chaplain Posted September 29, 2008 Report Share Posted September 29, 2008 hello, been lurking a long time on the forums and this is my first review so bear with me first comment on this thread: how can u make a good review if u almost cant post any pictures i just got my amp a few days ago: first impressions the box looks good and is sturdy everything is neetly packed and is held in place well to my surprise when opening the box i found a scope ( why the surprise because i heard they were going to deliver without the scope) the scope really looks descent but is huge (for me atleast, im not used to handle stuff that big ) what are the contents of the box bolt, scope, scope mount, 2 mags, replica and to my surprise no manual. thats whats in the box when taking out the replica, i decided to closely inspect it for faults and damages especially the seemes are noticable a lot ( but notting sandpaper cant handle) and there where some scratches on the body) all the other stuff was in great condition. what was noticable was that after using the olt a couple of times u could see the paint had worn off at some places, the bolt movement really isnt smooth ( ill grease it later) here u see the line the bolt has made when going over the magazine Quote Link to post Share on other sites
chaplain Posted September 29, 2008 Author Report Share Posted September 29, 2008 (edited) other then that the details are really great and it really looks kickass then i did the fps test, outta the box she shoots ( on a beautifull summer/autum day) so i went looking for the pcs and i found it in the mag after some fruitless attempts to turn it deeper, i decided to take the mag appart. taking it appart is really simple and easy although, the quality checks at the factory have failed on this mag 2 screws are missing - there should be 4 of them Edited September 29, 2008 by Pablo Quote Link to post Share on other sites
chaplain Posted September 29, 2008 Author Report Share Posted September 29, 2008 so i decided to take the rest of the mag appart when dissassembling the last part of the mag, the o-ring appeared to be broken what i found really weird was the flashhider, u cant take it off but with a extra piece of barrel to screw on u cant really attach anything( thinking about a silencer here) back to the performance i havent been able to do a lot of testing because i live in an appartment ( neighbours would freak if i would walk aroound withthat thing outside) but ill test it to the max this weekend pro's -scope - looks nice and tough - shoot really hard outta the box - is heavy and compact in comparisson to the other snipers ( i have owned an aics and a m24) - that u can adjust almost everything on this replica - reserve magazine carried on the replica con's -need to put a lot off pressure on the trigger before the replica fires ( going to see if i can mod that) -expensive -room for improvement on details -room for in box protection improvement -the flashhider detachment ( not being able to put a silencer on ) -and in my case a faulty magazine if u have any questions about the amp dsr-1 dont be afraid to ask them. and ill try and answer them to the best of me knowledge. greetings chaplain Airsoft Gent ( belgium) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Pureownage Posted September 29, 2008 Report Share Posted September 29, 2008 (edited) Looking forward to see how it performs in a skirmish. Edited September 29, 2008 by Pureownage Quote Link to post Share on other sites
uscmCorps Posted September 29, 2008 Report Share Posted September 29, 2008 Nice review! I got mine last week. Haven't had a chance to shoot it yet. Talking to my various contacts in HK's airsoft industry, I discovered some very interesting details: "AMP" is an alias for STAR. STAR created a fake company name solely to try and get around the Ares copyright issue. Ares found out about the replica and opened talks with "AMP". AMP/STAR has been having trouble securing the rights to the DSR-1 because STAR only wanted to do 1000 units and Ares wants them to do more than that because Ares gets a small cut of every rifle sold. So even though STAR (AMP) have been saying they've got the copyright to license it, that was actually a premature statement, and in the end... may not have it (as further evidenced by the fact that none of the first batch have the real markings). Also, the likely reason why Gunner was saying that they won't increase the price on pre-buyers is because the licensing deal may fall through which means that the price increase won't actually happen. The "improvements" they talked about were always planned from the start and were meant to be part of the actual price everyone initially agreed to. Also, there is a difference in price between the package with and without the Leupold replica scope. STAR bought up a lot of the scopes for cheap (US$33 each) in Mainland China and offered it to the wholesale buyers and retailers as part of the package deal for an additional US$39 on top of the rifle's price. It appears that Redwolf has changed their website's listing to indicate that their DSR-1s also come with the scope (well... it doesn't say that they don't come with the scope... which they used to). It looks like almost all of the retailers went with this option. The replica Leupold is ok, but not the greatest (probably decent enough for airsoft use). Still, for the price, I think it was well worth it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
