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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