KWP Posted September 7, 2008 Report Share Posted September 7, 2008 Seems to work and eliminates a major issue of Airsoft ... cheating. The video explains everything, enjoy: Couple more: Link to post Share on other sites
chas Posted September 7, 2008 Report Share Posted September 7, 2008 I think this has already been posted and discussed. Very nice but it covers only a small area of the body and wont help when people are hit on arms, legs lower body, butt, the AEG itself, etc... Link to post Share on other sites
Inq Eisenhorn Posted September 7, 2008 Report Share Posted September 7, 2008 Ok, so what about rebound hits....richochetts (spelling?) Obviously this is something that a site would have to pay for. Why is it classed as a kill if your rifle runs out? Surely thats why we "reload" Link to post Share on other sites
KWP Posted September 7, 2008 Author Report Share Posted September 7, 2008 I think this has already been posted and discussed. Very nice but it covers only a small area of the body and wont help when people are hit on arms, legs lower body, butt, the AEG itself, etc... Head and Centre mass, same as the U.S. Military's MILES Laser system. Ok, so what about rebound hits....richochetts (spelling?) Obviously this is something that a site would have to pay for. Why is it classed as a kill if your rifle runs out? Surely thats why we "reload" Rebound and ricochets can just be as harmful as direct hits. Not sure, is an empty mag a kill? Thought the AEG stops firing once you're hit. Link to post Share on other sites
Rob15 Posted September 7, 2008 Report Share Posted September 7, 2008 We have something similar in the UK although it costs a lot less... ....its called honest players and sites that don't tollerate anyone who is silly enough to cheat. Link to post Share on other sites
RSM Posted September 7, 2008 Report Share Posted September 7, 2008 Seeing this in action it seems more suited to arena/paintball styles of play compared to standard skirmishing we see in the UK. Wouldn't stop me from trying it out for a laugh though. Link to post Share on other sites
Dark Angel Posted September 7, 2008 Report Share Posted September 7, 2008 We have something similar in the UK although it costs a lot less... ....its called honest players and sites that don't tollerate anyone who is silly enough to cheat. Agree complitly. Of course there's always someone who thinks he's imortal. And some times we don't feel the bbs if we are full packed. But is still the best choice yet. This system has very flaws: doesn't cover the all body, ruins the chance of using tactical military equipment like tactical vests and seems more like paintball style. Honesty is still the best choice, why try to cheat? We only play to have fun. If we die we go to the respawn area and get back in again. If there's a competition, it has referies so...why spend money on equipments that take the fun of airsoft. Airsoft should be known has a simulation of military battles with military alike equipment and weapons (the greatest thing of airsoft is the looks of reality). At least, that's my opinion. Link to post Share on other sites
Shriven Posted September 7, 2008 Report Share Posted September 7, 2008 You can see in the top video that a couple of guys use the system as an excuse to not take hits. A guy is having his elbow hosed down, but nothing flashes, so he keep shooting. Lame system, completely pointless, and takes away a key element of airsofting. Link to post Share on other sites
Sparty442 Posted September 7, 2008 Report Share Posted September 7, 2008 Ya, I would assume that would be a problem aswell, Because only major parts of the body hard tagged, the arms and legs aren't. and what if you are wearing geaR? Link to post Share on other sites
Azulsky Posted September 7, 2008 Report Share Posted September 7, 2008 So when i wear my plate carrier over this then what People who cheat are just asked to not come back. Link to post Share on other sites
masakarijoe Posted September 7, 2008 Report Share Posted September 7, 2008 this is the worst failure since the beginning of airsoft. this will actually add MORE cheating; "my sensor didnt beep, so sinc ei was hit in the hand it didnt count" i will never ever play with or around these. -Joe Link to post Share on other sites
Dock trinE Posted September 7, 2008 Report Share Posted September 7, 2008 I think if I was running a game I would buy just one of these and use it kinda as a dunce cap sorta thing. If youre caught cheating you have to take off whatever gear you have on and wear this. Link to post Share on other sites
MCXL Posted September 7, 2008 Report Share Posted September 7, 2008 I dunno, Ive allways thought that it was kinda lame that a hand/finger hit counted as a kill in airsoft. I mean changing the rules wouldnt work and I know that. But when a bb lands on my foot without much preciveable force, and im calling myself out. I am thinking "THATS STUPID" Yea, ok if it were a real bullet it would suck a lot, but I wouldnt die immedatly, and be un able to fire my gun. This system is obviously not designed for mil sim, or even large scale outdoor play. But at a smaller/indoor facility, I can see this being really fun. It don't have to be milsim to be fun. Link to post Share on other sites
Crimson Posted September 7, 2008 Report Share Posted September 7, 2008 OLD NEWS this was posted months ago Link to post Share on other sites
azn_tomato Posted September 7, 2008 Report Share Posted September 7, 2008 Ok, so i didn't bother to watch the videos, but what about twigs, branches, going prone, or any impact at all? Wouldn't that get you out? Link to post Share on other sites
fal Posted September 8, 2008 Report Share Posted September 8, 2008 This system is made for game torny and team/clan battle. Not primarily for milsim. The system also connects to computer and can monitor player/torney status in real time. So they can see how many players are still remaining in each party, workout status, scoring system etc. In Asia there are indoor and outdoor facility specificaly made for gaming torny/competition, where this can come in handy. It's like internet cafe, only except you actually run around with airsoft guns in real life, instead sitting in a chair with mouse in hand. This will prevent any argument over "zombie" issues, which will eliminate any time wasted for the occurance of the argument. Seeing that usually players pay per hours or per game, lesser argument means lesser wasted time, which is all about keeping customers happy. It doesn't cover the entire body mess, but that applies to everyone else playing the game. If your enemy keep shooting at you because he only got shot in the elbow, so you can. It's