loki7491 Posted September 29, 2008 Report Share Posted September 29, 2008 that is a sexy looking beast - what was the damage to the wallet? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Fighting Maus Posted September 29, 2008 Report Share Posted September 29, 2008 usmcCorps- Since the manual PDF circulating about clears says Star on, I am guessing it is safe to say they are the manufacturers? Or is ARES the original manufacturer and Star made the manual? Correct me if I am incorrect. I am wondering if spare/replacement parts will be easy to come by. Since it uses the same gas system (at least it would seem) as the Star AWP 338 rifle, might there be some part interchangability? I guess that we DSR-1 owners hopefully wont need to be replacing anything on them soon, as this may or may not be a limited production run. I have not recieved my rifle yet, but it has made it stateside so I am confident Ill have it either today or tomorrow. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
elrey Posted September 29, 2008 Report Share Posted September 29, 2008 How odd, just looking at the finish in some of those photos I thought "it looks like Star made this thing." So there you go. Thanks for the info, uscmcorps. especially the seemes are noticable a lot Oh *suitcase*, Snowman's going to have a fit! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
uscmCorps Posted September 29, 2008 Report Share Posted September 29, 2008 usmcCorps- Since the manual PDF circulating about clears says Star on, I am guessing it is safe to say they are the manufacturers? Or is ARES the original manufacturer and Star made the manual? Correct me if I am incorrect. I am wondering if spare/replacement parts will be easy to come by. Since it uses the same gas system (at least it would seem) as the Star AWP 338 rifle, might there be some part interchangability? ARES is the real steel manufacturer. As far as I'm aware, the only involvement AREAS has had in this product is either (1) they found out about it and wanted a financial slice of the pie, or (2) STAR (using AMP as a fake alias) approached ARES to see if it were possible to get official licensing for the product. STAR created the fake company name, AMP, as they hoped that would insulate them from any possible legal issues. However, all of AMP's products are sold to the wholesalers through STAR, so they're not trying very hard to hide the original source of the products. I have yet to confirm it myself, but if the DSR-1 is indeed a Star AW-338 Sniper Rifle dressed up to look like the DSR-1, then the likelihood of parts interchangeability is high. How is the Star AW-338 Sniper Rifle ? Is it a decent rifle? How odd, just looking at the finish in some of those photos I thought "it looks like Star made this thing." So there you go. Thanks for the info, uscmcorps. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Fighting Maus Posted September 29, 2008 Report Share Posted September 29, 2008 How is the Star AW-338 Sniper Rifle ? Is it a decent rifle? I do not own one of the Star AW-338 rifles. The DSR-1 is my first foray into gas sniper rifles, so I am expecting good things from it for the price I paid. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DarkLite Posted September 29, 2008 Report Share Posted September 29, 2008 STAR AW338 wise, I've heard 50-50 with regards to it's quality. Probably not what you want to hear, sorry. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
hessu75 Posted September 30, 2008 Report Share Posted September 30, 2008 Mine came yesterday and haven´t testfired it yet either, but the bolt is very tight fit. Also, my bolt was bone dry and I had to lube it with good amount of lithium grease. The loading nozzle also scrapes the hop chamber and makes some paint/ metal powder shavings to the nozzles front. This will krap out the inner barrel for sure, when fired the first times. The bolt is simple and ingenious work, compared to Tanaka bolt. No light striking occurs and the gasflow valve is situated vertically. This is good in my opinion. I checked the mags and mine are assembled with all screws and O-rings are intact. One of the bipod legs were jammed inside the outer tube. Had to pry it out with pliers carefully. Luckily no marks came from this to the bipod. The scope is sexy and I like the feel when taking good firing stance with this rifle. The rear monopod works just the way it should. Coming weekend I will testfire this beast with GG/ propane, and will try out redgas too. First DSR in Finland??? Cheers -Hessu- Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Law Warrior Posted September 30, 2008 Report Share Posted September 30, 2008 UscmCorps, I think you did a little mistake ==> http://www.amp-ts.com/ AMP is the RS rifle manufacturer. ARES is an airsoft company, who announced, appart from the DSR-1, two other rifle (the AMP Cheytac and the PGM Hecate if I remember well) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
uscmCorps Posted September 30, 2008 Report Share Posted September 30, 2008 Yeah, sorry about that. I reversed the company names. Orca pointed it out to me about an hour ago, and when I did some checking I realized I made the silly mistake. Ares is the fake company that STAR created to cover their legal asses, and AMP is the real steel company that makes the real deal rifles. It's AMP that STAR/ARES was trying to get the copyright contract from. Sorry about the switcheroo there guys. Somehow my brain swapped the two names and it just got stuck in there like that. Here's how the information I shared should have read: ____________________________ "ARES" is an alias for STAR. STAR created a fake company name solely to try and get around the AMP copyright issue. AMP found out about the replica and opened talks with "ARES". ARES/STAR has been having trouble securing the rights to the DSR-1 because STAR only wanted to do 1000 units and AMP wants them to do more than that because AMP gets a small cut of every rifle sold. So even though STAR (ARES) have been saying they've got the copyright to license it, that was actually a premature statement, and in the end... may not have it (as further evidenced by the fact that none of the first batch have the real markings). Also, the likely reason why Gunner was saying that they won't increase the price on pre-buyers is because the licensing deal may fall through which means that the price increase won't actually happen. The "improvements" they talked about were always planned from the start and were meant to be part of the actual price everyone initially agreed to. AMP is the real steel manufacturer. As far as I'm aware, the only involvement AMP has had in this product is either (1) they found out about it and wanted a financial slice of the pie, or (2) STAR (using ARES as a fake alias) approached AMP to see if it were possible to get official licensing for the product. STAR created the fake company name, ARES, as they hoped that would insulate them from any possible legal issues. However, all of ARES's products are sold to the wholesalers through STAR, so they're not trying very hard to hide the original source of the products. I have yet to confirm it myself, but if the DSR-1 is indeed a Star AW-338 Sniper Rifle dressed up to look like the DSR-1, then the likelihood of parts interchangeability is high. ____________________________ Sorry for any confusion! In other news, I decided to take a closer look at my DSR-1 again tonight. First thing I noticed was that the rubber butt pad wasn't secrued at all and one screw wasn't bolted down allowing the rubber pad swivel 360 degrees! Yikes. The fix was simple as the rubber but pad was easily removed (I originally thought it might be glued down but it was actually clamped on there very nicely), and that gave me access to the screws to secure them properly. The next thing I noticed was the seam line along the center of the pistol grip. The only area that bothers me is where my thumbs first knuckle (the thumb knuckle that's closest to the center of the hand) rubs against it. I'll have to file/sand those down. That part's not too bad though. The racking action is nice, but could use a little grease. Trigger's a little heavy... will take a little getting used to, but not too bad either. The outer barrel isn't fluted... not too distracting especially if you didn't know it was supposed to be. Things I love: how highly adjustable the whole setup is. Overall it's a very solid rifle. Looks bad *albatross*. The quick retractable extended bipod legs are a nice touch. I do wish that they made it clear how to install the bolt which comes uninstalled with the gun (perhaps to show the customs officer that it is indeed a toy. I stumbled upon the installation method when I removed the stock and realized I could just slide the bolt right in. Removing the stock is easy, simply open the lever that allows you to adjust the stock length and extend the stock until it pulls right out. Slide the bolt in, then slide the stock back on and you're done! To see how the entire gun breaks down and an exploded diagram of the gun, head over to newqrf.com, Ares > Gas Gun > AMP DSR-1 > Download Catalogue (PDF) Or just save the above link's target file. I have yet to shoot the rifle, but my initial reaction is that for the money, it's worth it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Trasher Posted September 30, 2008 Report Share Posted September 30, 2008 Thanks guys for the short reviews, but where is the proof of the puding?? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dentonboy Posted September 30, 2008 Report Share Posted September 30, 2008 I love puding. Not as much as pudding though... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Trasher Posted September 30, 2008 Report Share Posted September 30, 2008 Oh, we have a spelling nazi here... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