all about being "equal" status and setting up the system so that no one can argue about where you are being hit. You or your enemy doesn't have to wonder whether the subject actually got shot. Alarm goes off, you are dead. As simple as that and that applies to every players. You don't need witness or referees monitoring it. This system simply takes care of it. Also argueining that it doesn't cover up the entire body is a mute point. Some sites/torney have different rules for qualified shots. Some sites call it a shot if you get hit even on your weapon. Some sites call it a shot if you are only hit on upper body etc. It's only a matter of setting up the rule. Head and torso is generally counted as a confirmed shot. Keeping rules simpler helps organising torney/gaming competition. It seems it's fine for woodland also. They had competition/battle for woodland setting and it went successfuly. gunpower says primarily these will be targeted for gaming/torney sites and also will be available for individuals/domestic at cheaper costs. Link to post Share on other sites
toasty297 Posted September 8, 2008 Report Share Posted September 8, 2008 I remember seeing this months ago. It wouldn't work very well in most types of airsoft games played here in the UK, one reason is everyone likes to complain about new things. I agree with fal that this systems is quite equal, just cos one player doesn't get go out from a finger hit, nor do the other players. Everyone is on equal terms as a target. This also reminds me a lot of counter-strike type play, it's not quite mil-sim, more running and gunning. For a casual player of airsoft, I think this would be great. Link to post Share on other sites
masakarijoe Posted September 8, 2008 Report Share Posted September 8, 2008 I dunno, Ive allways thought that it was kinda lame that a hand/finger hit counted as a kill in airsoft. I mean changing the rules wouldnt work and I know that. But when a bb lands on my foot without much preciveable force, and im calling myself out. I am thinking "THATS STUPID" Yea, ok if it were a real bullet it would suck a lot, but I wouldnt die immedatly, and be un able to fire my gun. This system is obviously not designed for mil sim, or even large scale outdoor play. But at a smaller/indoor facility, I can see this being really fun. It don't have to be milsim to be fun. in reality, if you are shot... for the most part, you are out of the fight. even if it is in your hand. not always, but mostly. i mean, if you get your hand shot off, you arent holding that rifle anymore, thats for sure. -Joe Link to post Share on other sites
Brick Posted September 8, 2008 Report Share Posted September 8, 2008 First time I saw this systemit was being produced by Bioval, and that was over 4 years ago. Not adctually seen it in use in the intervening years Link to post Share on other sites
Magsz Posted September 8, 2008 Report Share Posted September 8, 2008 in reality, if you are shot... for the most part, you are out of the fight. even if it is in your hand. not always, but mostly. i mean, if you get your hand shot off, you arent holding that rifle anymore, thats for sure. -Joe Eh? Its still possible to fire one handed. There are plenty of brave soldiers out there that have fought through grave, near mortal wounds to come to the aid of their comrades. Having said that, i see both sides of the argument here. Getting shot in the toe or the tip of the finger and calling yourself out to some kills the entire play experience. To others its just accepting the fact that this is a game and a hit is a hit, call it no matter how "lame" it may be. My personal opinion on this system is that it really detracts from the immersion of the game. Its deathmatch versus concentrated objective based gameplay which is what i personally prefer. I cant stand the arcade mentality of paintball and speedball airsoft, its so...American. Instant gratification for everything. I need my kills NOW NOW NOW!!! Whats really odd is that my comment about American values is misplaced since it seems as though there's more interest in the instant gratification style of play in other countries lol. Link to post Share on other sites
masakarijoe Posted September 8, 2008 Report Share Posted September 8, 2008 yes, of course magz, but it is less commmon to fight when wounded as such. i too hate the speedball style... very much. my best day ever of airsoft was day 3 of op lion claws where i didnt even fire a shot! i was recon -Joe Link to post Share on other sites
Janno Posted September 8, 2008 Report Share Posted September 8, 2008 Whilst i appreciate the attraction of such a system, i've got to say that it detracts from the whole essence of airsoft. When i started playing, the thing that struck me as being most unique about airsoft was the "Honour-system:" It wasn't just a way of taking hits - it was a way of measuring the integrity of the players. If a player was identified as a frequent non-hit taker, he would be isolated by the other players, and would be unwelcome at the site (which would sometimes be "reinforced" through the intervention of the site staff). Because of the honour system, airsoft has developed in a way where only true sportsmen (and women) are welcome, and where cheats and liars are frowned upon and cast out. Bottom line: By introducing a system like this, you introduce a whole new generation of players who rely on an electronic sensor to replace their sense of honour and fair play. That's just not airsoft, and it encourages a weak mindset. Link to post Share on other sites
FireKnife Posted September 8, 2008 Report Share Posted September 8, 2008 Would try for a laugh but as others ave said can only really see this for tournament or special events. Maybe if we turned airsoft into a pay to view event on the side, have a covered stage like Robot Wars and small teams compete to win, then it may work but for a regualr site it is a waste of time. 'FireKnife' Link to post Share on other sites
creepingfear Posted September 8, 2008 Report Share Posted September 8, 2008 Seems like a good system and idea, albeit with a few flaws, but *fruitcage* hell people, new things have to start from somewhere so if there's anyone out there that think they can do better then *fruitcage* crack on....... Why do people have to be so damned negative when something new comes along? How on earth have we managed to evolve as a species with that attitude? Link to post Share on other sites
P.S.I. Posted September 8, 2008 Report Share Posted September 8, 2008 Why does someone keep bringing this stupid thing up every few months?? This is OLD NEWS. Link to post Share on other sites
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