echo_three Posted September 30, 2008 Report Share Posted September 30, 2008 Just wondering, and sorry if i missed it, but what gas were you using to get that FPS? and have you tried anything else gas wise? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bitchtits Posted September 30, 2008 Report Share Posted September 30, 2008 The thing that puts me of most is the rummours that star have stopped making the aw338,which would leave that and this gun without any upgrade/replacement parts should something breakl. I dont want to spend so much on a display gun should that happen,as ive already come across this problem with a custom rifle. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Catman Posted September 30, 2008 Report Share Posted September 30, 2008 Nice review, looking forward to reports of field testing, what this thing is like on accuracy, range and consistency through an entire mag. I nearly bought one of these but then I remembered in time that I'm useless as a sniper Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kimkafwan Posted September 30, 2008 Report Share Posted September 30, 2008 Nice review, looking forward to reports of field testing, what this thing is like on accuracy, range and consistency through an entire mag. I nearly bought one of these but then I remembered in time that I'm useless as a sniper Accuracy/range I'm not a "true" sniper, closer to markman, but it's pretty good for me even stock and 0.20 bbs (superking bio) at ~30meters At ~50meters 0.30 bbs (straight) give pretty good results imo. I'll upgrade mine with a pdi 6.05 inner barrel and madbull hop-up rubber tomorrow. Consistency I used cybergun winter and green gas. There is only difference at the end of the mag if i shoot fastly. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
uscmCorps Posted September 30, 2008 Report Share Posted September 30, 2008 (edited) I'll upgrade mine with a pdi 6.05 inner barrel and madbull hop-up rubber tomorrow. What's the maximum length inner barrel it can accomodate? What kind of inner barrel does it use? Something specific to the STAR Sniper Rifles? From the sounds of what you're describing, this rifle can use a AEG type barrels and rubber??? Are STAR sniper rifles generally safe to use with green gas? And how do you adjust the hop-up? Edited September 30, 2008 by uscmCorps Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Fighting Maus Posted September 30, 2008 Report Share Posted September 30, 2008 (edited) Well, I recieved my DSR-1 this afternoon. I am impressed with the build quality, but the performance leaves much to be desired. I tested mine in the basement with .20 and my Speeder 2000 chrono. The best reading I got was 417fps. Most readings were in the high 290s which is pretty crappy. I tried both magazines, and also tried both propane and green gas (I know, nearly the same thing). Both were epic failures. As this is my first gas sniper rifle, I am at a lose as to what to do to increase performance. I lubed the bolt, checked the nozzle. Everything seems fine. I didnt see anything "jump" out at me. The "pcs" on the mags has the spacer washer in place, so none of the airflow is restricted. I didnt find any broken Orings on the magazines themselves. I dont have the proper tools to remove the valves so I didnt try. This weekend Ill be trying again with a different chrono, as mine you have to shoot through a nozzle to get the reading. If the weapon isnt properly aligned this can give poor results, but I tried several different methods and none were able to record a high reading. Thus I am slightly disgruntled. Edited September 30, 2008 by Fighting Maus Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kimkafwan Posted October 1, 2008 Report Share Posted October 1, 2008 What's the maximum length inner barrel it can accomodate? What kind of inner barrel does it use? Something specific to the STAR Sniper Rifles? From the sounds of what you're describing, this rifle can use a AEG type barrels and rubber??? Are STAR sniper rifles generally safe to use with green gas? And how do you adjust the hop-up? Stock inner barrel length: 590mm, aeg type. Mine is 650mm and i'll hide it with a silencer. Here a pdf: http://newqrf.com/pdf/AMP-CAT.pdf Do you see "amp-019" screw? this is how we modify hop-up. French pre-review with pics: http://www.france-airsoft.fr/forum/index.p...howtopic=102144 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Trasher Posted October 2, 2008 Report Share Posted October 2, 2008 Great pre-review! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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